Quiz Night

The weirded out Priest, Chaplin's Restaurant next to the church, Ocean Club, and how and where did they conceal a body if that is what happened?

Quiz Night

Postby Stevo » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:41 pm

The Mirror Forums were largely undecided on whether the McCanns visited Chaplin's or not. Does anyone know for sure?
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Postby RENATA » Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:21 am

Like everything else in this case no-one knows anything for sure.
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Postby Tony Bennett » Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:39 am

I have seen at least two reports suggesting that the McCanns went to Chaplins Restaurant and Bar on the evening of Wednesday 2 May.

Chaplins has been described as around half a mile (800 metres) away from the Ocean Club apartments. About 8 to 10 minutes' walk.

Up until now, I had thought that the night Mrs Pamela Fenn, the 81-year-old widow, heard Madeleine crying: 'Daddy, Daddy', was Tuesday 1 May.

But the SKY TV programme on Christmas Eve, repeated on Christmas Day, was emphatic in stating that Mrs Fenn heard Madeleine on Wednesday 2 May.

Furthermore, they explicitly said that Madeleine was heard sobbing for 2 whole hours.

I do not think SKY TV would have run with that commentary unless they had solid evidence that Mrs Fenn heard Madeleine for two hours on Wednesday 2 May.

In a sense, it does not really matter whether the McCanns were at Chaplins or in the Tapas bar that night.

To my mind the SKY TV report, though, does point us very much to the night of 2nd/3rd May as the event that triggered, one way or another, the death of Madeleine

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Postby RENATA » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:27 am

Dear Mr Bennett, in my opinion the Sky program was not "emphatic" about anything pertaining to May 2. Sorry but your use of the adjectives <b>"emphataic"</b> and <b>"explicitly"</b> misleads readers. Can I suggest that most people who watched the Sky program would not agree with the assertion i.e. Martin Brunt put any significance to the night of May 2.

If anyone wishes to see the brief part of the program Mr Bennett refers to, you can click on link below and make your own mind up. The subject merits a total of 21 words throughout the entire program.

Martin Brunt says a neighbour heard Madeleine cry for her parents on a previous night not the previous night. An important distinction?? and they did not mention Mrs Fenn by name, though, granted its fair to assume Mrs Fenn was that neighbour. At no time is the date of this event mentioned in the program. The inference to me re this piece of commentary was to cast doubt on the McCanns claims they regularly checked on their children when out in the evenings. I do think they and their holiday companions did probably lie about this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHreJlcmBns
see about 05.40 into the segment

I do not usually take the trouble to contradict fellow poster's but Mr Bennett has placed himself in the public eye by attempting to bring a prosecution against the McCanns. He also previously tried to bring a case against Michael Barrymore and wrote a book on the subject therefore I'd assume he endeavours to report the facts based on careful research,and reliable sources. I am not attacking his right to instigate these actions ,but I do take issue with innacurate and misleading statements.

I would however agree with his last comment. Lets hope Madeleine's fate is not in vain and parents take heed and do not neglect their children as the McCanns undoubtedly did.
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Postby Daisy » Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:10 am

Hello Stevo,

I hope your "invitation" to join this forum was real. Anyhow,here I am.

In my opinion, whether the parents went to Chaplin's or not doesn't really matter now. If the reports about Maddie crying for 2 hours are true, that shows that neither the parents nor any of the other members of the group actually checked on the children every 30 minutes, as they allegedly claim to have done every night.

In my opinion, a lot rests on the "Last Photo", which I believe to be real and not a fake, and, if I remember correctly, in the last few days someone has established that it was in fact taken on May 3 (I might be wrong here, so correct me please if this is still in doubt). Also, Maddie appears to be Maddie and there is no more question as to the length of her hair compared to the Christmas photos and whether it is a different girl or not (or am I mistaken?). If all this correct, she was still alive on May 3 some time around midday (shadows on that photo indicate sun is high).
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Postby Sad Git » Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:00 am

Apparently secrecy restrictions on this case are finally due to expire on January 3rd!

From the "Torygraph":-

<b>"The McCanns are due to find out the details of the case against them on Jan 3, eight months after Madeleine's disappearance"

"This would allow them to speak publicly about the case to boost the worldwide hunt for her." </b>

WTF? We're all going to need ear-muffs if they speak out any louder then they already have been doing!

<b>However, "It is widely believed that the public prosecutor will apply for a 3 month extension."

"They may have to wait a further six months before they discover why they were made suspects in their daughter's disappearance, it was claimed last night."</b>

Claimed by who?

<b>Meanwhile, "Detectives employed by the McCanns are keen to trace a barman who left the resort before Madeleine vanished."

"Known as 'DJ Shifty', Christian Ridout, 32, worked at the Plough and Harrow pub owned by his parents, which is 200 yards from where Madeleine vanished. He lived next door to the first suspect in the case, Robert Murat."</b>

DJ Shifty? He sounds VERY suspicious to me. I bet it was 'im wot did it!
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Postby RENATA » Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:10 am

Just watched a brief comment from Mrs Fenn shown on Portugese TV where clearly this elderly lady was fed up with the press intrusion. A camera crew cornered her near the entrance to her apartment. Though rattled and desparate to get away, she categorically stated on camera that she had never talked to a journalist and rubbished the claims that she had done.
She states "<b>I'VE NEVER SPOKEN TO A JOURNALIST", "IVE NEVER EVEN </b> <b>UTTERED A WORD" "ITS ALL RUBBISH". </b> I believe this piece went out on a Portugese newscast on or around 21 August though can't be sure. But Mrs Fenn does intimate it's 3 months after Madeleine went missing. Anyone out there have any credible evidence that this lady or her neice have since spoken with police or media. Anyone know when the first reports about Madeleine crying for 2 hours first appeared?? If Mrs Fenn has been interviewed as a witness by the JP,presumably she would now be gagged under their secrecy laws. This might account for Martin Brunt referring to her as a neighbour. God, hasn't this case grown?? zzzzzzzzzz Arms, legs, feet, big toes, heads, tails, claws, tendrils, antenna. Did Gerry slope off to Dallas during his American trip?- maybe they should dig up the the grassy knoll- yep that'll be where that tennis bag is - defo [}:)] [:)]
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Postby bugalugs1970 » Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:23 pm

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if my memory serves me correctly it was reported in the third week of may
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Postby RENATA » Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:23 pm

Hi bugalugs
Thank you for above.[:)]
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Postby Stevo » Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:31 pm

I watched this video yesterday. You can find it on Joana Morais'Blog. She has the link on her front page on that site. Mrs Fenn said something about 3 months and not speaking to any of the press. On CBS Mrs Fenn didn't even open her front door and she uttered words to the effect she was fed up with it all.

I'm not putting much faith in stories that say she complained about Madeleine crying for hours on the night of May 2. However, it could be possible that she complained to Mark Warner's about the crying and someone at Mark Warner/Ocean Club told the press what Mrs Fenn said. To me this is a more logical reason for the story if Mrs Fenn is adamant she never spoke to anyone.
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Postby bugalugs1970 » Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:50 pm

stevo
i think your right not to put to much truth into the media reports regarding mrs fenn. I do believe that admist all the media coverage the truth has already been partially revealed. i dont believe the full facts will ever been clear but i do believe that it will be proven that madeleine died on the 2/5 due to some form of accident in her parents absence. This theory makes more sense than the one of that she died on the 3/5, it allows the mccanns time to compose, plan tactics and clean up, their claim of abduction on the 3/5 will have diverted anything happening before that time as questionable, from witnesses point of view anyway, it ties in with the evidence of the scent of death on clothes, i do not believe either of the mccanns to be completely deviod of emotion, i would suggest that kate held maddie for some hours after her death as any mother would more than likely do. my mother told me that in the mail today there is an article relating to cuddle cat again, i have always found it strange that kate would wash the cat, myself i would treasure its scent of my child, due to its being dirty. i found it hard to believe that the dna in the scenic was from maddies clothes being put in there during the move. if i had a number of clothes with the scent of my child on i would not just fling them into a boot of car i would treasure them as i would the toy.
i believe the mccanns will be convicted regardless of their high powered defence team, the pj secrecy laws i believe have in fact worked to full effect on this case, allowing just enough to slip out and put the mccanns under immense pressure whilst allowing them to dig theirselves in deeper.
i predict charges will be made extremly soon for not just gm and km but for ro, jt and possibly mo.
Christ i feel as though i need to get therapy this case has developed into a serious ocd for me.................. housework neglected, studying neglected oh my oh my[:D]
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Postby Dancing Girl » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:49 pm

I have not heard about this visit to Chaplin. I thought the McCanns only went to the Tapas Bar!!! Has this been confirmed yet by the staff in the restaurant. Surely it is easy to confirm or deny if someone was there or not!! So now we are saying the McCanns and their friends NOT only went to the Taps Bar each and every night of their holiday, leaving their children alone but went even FURTHER to another Bar/restaurant!! Can anyone confirm or deny this for me??
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Postby bugalugs1970 » Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:27 pm

dancing girl

there are many stories doing the rounds on this but i put faith in the following

on the 1/5 the mcccanns dined at the tapas bar, between 10.45 - 11.00pm madeleine was heard crying and calling for her father by a Mrs Fenn

on the 2/5 the mccanns dined at chaplins, about a 10 min walk from mw complex.

On the 3/5 they dined at the tapas bar again, this was the night madeleine was "abducted"

my belief is that madeleine was sedated on the 2/5 before the mccanns left for chaplins, on their return i believe they found her dead and so the story goes on from there.

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Postby Stevo » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:06 pm

Bugalugs1970 I think this scenario makes sense. Perhaps Madeleine cried for several nights - not just on the 1st. I think perhaps the crying on the 1st was the straw that broke the camel's back. Maybe sedation was the only way to deal with it in their minds. Either that or stay in and look after your children properly.

Or...considering it was a typical Latin culture where children are ALWAYS welcome wherever you go, they could have taken the kids with them on their nightly socialising.

This is what makes me bloody angry. Whenever I've taken holidays in Mediterranean Europe, I see children in bars and restaurants with their parents because it's the norm. I ask "why would you want to leave your kids anyway?" I see no good reason to do that at all. It is selfish above anything else. People like that do not deserve to have kids.
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Postby Stevo » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:12 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Dancing Girl</i>
<br />I have not heard about this visit to Chaplin. I thought the McCanns only went to the Tapas Bar!!! Has this been confirmed yet by the staff in the restaurant. Surely it is easy to confirm or deny if someone was there or not!! So now we are saying the McCanns and their friends NOT only went to the Taps Bar each and every night of their holiday, leaving their children alone but went even FURTHER to another Bar/restaurant!! Can anyone confirm or deny this for me??
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First of all, I do not believe there was a quiz night at the Tapas Bar. If you read the stories carefully there's really little evidence of one. We also know there was only 1 other couple (from Hertfordshire) in the Tapas that night with the T9. This is in conflict because the 2 sisters that came forward recently, also said they were in the Tapas Bar. What is happening is that more people are coming along with new tales but because they aren't connecting with each other it exposes the lies and if anything amplifies them.

Considering the McCanns supposedly arrived at the Tapas Bar at 8:35pm, there were too many people allegedly away from the table between that time and 10:00pm to properly have any kind of event - remember they also went there to eat. How could you eat, do a quiz AND go check on your kids every half hour. Clearly it is impossible. I think the quiz night idea came out of the advertised quiz night at Chaplin's.

We haven't heard anything from Ms Chekaya have we? She's the buxom aerobics instructor we heard about but we've nothing from her at all. I believe she's a vital witness and is keeping quiet because the PJ want her to. Mrs Fenn refuses to talk to anyone as does Murat. No wonder - they are all vital witnesses who will blow massive holes in the McCann's and T9 testimony.
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