Father Pacheco

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Father Pacheco

Postby Stevo » Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:12 pm

Father Pacheco is said to be the shell of the man he once was. Could he be the mysterious Egg-man? Ok, joking aside, were his troubles due to involvement in the disappearance or just because like Mrs Fenn, he's fed up of the story and the whole affair?
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Postby Matt. » Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:02 am

Hi Stevo.

Well...He certainly was involved with the McCann's.
But I don't think illegally so.

He was used as a dupe for the McCann's sudden Devoutness
as far as I can see.

I doubt if either "Confessed" to him...but as they had
to made sure that their Devoutness was seen to be ongoing
and regular...they had to "spend" lots of time at his Church
and due to that they would have spent a fair amount of time
in his company I think.

Always possible that a major McClanger may have been dropped
by one or the other during such times together.

I hope that Father Jose finds peace and solace soon.
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Postby Sad Git » Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:26 pm

Father P has removed all posters, etc of Madeleine from his church.

The Daily Express sensationalised this as "PRIEST BANS MADDY!"

Probably more likely that the story is winding down, which is why Express headlines are getting even more desperate.
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Postby Chloe Spain » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:31 pm

Although it doesn't quite tie in with my thinking on the case, I can't help wondering if someone else confessed to him. I can imagine it being a serious problem if he were to know that someone was actually guilty while the McCanns were being blamed.

As I think that the (the McCanns) were responsible for her disappearance, another possibility would be that she were alive (or even if she were dead) and they had told him where she was. He would still be bound by the secret of confession (if applicable) but, if he knew where to locate her, it would be very terrible not to be able to say so.
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Postby RENATA » Fri Dec 21, 2007 10:53 pm

I think the Priest's apparent poor state of mind is probably due to the reprimand he received from his superiors for allowing them the keys of the church. This would be exacerbated by the Police questioning he endured as to what he might or might not know. I doubt he knows anything of any evidentiary value.
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Postby bugalugs1970 » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:51 pm

i vaguely remember reading shortly after the mccanns were made offical suspects that the vatican had removed all reference to the mccanns from their official sites!!
i have also read reports that the mccanns were not infact devout catholics as claimed; their church connections were infact rather infrequent prior to madeleines disappearance and kate mccanns mother apparently expressed surprise at kate and gerrys sudden turn about towards the church and indeed to kates hasty call to the priest that married herself and gerry just a few hours after madelienes alleged abduction.
many things puzzle me about this case but the most predominant is the dialog supposedly used by gerry and more so kate mccann in the ealier hours of her disapearance. Whilst i understand that phraseology can be expansive in its self there are several phrase's reportedly said by the couple which just seem out of context and i cannot get that niggling out of my mind.
1, Gerry to Kates mother - 'theres been a disaster, theres been a disaster'
2, kate mccann 'their've taken her, their've taken her'
3, kate mccann to her mother 'shes gone mum, shes gone'

i also cannot get from my mind why kate only joined in the search for madeleine at 6am on the 4th of may. i understand that reactions vary but it surely would be an innate reaction to immediately search for your child.

on that note i would like to wish you all a happy new year
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Postby bugalugs1970 » Sun Jan 06, 2008 7:20 pm

THE BIBLE AND ITS CRUMPLED PAGE AND SCENT OF DEATH.........

Old testament in Samuel Book 2
Chapter 12 Verses 15-19

In short relates to the death of a child.........
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Postby purrfect_catlover » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:51 pm

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<br />THE BIBLE AND ITS CRUMPLED PAGE AND SCENT OF DEATH.........

Old testament in Samuel Book 2
Chapter 12 Verses 15-19

In short relates to the death of a child.........





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The JonBonet ramsay case has similar parallels with regard to religion being in the equation, even down to the fact a bible was left open to a certain passage.

I think the religious side of this is a pure smoke screen. Anyway who follows the catholic teaching would not leave their children on their own for 30/60 minutes at a time. Catholics believe family always comes first (so do other religions), but just pointing this out.

I think Kate used religion as another prop just like cuddle cat who I believe strongly belonged to her twin sister. I mean how could someone who is a devout catholic kill their daughter. I noted too actually that although she is supposed to be a devout catholic, her head was never covered in the church, nor her shoulders. Not even when she was in Rome. We were always taught to keep our head covered etc when visiting the house of god.

I think father Pacheco is angry as he feels somehow he was duped, perhaps something was said, that makes no sense to him now, and he is questioning the parents story of events at the time and perhaps he has been reminded that good catholics LOOK AFTER THEIR CHILDREN they do not leave them to be left on their own to go out drinking.

At the beginning of all this,he wouldnt have been aware of the real truth, but over time will have been told by others.

He probably now blames the McCanns for the child missing, doesnt mean he thinks they did it just that they neglected them.
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Postby bugalugs1970 » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:09 pm

purrfect catlover

i see your point totally
if in fact kate was a devout as she/friends/family claims (which she was not) she would not have had ivf let alone leave her children alone.

however i believe that on discovery of madeleine's body kate mccann held madeliene for several hours whilst reading the bible.
i myself am christian and admit with shame that i do not attend church regulary, but having said that i pray daily and at times of distress refer to my bible for guidence, comfort and direction.

I do think kates sudden increase in her faith after madeleine's alleged abduction indicates, imo, her genuine grief and remorse at the death of her daughter, perhaps a show for the media but i think not on this occasion.

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Postby purrfect_catlover » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:00 pm

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by bugalugs1970</i>
<br />purrfect catlover

i see your point totally
if in fact kate was a devout as she/friends/family claims (which she was not) she would not have had ivf let alone leave her children alone.

however i believe that on discovery of madeleine's body kate mccann held madeliene for several hours whilst reading the bible.
i myself am christian and admit with shame that i do not attend church regulary, but having said that i pray daily and at times of distress refer to my bible for guidence, comfort and direction.

I do think kates sudden increase in her faith after madeleine's alleged abduction indicates, imo, her genuine grief and remorse at the death of her daughter, perhaps a show for the media but i think not on this occasion.

"Anything i say is said because i care, i want the truth and justice for those that have suffered"
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So you feel she held her for a longish time, on what day?

Yes also i can see what you are saying as well. I would turn to my faith too even though I am not a devout catholic i do believe.

I cant get my head around an abduction and I dont buy all this business about dark shadows in the bushes. This apartment wasnt even in the complex it could have had the owner in it for all anyone knew.

I dont buy this professional kidnapper malarky, why take maddie IN A FLAT. Kidnappings are usually done ad hoc, not planned in this way. A child on a bike, a child going to the shops for sweets, a child playing in the park etc. Several kidnappings from the house have been done, but by someone who knew the family and the layout and the child.

No one would have risked walking up the stairs and going into the patio doors, there was too much risk of being seen, from the alley and from people walking up or down that particular road.

The only way i can see an abduction is through the front door, but people keep dismissing this. Why i dont know. To me it is the obvious way. Out of the front door straight into Number 5 with a bag, no one would notice.

JUSTICE FOR MADDIEx
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Postby bugalugs1970 » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:15 pm

purrfect catlover

imho madeleine died on the 2/5 and not the 3/5
having given this theory some serious thought and research.

There was no abduction, the stats are that the chances of madeleine having been abducted by a Paedophile that has the drive required (nepiophilia) to abduct a child of madeleines age are 1 in 25 million, given that gerry is a speciaist in cardiac issues i find it highly unlikely he would have a broad knowledge, if any, of what he initally suggested.

The pj would have been advised by leading specialists in this field ( i know they were Prof B, much respected) which would then lead them to the only other probable conclusion hence their suspect status.

Rest assured the fate madeleine suffered was not that at the hands of a paedophile.




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Postby bugalugs1970 » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:19 pm

in addition to my above post it should also be noted that kate mccann has on many occasions made it known that she believes that madeleine abductor took her for a subsitute daughter or to be sold in this manner.

Were these declarations a result of their research and subsequent acquired knowledge on the unlikley possibilty of sexual deviance being a motive???

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Postby Dancing Girl » Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:34 pm

I will never understand why Kate asked for a priest when she called her mother in England to tell her that Madeleine had been "abducted"!!I remember reading that their family priest (the one that married them and baptised their children) flew out to Portugual to be with Kate and Gerry. My first reaction would have been to want my mother to come immediately to Portugal, if possible. I am an Irish Catholic and can understand someone turning to their religion in a tragic situation but NOT IMMEDIATELY. I find the behaviour of Father Pacheco odd to the extreme and cannot believe his reaction is purely due to critcism from his superiors regarding giving the McCann's keys to the Church!!!.
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Postby bugalugs1970 » Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:20 pm

dancing girl

as a mother myself i can understand kate's urgency in contacting a priest. I do not understand why she took the actions she did prior to madeleine's death however but i do understand her post motives (some, i suspect gerry drives the media campaign).
Kates call to the priest was that of grief, the loss of a child by death pure and simple, as was her sudden return to her faith it was her way of coping and dealing with what had happened to madeleine.


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Postby Dancing Girl » Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:10 pm

Yes but my point is why IMMEDIATELY on the first phone call to her mother to request a priest is odd. I can understand the need to talk to a priest later but not on the first night a child goes missing. She had a local priest at the Resort and her family priest flew from Liverpool to Portugal within days of Madeleine going missing. I just thought it was peculiar during the first call informating her parents that their grandchild was "abducted" she asked for a priest!!!
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