The Facts versus the Fiction

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Kate Healy/McCann launched her book in the United Kingdom on May 12, 2011—4 years and 9 days after Madeleine McCann was reported missing. Simply called “madeleine“, the book is Kate’s account of the events of that fateful day in May 2007 with a potted history of the McCann family and the events of the 4 years since the alleged abduction.

Eagle eyed followers of the Madeleine case have no doubt been dissecting every sentence of the book in the search for yet more clues as to what happened to the tiny 3-year old tot.

Meanwhile, Faked Abduction by Steve Marsden is back on sale after a second edition has recently been printed in the USA.

So how do the two books fare in terms of unraveling the mystery of Madeleine McCann?

To answer this question, it is essential to understand that the Madeleine disappearance revolves around a set of important facts that have not been satisfactorily dealt with by the McCanns and their friends who accompanied them on the holiday to Portugal. The main body of reliable evidence consists of the 11,300+ page, Portuguese police file that was released in August 2008. Additional evidence was provided by the chief investigating officer—Gonçalo Amaral—through his own personal account in his book Maddie: A Verdade Da Mentira (The Truth of the Lie.)

These important facts are the focus of Faked Abduction and are also dealt with by Kate in madeleine. Some of these issues are:

  • Mrs Fenn hearing Madeleine crying for 75 minutes on May 1, 2007
  • The status of the patio doors
  • Madeleine’s whereabouts during the day on May 3, 2007
  • The Smith family (nine people) who saw a man looking like Gerry McCann shortly before 10pm on May 3, 2007
  • Jane Tanner’s sighting and the associated detail of that account
  • The Yvonne Martin encounter on May 4, 2007
  • The McCanns did not physically search for Madeleine on the night of May 3, 2007
  • The David Payne/Gerry McCann paedophile allegations from the Gaspars

Mrs Fenn

In Kate’s book she was quite disparaging towards Mrs Fenn. Not mentioning her by name, she described the elderly tenant of the flat above apartment 5A as a woman with a “plummy voice“. Kate also admitted that she and Fiona Payne abused Mrs Fenn because of her reaction to the reason for the commotion in apartment 5A on the night of May 3.

Considering that Mrs Fenn’s testimony blows a big hole in the McCanns’ insistence that they checked their children every half hour or less, there is little wonder that Kate was so demeaning in madeleine. The Mrs Fenn issue is dealt with simply in Faked Abduction—there is a full copy of Mrs Fenn’s witness statement to police.

The Patio Doors

Early stories from the McCanns claimed that they entered the apartment through the front door adjacent to the car park and opposite the poolside tapas bar. This alibi subsequently changed when observers noticed that this would have meant the McCann children were all locked inside apartment 5A and therefore would be at risk if a fire broke out inside the apartment. The change in alibi was that the McCanns switched to claiming that they entered the apartment through the patio doors.

This aspect is not without problems and it doesn’t seem to be logical. The patio doors only lock from inside the apartment. On page 45 of madeleine, Kate claims “after the first couple of days we barely used the front door, coming and going through the patio doors and up and down the steps.” Is Kate really suggesting that each time the family left the apartment they left it unlocked with all their possessions inside? Who goes on a holiday and leaves their room or apartment unlocked like that? It makes no sense and this change in the alibi seems to be another part of Kate’s revisionist history.

Madeleine’s Whereabouts on May 3, 2007

The author of Faked Abduction is unconvinced that Madeleine was alive and well all day on May 3, 2007 and there is no cast-iron evidence to prove otherwise. Three weeks after the disappearance, a photograph—the so-called Last Photo—appeared in a blaze of glory to prove that Madeleine was alive in the middle of the afternoon on May 3. However, Faked Abduction provides evidence that the Last Photo was probably faked. Interestingly, on page 65 of madeleine, Kate stated “Fiona told me she’d spotted Ella there but not Madeleine” in reference to Fiona seeing the children from the creche at a beach activity on May 3.

The Smith Sighting

The sighting of a man carrying a small girl through the streets of Praia da Luz just before 10pm on May 3 is an important sighting because it also blows a huge hole in the alibi of Gerry McCann. For newcomers to the Madeleine disappearance, the story goes like this: A family—Martin Smith and eight others—were leaving a bar in Praia da Luz and walking back to their apartment around 9:45pm. They encountered a man hurrying through the streets carrying a small girl and their reaction was that it was a man and his daughter. 4 months later when Martin Smith was watching television back home in Ireland, he noticed Gerry McCann disembarking the Easyjet plane at East Midlands Airport while he carried his sleeping son, Sean. The sight of McCann carrying his son in the exact same way he remembered the man carrying the girl in the streets of Praia da Luz jogged his memory to the extent that he realised the man in the streets was Gerald McCann. This bombshell evidence was kept quiet from the press back in 2007 and until Amaral’s book and the police files were released in 2008, this aspect of the case was publicly unknown.

Faked Abduction discussed the facts about the Smith Sighting whereas madeleine deals with this by claiming it to be another encounter with the same man allegedly seen by Jane Tanner. A casual reader of the case could interpret Kate’s version of the Smith Sighting as being a logical extension of the Tanner Sighting. The reality is that the Smith Sighting always was a sighting of Gerry carrying Madeleine and it is something never addressed by the McCanns.

Jane Tanner’s Sighting

The detail of Jane Tanner’s sighting has changed numerous times and is flawed because of its inconsistency. One detail that has emerged in the past 4 years is that Tanner and fellow holidaymaker Jeremy “Jes” Wilkins claim to have encountered Gerry McCann in the street outside apartment 5A on the same side of the pavement as the apartment. However, McCann claims this 3-way encounter happened on the other side of the street. In madeleine, Kate addresses this but fobs it off by saying “…exactly where they were standing is not crucial” (page 71).

The Yvonne Martin Encounter

On page 86 of madeleine, Kate describes an encounter with British social worker Yvonne Martin on the morning of May 4. Only, she doesn’t mention Ms Martin by name. Again, this is another vital issue in the case that has been dismissed by the McCanns. Ms Martin thought she recognised David Payne from another case back in England and both Payne and Kate Healy refused any assistance from Ms Martin despite her professional credentials in social work. Why did Kate Healy not wish to elaborate on why this helpful lady made her feel uncomfortable? More to the point, why did Kate claim to not know “who she is or what she was really trying to achieve?” Kate has read the police file and she will therefore know who Ms Martin is and why she tried to help. Why did David Payne try to usher this lady away from lending her assistance?

No Searching by the McCanns

It is a well established fact that the McCanns never searched for Madeleine on the night of May 3, 2007. Instead, a small army of fellow holidaymakers and locals were out looking for the missing tot. This aspect is covered in Faked Abduction but in madeleine, Kate is not exactly truthful when, on page 83 she writes “As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search.” The plain fact is that they never searched the previous night so how did they resume a search?

The Gaspar Allegations

On May 16, 2007 Savio and Katherina Gaspar were interviewed by British police in England in connection with concerns they had about Gerry McCann and David Payne. The Gaspars, Paynes and McCanns had all been on a previous holiday together on the Spanish island of Majorca in September 2005. What happened during that holiday caused the Gaspars to approach police with their concerns. Katherina told police when talking about David Payne:

I remember questioning whether looked at my children or the others in a different way. I imagined that he maybe visited Internet sites related to small children. I thought that he may be interested in child pornography on the Internet.

The Gaspar statements (included in Faked Abduction) are absent from madeleine. Perhaps not unsurprisingly, Kate did not want these allegations from their doctor friends, the Gaspars, to be revealed in her book.

Obtaining the Books

Buy madeleine from major bookstores in the UK and online from Amazon (here).

Buy Faked Abduction online from fakedabduction.com (here).

150 Responses to “The Facts versus the Fiction”

  1. 1
    I Don't Believe It Says:

    Some very telling discrepancies.

    I think the key one is the patio doors. One thing upper middle class professional types do not do is leave their apartment with all its possessions, including passports no doubt, inside unlocked.

    Does the author deal with Kate’s story of the slamming door? Someone else has claimed her story is false because one open window woudl not cause a through draught – that only happens where you have another opening or a chimney (and there was no chimney). I’ve been thinking about that today I believe that the contention of the critics is correct.

    Another I would add: Matthew Oldfield claimed to be able to see an infant’s breathing through the mesh of a cot in darkness, possibly under bedding (it was a cold night), while he was standing outside the bedroom – several feet away (it’s on film – the notorious “reconstruction” nonsense). This is not credible. And you have to ask why is such an incredible claim being made? Also I have often wondered what my reaction would have been in Kate and Gerry’s place if their story was true. If so, you then have to say that Matthew Oldfield is the last person to see her alive. Why were they not far more demanding of an explanation from him….surely you would want a very full account from him of what had happened, and you would want to check out his story.

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    Daina COUTO Says:

    DEAR READERS:

    Unfortunately, JNL sent a letter home stating the fact, although some contacts noted that as a matter of fact they do not want to accept (not sure why, but we respect …). And even JNL hope she is alive and hope for it, but in his view, there isn´t possibility.
    And he believes the police should focus on research and investigations there in Luz
    Because that’s where the answers to the solution of this barbaric crime is .
    Although it is a premonitory dream, the letters were sent before the fact to be realized.And I believe that Jucelino is correct with his premonitory dream. We cannot deny on spite of his letters before it happens..You can see picture of letters at this link:
    Unfortunately, JNL sent a letter home stating the fact, although some contacts noted that as a matter of fact they do not want to accept (not sure why, but we respect …). And even JNL hope she is alive and hope for it, but in his view, there
    possibility.
    And he believes the police should focus on research and investigations there LIGHT
    Because that’s where the answers to the solution of this barbaric crime.
    Although it is a premonitory dream, the letters were sent before the fact to be realized.

    Mario Ronco Filho.(journalist )
    http://www.jucelinodaluz.com.br/madeleine1.htm ( see at this link)

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    Liz Y Says:

    Having looked at the plan of the bedroom, Matthew Oldfield would have been in the doorway, with the door opening inwards to the right so he’d have seen madeleine first. Madeleine was in the first bed immediately to his left, then there were the cots, then the spare bed under the window. Also, I remember somewhere that Kate said she knew Madeleine had been taken because cuddle cat, was on a place too high for Madeleine to reach. There isn’t any such a place in the bedroom plan. There was just a chest of drawers a little higher than the mattress, and a chair by the window. Doesn’t make sense…….again!

    Site Admin: One archived article about Cuddle Cat being on a high shelf is here in this website (http://truthformadeleine.com/2007/09/the-maddy-file/).

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    I Don't Believe It Says:

    Liz Y –

    If I recall correctly, I think that is why some surmise that Matthew Oldfield had to change his story in the “reconstruction” programme the Tapas 9 did for TV. So in the programme we see him standing well away from the doorway, where presumably he couldn’t see Madeleine but he could see one of more of her siblings breathing in their cots! I haven’t got a link to that TV programme but I will see if I can find it.

    I am not sure I have ever seen a verified KMC quote about Cuddlecat being placed in a high place out of reach…with the McCanns very often we get stories coming through friends and relatives which of course offers perfect deniability.

    The thing with these stories and claims is that there is nearly always a reason behind them. An example: Madeleine had to become a placid child who never woke in her sleep to avoid the charge that she might have got up and wandered out by herself with no abductor. But then we found out there was a star chart at home where she was being rewarded for not getting up in teh middle of the night! (i.e. as with many toddlers of her age she was prone to get up in the middle of the night and seek the solace of her parents’ company).

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    Hi everyone.
    the more i read about this, and i have read loads, the thicker and thicker the plot gets, and from what i can see, does the MCcann family no favours at all.
    i have read many conspiracy theories on lots of different incidents, but this one must never end up as just a conspiracy theory, for people to muse over in years to come.
    i have read them all, and have secretly decypered most of them, going by the facts and clues given.
    but the maddie story is different.
    we are talking about a little innocent girl here. there are so many inconcistencies.
    i want maddie to be alive, but with everything i have read so far….i still fear the worst.
    it must never be another oswald, jfk thing, not another Elvis dead or a live thing, or another Paul Macartney dead or alive thing.
    this has got to have an answer to it.

    among the many things that bothers me about this.
    i reckon most mothers would say this to,
    what parent, or self respecting mother would happily go out, and leave their children all alone, especially in a foriegn country on holiday, irrespective if they usually trusted the resort or not.
    it dosent matter how close you might be eating, they are still alone.
    and whilst alone, anything can happen.
    they could get up, switch on a cooker or something, pull a hot kettle over themselves, or even get kidnapped and killed. these are suppose to be doctors. i mean who could trust a doctor who would do a thing like that.
    bottom line folks….YOU DO NOT GO OUT, AND LEAVE YOUR KIDS HOME ALONE, OR ANYWHERE ALONE.
    even i know that, and i’m only a mere bloke.
    most women i know, wouldn’t go anywhere too far from her kids, unless at least she had a baby sitter, else most women would entertain such a ludicrous notion.

    i am right arn’t i ladies?.

    just supposin (which would be nice!) that maddie was found alive an well, even after all these years, would she still be allowed to go back to her original parents again?.
    i have heard about lots of cases where children get taken away into care, because of parents doing the very same thing…so why are the rules different for maddie’s parents.
    is it because being doctors, they can knowingly work the system in their own favour.
    if that is so, isn’t that a tad unfair?.
    or am i just being a mere bloke here, and i dont really understand, or am i absolutely spot on.
    i dont have any kids, i wish i did, and even as a mere bloke, i would never ever leave my kids home alone, not even at home.
    these are the most precious pieces of cargo a human, or any living beast can have.
    could you really, (doctor or not!) put your kids at risk it such a crass way.
    isn’t this a case for neglect?, i am still surprised that they were allowed to keep the twins.
    am i the only one who see’s it this way?.
    you must forgive me, i am only a bloke.

    sorry i have to speak my mind.
    such people, should never be allowed to have children.
    there are lots of women whom would love to have kids, but cant, the sort of people whom would never let her kids down, and i bet there are a few of them now, whom are absolutely p###ed off with these parents.
    i’m no expert, but even i know that being a parent, means just that…you are there to protect them.
    in other words you dont go out leaving them all alone…do you?.
    once you are a mother, your days of clubbing it, drinking, staying out late with your friends, even going out eating and drinking with friends at tapas bars become very limited…you cant have it both ways…you are either a mother, or you are not….which is it?.

    one more thing.
    what about this 4th child!?.
    i have only read bits an pieces about this.
    if it is true, this has got to be looked into too….hasn’t it?.
    it would be rellevent…wouldn’t it?.
    this is very vague at best.
    obviously i am not looking in the right places.
    i want to read a full account of this especially.
    this so called 4th child could be the very key.
    please tell me where to look.

    you all should be congratulated…i love the way you lot are kicking over stones.
    i love the never say die attitude you all seem to have.
    it seems to me that the police are not going to get to the bottom of this, but i reckon with a team collective effort between us….we are.
    i hope they are reading this thurorely, because i bet that the real truth is here within our writings. keep searching you police, because the truth is defanately out there….or here.
    once again, thankyou for letting me join in.

    i only wish it was under better circumstances.
    a little girl is missing, perhaps dead, and that is all that should matter.
    however they get to the truth in the end…..who cares.

    would you do any less for your child.

    i would kill, to save my child. (if i had one!)

    take care
    Roy Exeter.

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    Rosemary Says:

    Roy

    This is best response I have seen yet – you really do have the angle on this dreadful occurrence. It is imperative that ‘someone’ (and who that is I really don’t know) gets to the bottom line. I have a daughter, grand-children and great-grandchildren and I too would kill to protect any of them.

    ‘Take care’ just about sums it up.

    Rosemary

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    Crucial points!

    First of all, please allow me to quote a line, which is something that Kate McCann says in her book…Madeliene.

    “EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE STANDING, IS NOT CRUCIAL!”

    What a stupid thing to say.
    A little girl is still missing….presumed dead.
    Of course it is crucial, everything about this is crucial, especially if they really want to see Maddie alive again. If she don’t know that, then she cant be a very good mother.
    Wouldn’t it be crucial to get her Daughter Maddie back?.

    I have been scrutinising the so called “Tapas Nine”

    Gerry…
    why would it be important to have a hair cut, and go for a jog, the very day after his daughter goes missing…surely compared to the latter, a hair cut and a jog would be trivial. Plus if not before the fact, surely now after the fact the hairdresser would know if he cut his hair or not…….he must have read all about it by now!.

    My point, why not go and look for Maddie instead?.
    And who would give a damn about their looks or fitness regime, if one’s daughter had only gone missing the night before.
    What doting Father would ever get these kind of priorities wrong?.

    Kate…
    Why not much emotion?.
    Haven’t seen many believable tears!, every mother that I know, wouldn’t be able to stop.
    They would be beside themselves…horrified.

    Why would a child be crying for 18 hours a day…bit excessive wouldn’t you say, unless the child was a teething baby, was Maddie still teething at 4?.

    Dr David Payne…(Egg-Head!!!!!!!)
    A Surgeon would know how to dismember a body!.
    How does he know for certain, that “THEY DIDN’T DO IT!”?.

    Didn’t do what?…….what is this “IT”?.
    What is he alluding to?.
    Is this just a bad choice of words?.

    He also is reported to have said
    “ONE OF OUR PARTY, SAW MADDIE BEING ABDUCTED!”
    How would that party member just had assumed right then that an abduction was in progress?.
    And if that is the case, fearing for the child’s safety, why didn’t that person intervene, thus stopping any abduction from taking place?.
    Most people I know, would have done just that, especially where a child is concerned!.
    That is normal, human nature!.
    And is this saying that that person, ignored this so called incident and walked away?
    That is weird.

    Was this child crying whilst being carried?.

    The word abduction was used, so wouldn’t one assume that a crime was being carried out?, so thinking this, wouldn‘t any right minded person raise the alarm?.
    No mother especially, would just walk away, no matter if the child was one of their’s or not.

    Even as a concerned bystander, wouldn’t you question that right away, especially if you knew it to be a child?.

    Why didn’t Kate use a baby monitor?.
    Fiona Payne used one.
    As Friends, you would have thought they would have all followed suite!.

    Dianne Webster. 1-9=8.
    Apparently she stayed at the Tapas Bar, whilst everyone else, ran back to the compartment!.
    Would everyone, mean……the other 8!?.
    If this is so,
    Would Jane Tanner be one of the 8.?.

    Didn’t she dine with them all?.
    If this is so, how could she had seen the abductor, if she was with everyone else?,
    and if that was the case, then every one else would have seen him, or her, surely.

    8 against one lone abductor…there would be no contest.

    So, did she leave the table, witness the abduction, then go back, without saying anything, then run back to the apartment with everyone else?.
    And only then, say something!!.

    She described an Egg-head shaped person, in the dark…Murat’s head is not Egg-Shaped,
    But David Payne’s head looks slightly that way?….see photo!!!.

    Christ, she must have had a good look to be able to tell this, from 5 meters away, in the dark, perhaps long enough to even be able to save Maddie from being carried away, or at least raise the alarm, and if she was that close, she would probably have been able to see the front of the mans face,
    but oops!!!!!,
    didn’t she say she saw him from the back?.

    Dr Russell O’Brien..
    Why would he lie, about asking the house keeping, to change the bed linen!!!?.
    One faction is lying here.
    If this is a conspiracy, exactly what would be O’Brien’s part be in this?.

    Dr Mathew Oldfield…
    He apparently checked on the McCann children 9.30pm, but he didn’t look to see if Maddie was in bed.
    If he didn’t see Maddie, how could he have been the last person to check on Maddie,

    He didn’t see her!!!!.

    She had been crying for a long time, would she have suddenly stopped conveniently at that time, and if she was crying, surely he would have noticed her then, then presumably gone back and told the parents that Maddie was crying…..again!.

    Perhaps, Maddie wasn’t there at 9.30pm!.
    Perhaps she was gone, before 9.30pm!

    What time did Jane Tanner say that she saw Maddie’s abductor!!!!!!!?

    I am sure it was later then 9.30pm, (unless I have read something wrong!)

    I have scrutinised the Patio doors part, which I am sure you all have.
    Why would they change their story, from going in through the front doors, and then say they went through the Patio doors?.
    Were they drunk!, blind!, how could they not know.?
    They are 2 different entrances aren’t they?, I presume one at the front, ie…front door, and presumably the patio doors would be at ……the back.

    The doors, only lock from the inside.
    Does this mean that these so called responsible people, kept these doors open all day long?. With all of their things, and precious children inside, each time they went out and ate at the Tapas Bar?.

    Surely that is a crime in itself alone!.

    I agree, this makes no sense at all!.
    Does any of it!?.

    Maddie’s last photo.
    How can they prove that this picture was indeed taken on the 3rd of May.?.
    Is there a date stamped on it?/

    It is said, that when Kate looked, she didn’t notice (see) Maddie with Ella.
    And if not, why didn’t she look for her right then.
    Was she not concerned right then?.

    I have read enough today, starting to get tired.

    It still stinks to high heaven.

    So far my summation tells me. (but I will be happy to be wrong!)
    Maddie was gone before the 3rd of May.
    And if that is so, and she wasn’t seen in her bed……where was she really?.

    What is the real honest truth of this terrible event?.

    One last suggestion.
    Perhaps that sighting of a child being carried was on one of the nights before!.
    And all they have done, is brought this abduction story, or lie to the 3rd of May, for some kind of convenience, and they knowingly used this to point the finger at Robert Murat,
    Whom I believe is totally innocent.
    Perhaps they knew he would be in the right place, at the right time, for their concocted web of lies to work?.

    In other words….he was set up to take the fall!.

    Disgusting!!!!!.

    Christ, if you cant trust a Doctor, (especially all those mentioned!) whom can you trust?.
    And we put our lives into these peoples hands, every single day!.

    The quest for Maddie continues!!!!.

    Take care
    Roy Exeter.

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    Liz Y Says:

    Roy, I think Madeleine cried for a long time the night before she disappeared, crying for her father, strange that, because most kids want their mum. Was this the night Kate stormed off, back to the apartment in a huff, because Gerry was flirting with a woman he’d invited to join them? I’ve read somewhere that Kate was in the apartment long before Madeleine stopped crying, and she phoned a friend in England at around 10 o’clock. Everyone feel free to correct me. There is so much info, a lot of facts, newspaper reports, and then other’s opinions, it’s difficult to sort the wheat from the chaff in my mind.

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    Supersleuth Says:

    Hi everyone just want to put my sixpennies worth into the mix regarding the now famous tennis ball photo.

    The McCanns want you to believe that this was taken on the 3rd of May 2007, when it clearly was not, how do I know you ask, well I did not need any fancy software to check out the photo, in fact our Kate and Gerry told me.

    Ok the proof ok here we go folks for another McCann porky.

    Kate and Gerry did an article for the Sun newspaper, I copy a transcript as well as a link, so you can judge for yourselves.

    For Kate and Gerry the picture of a happy three-year-old clutching a bundle of tennis balls evokes a carefree time before they became household names.

    Speaking in the documentary about the now-famous photograph, Kate says: “Gerry loves that photo.

    “As part of the kids’ club, they did mini-tennis and she really enjoyed it.”

    Gerry smiles and adds: “One of the tasks was to gather all the balls up and she’d obviously managed to get three in and she turned round to Kate and she’s like, ‘Look, I’ve got them all’.”

    http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/13apr8/Sun-30-04-08.htm

    Ok I hear you say but all that says is that it was taken at the mini tennis. Right lets look at the Kids Club activity list followed by the attendance register for the 1st of May 2007.

    1. Activity sheet.
    http://i37.tinypic.com/2rf97cy.jpg

    So mini tennis is on a Tuesday not a Thursday.

    2. Attendandence register for the 1st of May 2007.
    http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg238/miffed_album/processopdf01page110-CrecheRecords1.jpg

    So K & G clearly state that this photo was taken at mini tennis which is on Tuesday the 1st of May 2007, and just to confirm this, god bless our Kate she even put it in her diary.

    http://mccannexposure.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/kate-mccanns-diary/

    Then we have the allegation that the photo had a taken date of 5th of May 2007,

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrK9cikjXAQ&feature=related.

    So a photo taken on the 1st of May but dated on the 5th of May, does that mean all the photo’s taken from that date are 4 days earlier as well.

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    supersleuth Says:

    Back again and boy are those McCanns weird or what.

    http://truthformadeleine.com/the-last-photo/

    Tap down to that famous last photo, according to our favourite couple in the same atricle in the Sun our Gerry says the following.

    He also speaks about the moment the last known picture of Madeleine was taken.

    It shows her sitting alongside her father and her younger brother Sean, dangling their feet in the swimming pool, just seven hours before her disappearance.

    http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/13apr8/Sun-30-04-08.htm

    So Maddie is sitting alongside her father, should that not be sitting next to Sean and her father, because the girl at the end you have shown to be Maddie, see link.

    http://www.findmadeleine.com/index.html

    Ok, but peeps have you noticed the two kids, look closely, look very closely.

    What do you see, have you got it yet, both are wearing girls clothes. Now strange that, Sean from what we are lead to believe is a boy, why for f*** sake is he wearing a goddam dress. Either that it is Amelie, or you lot need some real help, Jesus man dressing your 2 year old boy as a girl is a bit sick don’t you think.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    The famous tennis ball photo that was allegedly taken on the 3rd of May 2007 was in fact taken on the 1st of May 2007. If you read an article dated 30th April 2008 in the Sun newspaper Gerry states that this photo was taken at the mini tennis. Well if you look at Kate’s diary, and the activity rotor for the kids club you will find that it was on Tuesday the 1st of May not on Thursday the 3rd of May.

    Gerry then goes on to discuss the famous last photo, he states it was a photo of him sitting alongside Madeleine and her younger brother Sean, well first it should be sitting alongside Sean, secondly if that is Sean why is he wearing a dress.

    Site Admin: Hi Super Sleuth. The Tennis Photo was never allegedly taken on May 3, 2007 and I don’t believe the McCanns ever said it was. It was always cited as being taken on May 1. The Associated Press had this picture in their database with the correct dates right from the time of publication. Some people have incorrectly attributed its dating to the 3rd and henceforth that myth circulated. Your point about Sean is a good one but where did Gerry state this?

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Site Admin

    Its on

    http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/13apr8/Sun-30-04-08.htm

    About a quarter of the way down.

    A copy of Gerrys blog that Pamalan has kept it also refers to a documentry but not which one.

    I have also done a bit more digging on the pool photo, and it looks 99% sure that the mans face has been photoshoped. Suggest you download a copy then blow it up to poster size, then check out the mans face. You can see that the sun glasses are to high up the face for the arms to meet the ears, also you note that the nose, forehead, are sharper, check out the nose to the mouth looks totally wrong, and then look at your leftside of the photo where the hair meets the skin you can see a that there is a pinky coloured skin same as the jaw, then a browner forehead certainly not the same colour. And finally I think I detect a thin line again on yourleft side of the face running from the ear to the glasses exactly where a pair of glasses would be. Then download this picture of Dr David Payne and flip it so he is looking right, then compare the jaw and mouth area of both pictures. Looks similar doesn’t it.

    http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00468/SNN0815XX_468451a.jpg

    So is this a photo of David Payne, if so why, why photoshop the mans body into this photo, then change the face, when a simple Gerry photo photoshoped in would be a lot easier. The picture screems out FAKE is it a subliminal message ie the Sean slip up and a photo of David Payne, are one or both of the McCanns pointing out who was involved in Maddies death/abduction.

    Site Admin: Thanks for the links and comments. We have always felt that the pool photo was a fake in some respect. It was allegedly the most recent photo of Madeleine but instead of releasing this picture to police and press they released a picture taken at least six months earlier. Then they released the tennis photo that had been taken on May 1. Why did they wait 21 days to release the pool photo? It makes no sense unless it was produced to provide an alibi for Madeleine being alive on May 3.

    Here at Truth for Madeleine we believe Madeleine died on May 1 or May 2, 2007. The McCanns had no hard evidence of her being alive that day because the only evidence was that contained in the various witness statements. As the McCanns did not know what had been said in those witness statements they had to take matters into their own hands and produce a rabbit out of a hat or…in this case a photo to “prove” she was alive on May 3. Without this photo, there is no tangible proof that Madeleine was alive on May 3. The creche records are a shambles and are proof of nothing.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    With reference to Madeleine if you shorten it should it not be Madie why Maddie

    Maybe another subliminal message Mad Die

    Is one or both of the McCann’s indicating how she died, ie someone got Mad and she Die(d)

    More stunning reverlations to follow.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Site Admin

    Our Kate has yet again opened mouth before engaging brain this ones a jem. She states the following.

    In the Sun dated 10th of May 2011 that

    THURSDAY May 3, 2007: Some images are etched for all time on my brain. Madeleine that lunchtime is one of them. She was wearing an outfit I’d bought especially for her holiday: a peach-coloured smock top from Gap and some white broderie anglaise shorts from Monsoon.

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3573678/I-fear-this-outfit-may-have-led-to-Madeleine-kidnap.html#ixzz1M3bUbMGD

    A peach coloured top would be more like theses colours.

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=colour+peach&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=xRe&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&channel=np&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=NbDwTb7QC4bLhAeq7IAd&ved=0CEsQsAQ&biw=1304&bih=590

    PS error mini tennis was a Monday 30th May 2007.

    http://i37.tinypic.com/2rf97cy.jpg

    Site Admin: Some of the McCann tales are filled with incredible amounts of detail – sometimes too much detail than is necessary. At other times, their tales are devoid of the sort of detail one would expect. The description of that peach smock top is a case in point as you have rightly demonstrated. I think everyone would have described it as pink prior to that description in Kate’s book. Is Kate dropping a hint that the color balance of the photo was tweaked as well?

    In her book, what happened to the detail of taking out the hair bead at bath time? Where is the detail of the pair of them drinking a bottle of their favorite New Zealand wine?

    It seems that as time wears on, new detail is added because that’s what a lie is – a work of fiction. Lies grow whereas the truth remains set in stone. People tend to forget details but Kate is a modern day miracle. She remembers more and more things over time!

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Re the date of death I would say 1st night or 2nd early morning, you got to remember to leave that odour the dogs smelt a body must be dead for over 1hr 45 mins. Then of course rigermortis will then be starting, that can take a while before the body becomes supple again. That is if Madeleine even went to Portugal I am working on that as we speak.

    PS I think that even the tennis ball shot was tampered with, another thing to work on.

    Site Admin: Madeleine’s body was most likely stored in that blue tennis bag that we see on the 2nd shelf up in the parent’s bedroom wardrobe. Gerry had placed the tennis bag in the flower bed at some stage – perhaps only briefly.

    Remember that the McCanns denied owning a blue tennis bag – despite the photo clearly showing it in the wardrobe in a photo taken by the PJ on the night of May 3, 2007. See here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1573575/Gerry-McCanns-tennis-bag-is-focus-of-inquiry.html

    Quite how Clarence Mitchell could say that Gerry never owned such a bag is ridiculous in the extreme. He can only have been parroting what the McCanns told him to say.

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    I Don't Believe It! Says:

    Site admin mentions the hair bead…yes, another odd use of detail.

    You can see how the McCanns get into trouble.

    You wonder why on earth the removal of the bead is so important (and you wonder whether in reality trying to remove a hair bead from a toddler at the end of a tiring day on holiday is likely to be a good idea…not in my experience…and why before the end of the holiday). Then you think – well the bead is in the “last photo”. But then, if the photo is photoshopped, then you can see why removal of the bead might be thought important…

    But why? In case the body were found? – Hmmm…so you end up in that dark place.

    The problem I find when the McCanns give detail is that there is no reassuring “surrounding” detail. In the case of the hair bead there is no convincing explanation of why the bead has to be removed ahead of the end of the holiday.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    I Dont Beleive It.

    Eureka the hair bead thats it by god, the faked photo and the so called last shot of Madeleine is true, but thats a shot of Madeleine taken previously and photoshoped in, as site admin said earlier. The girl in the tennis ball shot is Maddie.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Have had a look into genes reunited and found this strange anomily.

    Transcription Record
    Name Madeleine Beth McCann
    Year of Registration 2003
    Month of Registration June
    Registration District Leicester
    Registration County Leicestershire
    Mother’s maiden name Healy
    Volume Number 6001B
    Volume Page B21D

    Then I found these 2

    Transcription Record
    Name Oisin Valentine McCann
    Year of Registration 2003
    Month of Registration June
    Registration District Leicester
    Registration County Leicestershire
    Mother’s maiden name McCann
    Volume Number 6001A
    Volume Page A24D

    Transcription Record
    Name Oisin Valentine McCann-O’Leary
    Year of Registration 2003
    Month of Registration June
    Registration District Leicester
    Registration County Leicestershire
    Mother’s maiden name McCann
    Volume Number 6001A
    Volume Page A24D

    As you see the last two have the same Volume Number/Page this means an adoption.

    The name Oisin is a boys name, so an identical twin of a girl and boy is possible due to the IVF treatment, this is not good as this can result in the girl getting Turners Syndrom, which fits as Madeleine was very small for her age.

    I attach links to the two relevant web sites.

    http://www3.telus.net/tyee/multiples/1formed.html

    and

    http://kidshealth.org/teen/diseases_conditions/genetic/turner.html

    Is this why Madeleine’s medical record was not provided.

    Site Admin: Interesting find but what are the implications? Is it a mix-up with 2 children or is it just 3 children registered in June 2003 (Madeleine plus a pair of twins?) Simpler still, isn’t it just a correction of the original registration to add the hyphenated name on Oisin’s record?

    There is an article in this website from back in 2007 that discussed the possibility of Turner’s Syndrome. Here is the page: http://truthformadeleine.com/turners-syndrome/

    Girls with Turner’s Syndrome can cry for hours on end with colic-like symptoms and Kate has told us that Madeleine would cry for up to 18 hours when she was a baby. The PJ asked Kate if it was true if they considered giving Madeleine away to another family member. What made them ask that question? It seems that the PJ did some very thorough research that we perhaps cannot see directly in the police file.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Site Admin

    Turners syndrom is very prevelant in an identical girl/boy twin.

    Maybe an error but I am awaiting a reply on the same volume/page number, implications the twins nuclear DNA is identical to the girl, so his blood would be the same as Madeleine, so the blood could have been planted as proof Madeleine was in PDL ie she cut herself, no other DNA was found to prove otherwise. So did Madeleine ever go to PDL are we looking in the wrong place.

    Note O’Leary is Irish and the McCanns went to Ireland 2 weeks before they went to PDL so getting a blood sample would be easy, and they found a syringe in the appartment.

    PS Note the appartment was owned by a Ruth McCann says she is not related true not blood related but is there a Mr McCann that is? Reason I say is that appartment 5a was not a Mark Warner appartment so how come it was booked by Mr D Payne as a Mark Warner package.

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    Jim (Derby) Says:

    I have just finished Kate’s book and have taken a passing interest in this case since the event happened. I applaud the analytic approach of many contributors here and especially the good people who want an answer to this tragedy. I am inclined to think we lose sight of what shock does to the system. We do not behave or react normally when in a state of shock so we must bear that in mind when dismembering events. I am also inclined to believe Kate and Gerry despite many irregularities in their account. Another feature of human nature we must not forget is the inexactitude of memory. You must have heard the song ‘we met in June,’ ‘You wore blue,’ etc ‘I remember it well! The system overwhelmed the McCanns and how on earth can we expect them to behave normally when under such stress? I believe they are loving parents and good people and it would be impossible for them to keep up a ruse when so many family and friends were involved . ‘You can fool some of the people all of the time….’ It is a sad reality that when police forces get hold of complicated cases they soon allow the detail to submerge… their egos and their self interest takes over. I think the answer is to be found in the criminal underworld in the area. If you want to find a rat you must get down in the sewer. I would put some of the funds towards a project to hire a couple of ex SAS to penetrate this criminal world – not to find the kidnapper directly (that would give the game away – but to beat out the names needed to shed light. Let’s have names and then let the police make what they can of them.

    Site Admin: We are grateful for your measured comments Jim. However, the only way to truly get to the bottom of this horrendous case is to have the McCanns and their friends answer those tricky questions under oath. Until the McCanns can be eliminated from the inquiry and we can firmly establish that an abduction took place, they will always be under suspicion. They have told far too many lies and there are too many contradictions to believe them on other aspects of the case. Remember, it is only the McCanns who claim “abduction”. They make this claim without one scrap of evidence. Kate says she knows Madeleine was taken because of the way the room was left. That makes no sense at all and she has offered us nothing to support that notion. The curtains could not have blown up like she says – look at the photos of the apartment from the night of the 3rd – the curtains were trapped behind the bed at the side of the window.

    Also, who in their right mind leaves an unlocked apartment 6 days in a row? They left passports, keys, personal effects and the most valuable possessions of all – their children. This “cover story” doesn’t make any kind of logical sense at all. I have never gone on a holiday and deliberately left the door open – have you?

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    this case just gets worse.
    i am not the most brightest light in the box
    but, for what it is worth.
    this is my take on the last few posts.

    this might sound stupid, or obsurd, but it now seems to me, that they were expecting to loose maddie, or have i got the wrong end of the stick here?. and if i am holding the clean side of the stick, then perhaps, they did sell her, and had already made the secret arangements, perhaps this is why they all seemed to have a simular flawed story.

    going by everything else i have read, i wouldn’t be surprised about anything anymore.

    what say you?.
    just a thought

    the quest for maddie goes on!.

    thankyou
    take care
    Roy Exeter

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    DESPERATE MEASURES!!!.

    hi everyone again, i’m sorry to keep on about maddie’s unseen justice.

    please dont think i am a crank or a bit wierd, i am just frustrated, and all out of answers.
    if it was up to me, this is what i would do, and although you probably wouldn’t admit it,
    i am betting that secretly you would do this to, if you could.

    i would get mr and mrs McCann, along with the other 7, perhaps tied up naked in the stocks,for all to see, with a man in a mask cracking a whip,asking all those unanswerd questions, and we would all stay there untill they cracked and told us the whole sorry truth.

    they all know the truth…dont they?.
    you know they do!.

    sod their dignity….what about maddie’s!?.

    perhaps not all of them, but i bet that someone would crack, especially the more weak minded ones.
    miss tanner, for instance, even Kate…she dont look that strong.

    yes, i know it sounds draconion, but what else is there for maddie.
    it worked in the dark ages, yes i know this isn’t the dark ages.
    desperate measures, remmember!.
    one way or another, it is certainly a dark age for little maddie.
    how much darker can it get for her?.

    this has gone on far to long,(4 years, and counting!)dont you agree.
    something soon has got to give!.

    it seems like everything else has been tried, so perhaps desperate measures really do need to be applied.

    they seem to find most of the other murderers of other people, by more humain methods, ie minnie dowler etc, so why is maddie so different.

    we need to know, where,(be it alive or dead) she is, especially if she is dead, so she can be found, brought home and buried properly, perhaps with all of her toys…and if she is alive with new parents, after she was sold, she cant stay with them!. she has to be brought back, because that is the right thing to do…isn’t it!?.

    i would even vollenteer to crack the whip.
    i promise…i would get the truth, and now i wouldn’t care how inhumain my methos might be.
    someone,or all of them is/are defanately lying, which means that there is a real truth, and if you think about it, there is only ever one real truth in the end.

    their stories are so flawed, and confusing, and perhaps this is the whole point of them doing it this way, perhaps they really are trying to confuse the whole issue, perhaps a purpose joint venture to deflect everything away from the real truth.

    ie, they’ve all got their stories, and they are sticking to them.

    and have you noticed, that now and again, their stories, seem to change a bit?.
    perhaps its just me, but that suggests lies to me. always has in the past!.

    surely the real truth, can only be the truth.
    lies, no matter how small are never the truth.

    but, put your whips away, because we dont do things like that do we….anymore?
    we’re civilised….but tell me honestly people, how civilised is either killing your child, or selling her?.

    surely my draconion stance, is nothing in comparrison to what happened to poor little maddie, between the 1st and the 3rd of may, 2007 weather she is alive or dead.

    this whole thing is absoluetly deplorable.

    please forgive my angry stance on this.

    come on you detectives, pick up the ball again.

    the quest for maddie continues……forevermore.

    thankyou everyone.
    take care
    Roy Exeter

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Roy of Exeter

    Two secenarios one is the perfect crime, and end up rich, other is Madeleine Beth McCann never went to PDL she died or was sold/abducted either in the UK or Eire. Am building a case up to prove that she never went to PDL and once I have that Scotland Yard will be informed, and if they do jack shit well the Sun newspaper would be fed the info, so guys and girls wish me luck.

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    well done super sleuth, i am 10,000% behind you
    i will be watching, just like everyone else here
    i know i seemed a bit over the top….but i am serious….deadly.
    if scotland yard cant be bothered, then i am sure that the media will lap it up, but sadly, only because it sells papers for them…but its a start, and it will get people interested again.
    it does seem to me, the interest as it once was…has fallen off.
    yeah, give em a jolt of what they like best.

    (spiritual message!)dont worry maddie, we will not forget you.
    and one day, people will have to face up to what they did too you.
    all is not lost…..you will have your day in court.
    what d’ya say super sleuth?….am i right?.
    take care
    Roy Exeter

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Roy Exeter

    Yes its ass kicking time, used to work in a fraud investigation team a long time ago, and we had a saying ” A case is like an acre of pine forest, just find that acorn ” Once you have that the rest just collapses like a pack of cards.

    Only prob is we are dealing with free masons but Im sure we will get there in the end, well cup of coffee time, and then back to the case just found another lead to persue.

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    Jonathan Marsden Says:

    Ihave read through all the comments above. In isolation some of the points may make a modicum of sense – in context however they are nonsense. How does a foreign couple keep a body hidden from the local police? If it is such a good hiding place why do they then move it three weeks later? If they dismembered a body – it would be impossible for blood to have been completely cleaned up. The dogs, brought in three months later, were unreliable at best. The DNA was too complicated (this by the best DNA analysis in the world – as per the PJ).
    GFinally why are the McCanns continuingt with the hunt so many years later – even asking for a judicial revue. Guys give them a break they are innocent – have lost their precious eldest daughter and yet you continue to accuse them with so much acrimony.
    If Madeleine is found – and I pray with my whole being she is – I hope each of you will have the grace to humbly beg their forgiveness. (Yes they left the children alone – you know what, they made a massive mistake – as a much wiser man once said – “Let He who is without sin cast the first stone”

    Site Admin: Jonathan, you really need to have seen the interview with British serial killer Dennis Nilsen to understand the lack of blood with a dead body. Nilsen chastised his interviewer when they were discussing how he cut up the bodies in his kitchen and the interviewer remarked that there would be blood everywhere. Nilsen (an army chef) made some remark about a human body being just like meat you buy from a butcher and he was quick to point out that meat does not bleed everywhere because it is dead.

    My ex-police source in Portugal said that Madeleine was definitely frozen and that makes most sense of all. If the police had employed a scorched-earth policy of checking every dwelling in Praia da Luz and the surrounding area, it would have made anyone hiding the body very nervous about the prospect of it being discovered. That’s why it would have been a temporary situation. The Nilsen story aside, there seems to be no inference that the body was ever dismembered.

    You say the McCanns are continuing with the hunt. What hunt? There is not one photograph or video that shows the McCanns doing any kind of search. They need the perception of Madeleine still alive so they can keep their gravy train running. These are people who have wasted over a million pounds on the recruitment of a commercial fraud investigation team (Metodo 3 in Spain) and an Irish con-man (Kevin Halligen). Those two outfits had zero experience in finding a missing person so why did the McCanns sanction that kind of spending with those people? If you have a flat tyre on your car do you get it fixed at the doctors? Do you get your teeth cleaned at the zoo? Of course not! So why were Metodo 3 and Halligen recruited at all?

    There is no acrimony. There is only justice for Madeleine. Until something changes, the prime suspects are the parents.

    As you’re from South Africa, can you shed any light on the McCanns’ strong connections with your country? Kate called someone there during the night of May 3-4, 2007. Then we had that fraudster with the Heath-Robinson contraption, Danie Krugel, smuggling his equipment into Portugal without passing through the x-ray machine at customs. What was his real involvement?

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Jonathan

    I have more evidence that with a small amount of police checking will solve this if what I found matches up. but I am not saying what it is on here, even know where the body probably is.

    Lets say there are two scenarios I hope that the first one is true, the second is not worth thinking about.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Jonathan

    PS The police follow procedures ie take DNA interview all the suspects etc I dont work that way I look at it from an entire different angle also my advantage is I only got intrested again in the last few weeks so I havent been poluted with 4 years of dross and bull shit to confuse me. Though I never beleived the Mc Canns, body language screams out they are telling porkies but not to the degree I have found.

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    Jonathan Marsden Says:

    Well there you go then Super Sleuth – you present your evidence to the judicial revue board and the police can do your bidding. If its as solid as you say, no doubt we will have the case solved in the next short while!

    Site Admin – sorry it still doesn’t add up. How can they possibly have hidden a body (being strangers in the country) and it not being found by police or search parties. Once again despite this hiding place being so secure, they apparently moved it three weeks later – why, what was the point? And still no-one saw them….?

    Danie Krugel is a well meaning person. He has been featured on a number of television shows in SA. Although his claims sound impressive I don’t know of any instance when he has been accurate. I understand there is absolutely no verifiable science behind his equipment. Whatever you do, please don’t make him part of your fiction – his services where negotiated by a local South African lady, after seeing his equipment being “tested” on a local news show called “Carte Blanche” He offered his services. Wherever he goes he insists on the same secrecy – all apparently because he doesn’t want the technology copied.

    Regarding the “gravy train”. Sorry that’s not fair. The fund is administered to very strict standards of independence. They are not allowed to be paid a cent in any cost other then those directed at finding Madeleine. This is audited and factual. The fact that we have regular promotional inserts and publicity as far away as in South Africa, is enormously expensive and, to my mind, proof of their continued search activity.

    If you were in their shoes (assuming they are innocent) how would you proceed differently? How would you find your little girl out of 7 billion inhabitants on earth?

    As in all great conspiracies (NASA never went to the moon, who killed JFK etc) – there is one fundamental flaw – human nature dictates that eventually someone will spin the beans. Look at the Watergate scandal, “Deepthroat” revelaed himself before he died.

    For your “ex police” source to say that the body was “definately” frozen is absoloutely absurd.

    There is absolutely no evidence in this regard. The freezer would have had body fluids (and possibly tissue) left inside which would have been impossible to clean. The police would have definately found this with their investigation.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Jonathan

    What the company that isnt a charity that has admitted that living expenses, and legal fees have been taken out of the fund, mmm. You mention that the fund is administrated to very strict standards, explain how. Are you going to say that on the company returns that an audit has taken place, that means jack shit, all that means is that Company McCanns have complied with all TAX, VAT, and Company regulations, and that monies received is accounted for, ie paying in book matches bank statement, invoices match payments, salaries are NI and Tax correct. But if their is no internal control procedure in place to ensure that all monies received are accounted for, especially in regards to cash, how do you know that what cash comes in is paid into the fund, fine having bank statements matching paying in books, but if the cash isnt put on the paying in book well you aint going to spot it by the paying in/ bank statement method are you.

    By the way I should know, it what I did as a living once, so dont tell me how to suck eggs.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Site Admin

    Hi need a bit of help is their any record of the McCanns 2005 holiday to Majorca being a Mark Warner holiday.

    Thanks

    Reply: Not sure Super Sleuth. The Gaspar statement doesn’t mention it being a Mark Warner Holiday. Kate mentions Mark Warner in this context in her book here:

    “It was on New Year’s Day 2007 that the idea of a spring holiday in Portugal was first raised. Fiona and David Payne, who had come with their children Lily and Scarlett to spend the day with us, were planning a week’s break at a Mark Warner resort in the Algarve, probably with two other couples and their families, and they asked us if we’d like to join them.

    We’d been away with Fiona and David on several occasions and we’d always enjoyed ourselves. They favoured the same kind of holidays we did – we’ve never been interested in swanky hotels, preferring a reputable resort with good sports facilities and, since the arrival of the children, plenty for them to do, too. Gerry and I took the kids everywhere – in fact I’d only ever been apart from them for one night – so they were used to travelling. They had been on lots of family trips, to Glasgow, Liverpool, Stratford, Skipton and Crieff, Donegal, Guernsey and Spain, and they loved their ‘mini-holidays’, as we called them, to visit friends and family.”

    From this account it isn’t clear whether the trip to Spain in 2005 was a Mark Warner holiday. Perhaps it was and Kate is hiding the fact.

    Why do you ask?

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    Suoer Sleuth Says:

    Site Admin

    Because their isn’t a Mark Warner in Majorca, but dont you find it strange no 2006 holiday. Have found something though today but I dare not put it on here as I bet the McLiars read this, am trying to get the press intrested as it could be a major factor in the case, to the point it sinks the entire witness statements hook line and sinker. And will prove my theory.

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    Taurus Says:

    If you have evidence of a crime you go to a serving police force. You do not go to the press as they will see you as attention-seeking or worse. If you have been given information subversively the action again is to a serving force. I would recommend not theories but facts. Indeed, facts are that there is no way that anyone could have not attacked Stephen Carpenter to access his daughter when walking home to his flat at 9.15 .- 9.20 that night. But that man as Ray Wyre would have said if he wanted a child, a child of three or four then he would have taken one out there already in the street and coshed the carrier of that child. Why did that not happen?

    The answer is that due to the randomness and open door of a certain apartment and a certain lady even a domestic incident could not ensue without as we know it being heard, or a person being seen as sinister on that afternoon in question. The ‘criminal act’ and ‘criminal intent’ being the cognitive act confirming a gate did not make a sound in daylight, and it did make a sound. By testing the gate the man knew how to open and close it to show it was shut.

    Therefore when the occupants came back it would closed fully again. But then it would have to be opened again by the said man and make a noise. Either said gate was opened for a reason and left open for some person later to come in and not make a noise. No.
    Or the man seen by 5G above by the iron railings gap as visual access was coming back later and wanted to leave in a hurry and not have to open the gate. Thus the only forensic action of this is to take something in both arms and have no hands to open a gate. Logic.

    It the logic of any person who has to carry fully laden any package that cannot be put down as a cognitive act of going in a door that has to be manually opened.
    Our man is then able to go later and take an object or item from any of the flats using the wall to climb over as his height is suggestive of this dexterity and fitness by the witness. He was tall enough to climb over when on the steps and inside gates 5C, 5B to go along to 5A and climb over to the window as the tree of course obliterates the view. But the only thing not taken was those children who were lighter, smaller and visually seen in mesh cots. This in contrast to an unseen person or object behind a door. This says either enticement by a ‘voice’ she knew that should not have been there, or that had made that connection of enticement by vocal instruction to come out this way. That to me makes the most sense of how this was done. If you call a name someone will answer, if not the right name you can then run and go over the wall to 5B and then 5C and be out and gone back to where you are sitting so nicely in the Tapas Bar.

    Thus, the Tapas Bar was vital to the use of the gates in the lane and at a certain time of darkness. But find a better one as to be an armchair tourist is not ecological validity. It cannot be done by using theories that do not show orientation insitu.

    Therefore, find the man who wanted the gate of 5B not to make a noise who was seen by the party above of sound mind, and you have not hallucinations, but fact. A man did leave 5C that was empty, or supposed to be, and then enter by the wall 5B, and then come out of 5B after doing something inside 5B or 5A when unoccupied or occupied and unseen. Which? Time.4.30 p.m. Why this time and this place adjacent to 5A with access via the bedroom patio areas that have gardens and stairs below the wall of Warner visibility. Someone has military training skills, and is not a vagrant. This leaves a fit man that can vault easily as a sportsman and one who has logistical skills of course. I state that as the man did not see the occupants that far back above who were sat back due to the weather as stated. He could not of course look up to see. That means whoever this was entered a certain flat before the party came back that were in 5G above on the terrace. What had he been doing all that time?
    Find that out as police will have most certainly have been investigating in silence as UK police forces and NPIA. Any information of relevance call ‘crime-stoppers’ or local police, but not visions, theories or hallucinations please.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Taurus

    I tried to advise crime stoppers the minute I mentioned the McCanns didnt want to know, dealing with the british police who ave deliberately withheld certain records, why tell them, they would tell me to come back when I have 100% of the info before they will get of their ass and I have 95% the other 5% only they can get.

    I will try but I hope someone out there will get that 1 bit of info I have confirmed as being acurate, then that is the last piece in the jigsaw.

    It is not some hairbrained idea, I have an idea what happened but that changes depending on what relevant data is obtained, so I am open minded on this case, but if i can nail this bit of info, the hole PDL event becomes null an void appertaining to MM’s death/disapearrance in April 2007 and dates whatever happened to her prior to that date, then maybe the police might consider a visit by those dogs to the McCanns house.

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    JACQUELINE OCONNOR Says:

    THE HOLIDAY THE GASPERS WERE ON 2005 ANOTHER COUPLE WERE THERE,BUT CANT REMEMBER THEIR SURNAMES HAVE THEY BEEN INTERVIEWED, FIRST NAMES STUART AND TARA ANON

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Jaqueline

    Thanks, trying to collate as much info as I can, have passed some onto Scotland Yard already but I am not holding my breath, seems they are not thinking outside the box so to speak. If it were me I would start with the only two real facts we know.

    1. A dead body had been in appartment 5a prior to the dogs visit. FACT
    2. No collectable DNA for Maddie/Madileine/? was found in 5a FACT
    3. Blood was detected by the dogs in the same place a dead body had detected, so blood was deposited prior to the dogs visit. FACT
    4. DNA to verify the blood was taken from data obtained in the UK house of the McCanns. FACT

    So all we know is that sometime in the past a dead body with matching DNA from the McCanns UK house was present, how de we know its Maddies/Madeleine/?

    How do we know when the dead body/ blood was deposited, how do we know whose DNA we have.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    You are not going to believe this one, yet another pesky McCann popping up, and guess where, yep a child minder at the Ocean Club in PDL.

    link http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAULINE-MCCANN.htm

    Of course not related, yes well, this is getting to spooky for my liking, a McCann under every bed.

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    Taurus Says:

    To the bounty hunters.
    The loss of the £1.000.000 as one million UK pounds reward money from the
    News of the World creates a different ball game.

    Will the other three benefactors still pay out for the conditional release of Madeleine? Integrity says they would, but they would not profit by newspaper exclusives.

    They would investigate the person who led them to who took Madeleine, who hid Madeleine, and who owned Madeleine. It is not a coconut shy of who gets the prize.

    No reward and no imposters, no fake sightings, and no psychics who say where she is or was.
    No more causation as in Shannon Matthews intrafamiliar abductions and doping, and no more sensationalism.

    It means every missing person from point last seen has to have ‘proof of life’ as in another case that is revealed of men missing.

    Now let us see how much this changes things as the Sun is not the payout vehicle, the News of the Word was.

    It means that in the best interests it is not a ransom as the paper expected and for the exclusive rights to the story, nor a bounty for the bounty hunter, nor an incentive for others to gain as Karen Matthews highlighted.

    Nine children in one party of tourists, one child of school age missing. Most missing children are an isolated case as in Robert Black as a single child seen on their own who is a ‘sexual being’ to a paedophile, not a unit of currency. Consider the Lyndbergh baby and you would of course easily take any of the infant children, certainly the twins as to their weight and ease of transportation.

    Something far sinister has gone on.

    Usually it is in domestic situations of disputes this happens as to intrafamiliar abduction when children are taken abroad to one parent as custody battles and power.

    But here out of nine children coming up to school age that were in one condensed group left alone, the only one to go was the least of the nine that should have been taken by an extrafamiliar as stranger person

    Did she leave with someone she knew, or she did not leave at all

    Was she chosen and taken as hypothesised by choice for some sinister reason?

    Or by someone she knew and trusted as this one could shout? But did not.

    Scotland Yard do not need Murdoch’s money to find out what happened to one of the nine children left in a holiday flat alone all that week. All they need are the witness statements and experience with other files which will never come into eyesight of anyone but serving police officers on the case. Full stop.

    As for crimestoppers, mention the word psychic and theory and that is time wasting. It does not take theories but information. Who saw a fair haired tall child of nearly four exiting in any way the patio door or doors of flats or gardens along this lane during that evening? No one. Block 5.

    Jane says and is filmed to say and heard to say in her first interview. ‘Never in a million years would I think that was Madeleine’.

    Now a million pounds reward by that time had been offered, and it was in big bold letters at the Church.

    Cognition says this million and a million years were as she later stated from media that she read of as influencing. She says it herself.

    The Million Pound reward is no more from the News of the World.

    The word million is the incentive like the National Lottery as to cash as a windfall for one individual.

    It is sad that only one child was selected to be the focus of this in contrast to others still missing who were riding bikes, sitting on benches or out in the community of good old England, Scotland and Wales.

    No money is needed to search for this missing then school age four year old in days, but common sense and good united policing on the evidence held by police forces. It will be there in the defects of the stories and the impossible being unravelled. Man hours of experts with no bias of what they find. Interviewing is an art, and I have listened to experts on that very subject.

    The good news is there is now no incentive to be a bouncer with a story, or a caller with a sighting of a child that has blonde hair with the million pound sign shining down on that golden head.

    Site Admin: Remember that the reward advertised in the NOTW was for £1,500,000 not £1,000,000. And, it was not a donation from the newspaper but moreover, the paper was just coordinating the pledges from rich (and gullible) benefactors. I think that News Corporation has a lot more on its plate right now than to be wondering about the Madeleine McCann reward!

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Taurus

    1. Forget the plods at Scotland Yard they will get interfered with just like the original case, remember we are dealing with Free Masons here.

    2. The reward money would never have been paid as I beleive found alive was part of the requirements to claim.

    3. The so called latest private detectives are leading the plods at Scotland Yard a merry dance, with the latest id of who ever is todays photo fit at which ever the flavour of the months location it happens to be in.

    Site Admin: The NOTW reward was just a piece of propaganda. From a psychological perspective, a lot of people seeing a reward published in a prominent newspaper will believe that Madeleine is still alive and well. Most view a reward like a ransom note. It was nothing more than spin.

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    monteChristo Says:

    I’ve been reading ‘Madeleine’ for the last few days. I didn’t want to give the McCanns money but I also needed to find out what happened. And that is exactly what the book has helped me to do – but not in the inept way that Kate thinks.

    The strongest impressions I get from this book are:

    1) A woman desperately trying to ‘contain’ the information that she and Gerry don’t have control over. That’s always the problem faced by someone trying (as Amaral noted from the earliest moments of the investigation) to convince everyone of the ‘abduction story’. This book is clumsy the way it tries to address and dispose of information that messes up their view of the world.

    2) Her complete lack of responsibility. There’s a pervasive sense that everything is everyone else’s fault, all the time. At worst, she and Gerry are guilty of giving an abductor an opportunity – but the real fault lies with the abductor.

    3) Her obsession with paedophiles and Madeleine’s surface ‘beauty’. I agree with others here that the ‘ripped genitals’ reference feels like a strong ‘tell’. There are many other ‘tells’ like this – including (not related to paedophilia) where she casually mentions worrying about the possibility of one of their children ‘falling off something and hitting their head’.

    4) Her absolute rage and hatred of US, the ‘anonymous’ bunch of perverted, faceless cowardly internet hate-mongers. Actually, her hatred of anyone who questions her account of things.

    There is so much more besides about this book. I found myself turning page corners as markers on practically every page; pencilling notes and underlining passages with clusters of exclamation marks. I got the strong feeling that it was a kind of ‘suicide’ she was committing by providing people like us with the information we need to ‘triangulate’ what’s really been going on.

    A couple of specific things that struck me as utterly revealing / significant – which I’m surprised not to have seen picked up on:

    A) The way that Kate accounts for Gerry witholding information about Jane Tanner’s 9.15pm ‘sighting’ of the supposed abductor. This is an incredible situation: according to Kate, Gerry has received from JT the single MOST important piece of information possible in this situation (that a man was seen probably carrying your daughter away from your apartment) and yet decides not to tell his wife this until something like 7am the following morning? The ONLY ONE piece of information a mother whose child has been abducted would care about – and, according to her, Gerry AND the rest of the Tapas 7 decide (agree?) to withhold it from her to spare her feelings??? In the book, she reports this withholding of this piece of information without comment – other than to say how relieved she was that the information at least proved to her that Madeleine had been abducted. This shows me that what she’s really MOST concerned about at this moment isn’t finding Madeleine (likely dead..) but being believed.

    B) Explaining away the Tapas 7’s refusal to take part in a reconstruction. Having painted herself out as the person MOST desirous of a reconstruction of events in order to help find Madeleine yet frustrated throughout the first year by the inept PJ’s inability to organise such a reconstruction, Kate then has to account for why, when the PJ eventually DID call for one, the Tapas 7 conspired to refuse to attend. She does this with a masterstroke – a single sentence using a piece of jargon that is likely to pass completely undetected (and with no effect) most of her readers. She stages this by first recounting the PJ’s ineptitude in not organising a reconstruction, then by saying that their request to the Tapas 7 (when they came) went from polite to demanding, alerting the Tapas 7 to the possibility that they might come under heavy – and unsympathetic – scrutiny. Look how badly the PJ treated us, Kate says. It’s no surprise then, that the Tapas 7 consulted lawyers to make sure they didn’t get abused in the same way. Then, in a final sentence, she says just this: “In the end there was no quorum and the plan was abandoned.”

    This is the most camouflaged way of saying “the Tapas 7 were too afraid to face a reconstruction that would blow apart their inconsistent version of events so they consulted legal advice and refused to take part.”

    In the last couple of days, I also read Pat Brown’s criminal profile of this case (itself subject to a Carter-Ruck gagging action) and her conclusions are similar to my own.

    There is something about this case that I just can’t put down. No, Kate, I’m not some hateful lowlife scum (I think that’s the language you used in ‘Madeleine’ to describe me and all these other decent, intelligent, outraged people). I’m someone who believes that you are both guilty of whatever happened to Madeleine that night. I hope (strange to say this) that what happened that night was that Madeleine died and didn’t suffer long. What I fear is the possibility that she suffered far more, and for longer, at the hands of sexual predators in this group of friends. I really do hope I’m wrong in that respect.

    Site Admin: Well said!

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    Hi Monte Christo

    Well I beleive she was not abducted, have a theory that she died not in 2007 but 2006, and 2007 was the cover up and the money making scam. To much was in place in 2007 the phone numbers for the press/TV etc, the speed of everything being in place the lawyers, the fund, the spin doctors etc

    Add to that the creche records all signed by KM not KH bar 1 not sure even if GM signature is his. (see chapter 23 she only became KM after MMC went missing). Catriona Baker had been working for MW at OC in PDL from June 2006, the flat is not a MW but owned by a Ruth McCann, another McCann called Pauline worked in one of the creches, and appears to share the same accomodation as CB.

    To many McCanns of course they say not related, but was the male in the family related????

    Site Admin: Super Sleuth…when Kate says in her book she became Kate McCann she means that the media called her that after the disappearance became public. It is not very sound sleuthing to take that statement and try to imply that she means her name changed by deed poll or other legal means. Sure there is a money making scam, but likewise, it is unsound to fit other pieces of flimsy evidence to your views that Madeleine was in Portugal in 2006. Coincidences abound every day in life. Just because there were other people called McCann, it does not mean they were related. If you come up with proven evidence that these “McCanns” are all related then even that doesn’t prove anything beyond a familial relationship. Sorry to put the mocker on your theories but I haven’t seen you come up with anything new that we didn’t know back in 2007. So what if they did everything fast. I can create a brand new website from a new domain and have it online in under an hour. It’s the same with a UK Limited Company. Also, what difference does it make whether Catriona Baker was at the Ocean Club in 2006?

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    girl88 Says:

    One question that has always stuck in my mind, why enter through unlocked patio doors and leave through a window?? Its vitually impossible to have left through that window in apartment 5a without standing on the bed or leaving some trace evidence on the window sill or frame, unless there there were 2 abductors and one passes madeleine out the window!

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    mee44 Says:

    i have just suddenly become much more interested in this case, of course i remember the day i first heard of it back then, but i was far too young and thought it was a missing child and no more, as i got older i heard stories of the possiibility of the parents being involved but i never looked into it any further than what people around me said, have always felt bad when i hear Madeleines name, as anyone would. but the past few days,i dont no why,iv suddenly started looking into it online alot more, its like she just popped into my head the other day and since then i havent stopped reading everything i can find,maybe its from becoming a parent myself,but i never ever imagined there was SO much involved in this, i think anyone, from just a few hours reading up on this can conclude something very sinister is going on, and it has nothing to do with an abduction. i am proof of this as i have just started reading up and already see there is just too much there for it too be an innocent mistake on a parents part by leaving a door unlocked and an oppurtunity arising for an abductor. i feel for some reason that this truth may never fully come out, i pray it does, but it seems there is a whole network of people covering something up, and while it is inevitable that eventually someone will crack there are still too many unanswered q’s and too much covering up done that i imagine only more will be done, and until little Madeleine is physically found, we will not have a definate answer. the entire case is baffling, and heartbreaking, and by the sounds of how sinister it all is i truly do hope that whatever took place leading up to that night, (and this will sound horrible) that it involved Madeleine dying so she was not subjected to anything even more sinister than i would like to think of. i just hope that soemone does crack,and that someone knows enough about what happened to tell where she is so she can be put to rest and the whole world can say their farewells to a little girl whos face i believe will remain in the minds of every single person who was old enough to rememeber the first day they heard about this for the rest of their lives. one thing i would like to ask,as i am abit confused on the matter, what is this about an “oisin” that someone mentioned, and i presume was indicating that Madeleine was a twin??

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    mee44 Says:

    one thing just popped into my head but im prob totally wrong here, but what girl 88 said made sense to me, could it be possible that assuming someone Madeleine knew was involved, but to either lessen the risk of the twins being woken, or lessen the risk of the “abductors” dna being in the apt, or for some reason i cant think off, and maybe that Madeleine was awake like she had been the night previously and maybe her parents/friends knew this, or had purposly had her stay awake or something i dont know, but is it possible that someone spoke to madeleine through this window someone she knew,maybe saying to come open the patio door (as it only locks from inside so presumbly you cannot unlock from outside,and i no they said it wasnt locked at all but i dunno this is just a theory) and she does so, being quiet so not to wake her siblings, and it went from there..it would stop the noise of a front door being opened, which means that would only be noticed by possible ear witness’s when they did there “checks” also by the looks of the pics right around the corner is a road, could there not have been a car there, with how long it took kate to go back to the bar and alert people, surely this car could have drivin away unnoticed?i dunno. it just makes no sense to me as to why someone would use a window rather than an unlocked door..?but then again maybe it was all set up,and someone wanted it to seem like an intruder got in the window,but they shot themselves in the foot then with the door ebing unlocked etc.. i just dont know.

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    Chris1 Says:

    A lot of discussion is about “who would react like that” and “what would a normal person do”. Hopefully I will never find out what I would do and how I would react but if you are going to use this as an argument you have to consider the alternative. For instance Gerry and Kate never searched for Maddie on the night of her disappearance. Fair enough, sounds wierd. So lets consider the alternative – They know what has happened to Maddie and they are trying to cover it up by pretending she has gone missing. What would they do ? Search like mad !!! Remember they are going to react in the way they would imagine a parent going through that would react. But they dont. Police in this country will always ask you to remain at home in case they return and strongly encourage you not to join the search. Who knows how they felt or what they thought on that night but the more their behaviour differs from the way you would imagine a normal person would react the more it goes against the theory that they really know what happened and are deliberately acting the part of worried parents. Im sure they would act much better than that.

    Not only do people need to imagine how Gerry and Kate would have reacted if they were innocent and knew nothing of her dissapearance but it is equally important (if your going to go down that road) to imagine how they would react if they were guilty and had full knowledge of what really happened. Do this and the holes are much bigger on the side of them being guilty and their innocence becomes a lot more obvious.

    Would a normal loving parent leave their child a few hundred yards away while they had a meal making regular checks ? No. I agree.
    Would a normal loving parent murder their child and dispose of the body ? No. Most definately not. The leave them for a meal option suddenly looks not so unlikely.

    Take for instance the comment “Where they were standing is not crucial” That seems to have angered some people. Understandable. In deciding the guilt or innocence of Gerry McCann we need to examine his story and come to conclusions about how reliable it is. Did he check on the children ? Did he carry Maddie away ? etc etc. This is very crucial in any investigation that may involve Gerry as a potential suspect. HOWEVER, remember this comment is made by KATE. Lets assume for arguments sake. Everything she says is genuine. Two loving parents have lost their child. They don’t know how or why. People ask you which side of a particular road he was on ???? What the hell has that got to do with anything ??? That would be my reaction and its a totally natural reaction for her to have. Why ? because she is not contemplating her own husband as a suspect so the whole aspect of this encounter is totally and utterly irrelevant and not something she ever needs to consider or think about. Its just something that clouds the important facts of WHAT HAPPENED !!

    I read the comments on the patio doors and thought, yes that does sound unlikely. Then I considered myself. I have just been on holiday in a cottage in cornwall. At home I lock my doors every night and double check them. On holiday I dont think I locked any of the doors once. I never even thought about it until reading this article.

    I will finish by saying this. Im a police officer. Im suspicious of motives and open minded on theories. I’ve seen parents do horrific things to their children and I’ve seen parents behave in incredibly surprising ways when under pressure. Trust me. People do not act the way you expect them to act under these circumstances. In my experience the only time people do exactly what you expect them to do in any particualr situation is when they are acting the part and trying to do what you would expect them to do. The more their behaviour varies from the norm, the more believable in my experience. In considering this case please remember the following.
    Put yourselves in their position and consider there reactions, behaviour and motives. When you have done there DONT stop and rest on your findings. You then need to look at the flip side and compare it.

    You may find that a reaction or behaviour is totally unbelievable to you, but hey, thats life. Whats the most likely reaction or behaviour out of the two or three possibles. Thats the real question.

    I haven’t formed an opinion about the guilt or innocence of the McCanns. I’ve only recently started reading up on the facts. My gut feeling will probably be obvious from my comments but I’m open minded. Just please people don’t jump to conclusions too quickly. Truth can be stranger than fiction. In fiction the facts always fit together. In fact they almost never do. Why ? The human factor. The most unreliable part of any police investigation are witnesses. Keep an open mind. Consider the facts, but stay grounded. and ALWAYS consider both sides. Now please read the other posts and articles again with this in mind. Looks different doesn’t it ?

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    Helen Says:

    Its quite easy to look into whether the other 2 Mccans are related by marriage or not at all.
    Websites such as findmypast.co.uk or genes reunited.
    Will take a bit of searching through marriage certificates and possibly birth certificates that give mothers maiden names but it can be done.
    I know this as i have spent lots of time tracing my own and other peoples family trees.
    It is very odd to have the Mccann family and 2 other ‘unconnected’ Mccanns working at the complex, its not exactly a common name is it!!!
    I can have a look but would need the place of birth of Gerry and what siblings if any he has to get started… anyone know?
    Then you can rule this one in or out about the other Mccanns.

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    cherry&white Says:

    From what I’ve read, the last reliable evidence for Madeline being alive was
    two days’ before the disappearance, when the neighbour in the above flat said
    that she had heard Madeline crying for 75 minutes.

    As an aide, this is yet another example of the Mc’s cruel disregard for their
    children that we ought to bear in mind, even within the context of what is
    likely to be the horrific murder of a young child.

    The Mc’s have taken some trouble to ease us into believing that Madeline was
    still alive on the 3rd of May: at breakfast on the 3rd, K claimed that M had complained
    that she’d been crying the night before; if so, then the neighbour above, whom
    I’d include along with the dogs as one of the few credible witnesses, didn’t
    hear her.

    Kate doesn’t mind volunteering yet another example of her callous neglect of
    her children, and she even provides an emotional context; she’s happy to trade
    this so long as the public picture Madeline sat there at the breakfast table
    on the 3rd. Later in the day, David Payne rolls up just in time to see K wearing
    nothing but a bathrobe. He remembers seeing Madeline but he can’t remember what
    she was wearing. Neither can he recall the colour of whatever K was wearing.

    This is supposed to be the last time that someone other than the Mc’s saw
    Madeline and it does not ring true.

    I’ll go back to my previous point and ask: when was the last date and time
    that we know Madeline was alive?

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    kittykat Says:

    After reading Kate’s book the most startling point was that she never mentioned once the mark in Madeleines eye……….surely she would want the world to read over and over again the most distinguishing feature in looking for her daughter?

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    Michael Says:

    Did anyone interview the other two kids how old are they now and how old where they then.

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    DaftAida Says:

    Thorough work, impressive! Take a case (any case) and throroughly scrutinise it and the pattern fits hand in glove each and every time. Intergenerational sex-traumatised and programmed slaves to The Great Work. Not one case from Ruth Ellis to Maddy or Hollie Greig is as it seems.

    They have multiple identities and documents as they are from the same networks operating global intelligence agencies. Few know, for example, that Tony Blair was arrested for ‘cottaging’ under his name Charles Lytton i think from memory.

    We play it straight and lose and we cannot play on their level as we’re not in that club and it’s against the rules to try.

    So the only thing which can, would and should unite us is the appalling abuse of children from within the military elite circles and every downwards and throughout the population via media/education/nhs etc.

    When I first saw this case, I knew the parents were instrinsic to the same racket; they would not gain media and celebrity status otherwise. Maddy is one child of billions and the sickening exploitation of her abuse by her parents and those supporting her parents tars each with the same bloody brush.

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    DaftAida Says:

    Remember Rachel Nichol? All the plonker plods had to do was (as the husband/father stated) take the statements from his son seriously through artwork. As far as I am concerned, i gave up all hope of reason when they had the bloody dog there, and couldn’t think to use it in positively ID’ing the psycho responsible. I’d take the dog’s testimony over all the rest any day. Fact is the judges, the courts, the legislation are run by the same filthy ringmasters and as soon as you appeal to ‘justice’ you become a ward of state yourself!

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    Elen Says:

    cherry&white

    It seems quite an impossible task as an outsider not having been in PDL at the time to verify and know when Madeleine was last seen alive,, one can obviously only go by what -witness statements- say.. I do remember seeing a video somewhere of the MCs boarding the plane and Madeleine going up the stairs to the plane and stumbling a bit. Gerry or Kate was filming her from the back. For myself, it is the last time i “saw” her alive. After that, it seems to be only pics with claims about when and where they were taken.

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    Supersleuth Says:

    Elen

    That video you saw was bunk I tried to tell the pigs at Scotland Yard that, they said what video. But it is in the files released by the Portuguese Police.

    Fact if you saw that video note the windows on the plane are low to MMC head, for a Boeing 737, trust me I am 185cm and I have boarded same from the ground, and my head was no where near that window.

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    Gummy1953 Says:

    I have only justfound thisweb site and the information provided only strengthens my feelings that the McCanns, especially Kate, are lying through their teeth.

    I need to spend more time reading these pages and really getting to know the facts of this case better.

    My thanks to all for taking the time to pull this information into one place.

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    The Curious Cabo Says:

    Presumably, you have presented all this “information” to the police? Their reaction so far?

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    DaftAida Says:

    If you’re that curious, you’d go figure. The police were created to enforce unjust ‘laws’ on the people and are at the top of the heap, exactly of the same mold as their paymasters. The low levels are Blue Lodge (little 3′ masons) and their allegience is to their ‘brothers’ above all else. Therefore justice is never done.

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    GW Says:

    The police are there to protect the system; notice how many they can muster up to protect The City from demonstrations.
    Can anyone say without any doubt as to the last confirmed sighting of Madeline? There’s no proof that she was alive on the day of her “abduction”.
    Also, a bit of speculation: why would the police and government protect the McCanns? Or are they acting at the behest of someone else involved in this case.

    Site Admin: You’re absolutely right. The Madeleine disappearance is all about protecting the British Royal Family. The cover story is that Madeleine disappeared on the night of May 3 although there is sufficient evidence to doubt that she was alive on May 3.

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    DaftAida Says:

    1. The VAT.I.CAN is top of the heap for establishing the ratruns which ferry children to and fro unseen and never to be heard. 2. The bastard ‘royals'(meaning hybrid breed) and their Bankset City of London relatives controlling the media, are from these lines of pyschopathic pederasts and all in their command (Judiciary,legal reps, police, Social Services (The SS) are headed by lunatic Psychiatrists, Psychologists, and Psyentists (science) all Psy-ops child porn snuff drug trafficking programmed automatums with neither soul, empathy or conscience.

    3. The UN (one nation) has through UNICEF, UNESCO and charitable Foundations, captured and abused children traumatised through war (UN/NATO/Israel/CoL/DC – et al). So peace envoys, and the sick slave Angelina Jolie are supplying access to children through UN sanction. Maddy could be anywhere, anyplace, if still alive. Some have hinted New Zealand. The McCann’s huge publicity stunt and all who spoke publically supporting them are involved and know damn well what happened and how much the McCanns were paid on the deal. I mean, for Ratzinger to have an audience … clue.

    Kevin Annet has information on how 50,000 children ‘vanished’ in Canada (ER Madge’s playground) and charred remains of Cree children found near the site where her and her ghastly consort, The Greek personally took 10 children who were never seen again. The Greek also has his chum in New Zealand who runs that branch of Mafia Ops.There are indictments against all these culprits but they who may the laws break the laws. They do not make Common Law which is inviolate. They make regulations Acting as law which are for the people, not for themselves.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    DaftAida

    Hi

    I always beleived that abduction on the date/time as the McCanns and friends stated was impossible IMHO.

    Options are varied even a new one has come to mind, having looked at an American cases that match this one, the theory coming out of America for that case is that it was fake. The so called child and family are played by actors, the sole purpose was to set up a non profit fund like in the Madeleine case to get money. Not saying that this happened here but it is a possibilty as that case has a Canadian connection, spookey.

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    DaftAida Says:

    Oh, I’ve no doubt the child was sold for Ritual purposes whether dead or alive. They have this skewed psycology; that such ‘honoured chosen ones’ are sacrificed for a ‘good cause’ which is to highlight the racket but imply that it was a random perv-opportunist. This puts the bejeesus up everyone, creating the fearful environment to pass ever more pernicious ‘Acts’ under the guise of Child Protecton, Rights for The Child; enabling ever greater public support for the State Stasi to steal children from natural parents, allocate them to ‘gay’ pederasts and do the whole, abuse, movie, snuff thing.

    For every Maddy, there are millions of unheard unseen children being traded. McCartney spent a fair bit getting custody to Heather Mills little girl. The going rate generally is 85K for intergenerationally abused children. Kate would have been an abused child herself and forced to breed. Like for example Amy Winehouse, her tortured life and death is being paid ‘tribute’ to in the errection of a Bronze Statue!

    We see the sick abuse on muzak videos, films and childrens programmes but perceive it to be ‘acting’ and ‘special effects’ or innocent cute ‘fun’. People have now idea how say, Jim’ll Fix It (Saville) gained access to millions of children via his ‘charity’, as silly parents have no idea of what to protect their children from when they see it. They think it’s the lone perv!

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    Hugh of Lincoln Says:

    Aida – I’d be interested to see the statistics proving that the Catholic Church is a more likely source of paedophiles than any other organisation that attracts younger people; “Catholic Church” and “paedophile ring” go together nowadays. The controlled press doesn’t set the agenda: their job is to propagate diversions that have been created by their masters. The “abduction” of Madeline isn’t the only untruth: promotion of wars, covering up finanical scams.. sucking up to the Royals… the list is endless. Speaking about the pampered ones, it’s odd that they should lead such unhealthy lives and yet live such a long time.
    I’ve no doubt that, being part of the Establishment, there are some sick people at the head of the Catholic Church; we aren’t going to read about those though as it’s not on the agenda.

    Going back to the police, I wonder who the source was for the bullet-points that were in the newspapers on the anniversary of the “abduction”; there was some pretty weak evidence of more sightings and one from a clairvoyant and the photo of what Madeline would look like today.

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    DaftAida Says:

    The only reason that the RC Church is being ‘singled out’ from and by The 13th Tribe is to ensure the total collapse of the ‘old religions’ through exposre of what the Banking Mafia do daily in front of our very eyes. Albert Pike: Three World Wars is enlightening. The offshoot of RC religion of Protestantism was formed from the same tree; Anglican (GB) was a revolutonary cult in opposition to both. Next will come the Protestant creed for attack, Islam (forged via Vatican) already well underway to collapse; but first used as militia to fight Christians vice versa. All is pagan; look at their ‘gods’. Look at the ‘Do As Thou Wilt’ shall be the whole of the law. Papa’s inner throne has words inscribed in Islam and what does he wear on his skull?

    All Roads Lead to Rome: The Papa/Pope is the front face of the mafia controlling group of the planet; the Black Pope is the hidden true Don. All else in modern era is from this source.

    The New Age Religion is The Age of Aquarius (Uranians) where by ‘gods’ of science at war on nature have ‘perfected’ women/men in their own image. Listed to David Spangler (UN) Barbara Marx Hubbard and all the intelops programmed slaves of the new age movement. Luciferian ‘enlightenment’ through Satanic means = Nazi rulership via communism. Roman Law: let they who will be deceived, be deceived.

    The Policy Enforcers are the front line militia of the 13th Tribe banking imposters who aid their kidnap of people and children. Bankers dictate war drafts; Governments then declare war.

    History. Where did all this begin, this idea of nature and the nature of wombman from which everything derives? As it is the Olympics season; start with ancient Greece (collapse) and Egypt (collapse) :from there the infiltration of Rome (collapse) onto London (collapsing) onto America (collapsing). The Fathers of Democracy (Demon-crazy) were pederast, debauched, wombman hating warlords.

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    Arthur Koestler Says:

    There’s no evidence, let alone proof, that Madeline was abducted; no evidence that she was allive on the day or day previous to the alleged “abduction”; there’s evidence that a dead body had been in the flat rented by the McCanns. However, there were no reported deaths before they arrived. In plain terms: there was a dead body in the room during the McCanns “holiday” (the word has it’s origins in “holyday”, just to continue what could well be an occult theme to this). The same body had been in the boot of the car that was rented by them a few weeks’ later.

    The first question that springs to mind is: why are the police, press and government not joining the dots up? The only sane answer to that is that they are all dancing to the same tune of their powerful and satanic masters.

    The horrible and shocking injustice over Madeline doesn’t exist in isolation, and there’s nothing new under the sun,as has been alluded to by many postesrs.

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    Hugh of Lincoln Says:

    Daftaida has drawn more attention to the Orwellian State: “Child Protection”. Yes, it’s being used to take children from their parents and the weight and authority of the satanic state are behind it. The phrase has as much meaning as “war is peace” or “war on drugs” or “war on terrorism”.

    Is there a such thing anymore as the Protestant church? It does look as though it’s been changed into something entirely different – Evangelism – which is a new religion that just says support our ruling masters. Churchianity as Michael Hoffman says.

    Interesting speculation about Kate who imo does exhibit signs of a strange upbringing. Was Gerry the father of Madeline?

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    DaftAida Says:

    Not really. An arm of the Vatican (branch from the tree) was set up supporting Luther; the Protestant Movement/Religion enabled ‘just cause’ for VAT agents to persecute catholics (see Ireland) in Europe (inc. GB. This enabled imprisonment of people to be traded as slaves, shipped to the new colonies of America in ‘protest’ of persecution later on.It also sparked the Spanish Inquisition by the Jesuits under the pretext of routing out ‘the illuminists’. Despot tyrant Henry V11 had (whilst legally married and loyal to the Catholic Pope) denounced the Protestants. So when he wanted to marry his daughter (Anne Bolyn)to secure succession from any male progeny, he could not declare himself allied to them. Therefore, he created a bastardised version (they are all bastards literally) called Anglicism he was inflicting a creed of law which protected the practise of sodomy, rape and incest. I read The History of Scotland (3 volumes) written by a Reverand tracing the emergence of Christainity from point zero: 2012 years ago from the and how the Vatican sent their missions (army) to usurp the established monasteries and halls of learning I think his name was Hyslop. He recounts the pomp, self-aggrandising rituals and such like these imposters brought. Another great account is William Cobbett’s The Reformation – can be found via Project Gutenberg which is an impassioned defence of Catholicism 1800s (Vatican 11 changed everything later). When we look at the sheer misery Lutherian and Calvinist despots imposed (no dancing, bright clothes, singing or laughing!) we understand the Protestant Work Ethic, in it’s efficiency in convincing enslaved commoners that ‘wealth’ was endowed on the ‘good and great’ for their good and great nature and works! Therefore, people were poor because of their unclean natures and laziness! So what’s changed; blame the victim.

    The King James Version (ahem) of the Bible was produced amid: 1. pandemic of syphillis 2. land lease acts, displacing millions of English into city sewers 3. Inquisitions of ‘witches’ 4. deportation of ‘prisoners’ as slaves to build colonies in America/Barbados/Jamaica 5.Satanic mills 5. to create and implement one common language: New English as the business language of the World.

    The reason I mention syphillis is that it was first recorded when Columbus’ crew and merchants returned from ‘discovering’ South America; the Spaniards or merchant mercenaries were raping Llamas and of course, practised buggery. It is my contention that all evils emanated via Venice and those Merchants of Venice in power today! Syphilis treatment for the wealthy who practised debauch, was silver, mercury (producing a blue tinge to the area treated and blood – Blue Blood ‘royals’ Royal is the tag of any hybrid species of plant, animal,human). The ‘royal blue bloodlines’ have a history of death and insanity from syphilis.

    Another treatment or actual cure came from a South American Tree flower which is the national symbol for Jamaica. Lignum Vitae – The Tree of Life; it’s fruit is the flower from which the cure was derived. So when ‘god’ told Adam and Eve they may not eat from the tree the forbidden fruit, this may be referring to the practise of bestiality and sodomy; thereby having no need to eat the curative ‘fruit’!

    It would make no difference if Gerry was the biological father or not but it is highly unlikely! As Angela Carter wrote ’tis a wise child who knows their father’. Fatherless children provided the Church/State with the legal grace to kidnap children, as fatherless children were deemed ‘orphans’.

    Socialist policies, Feminism etc. have produced a large population of these fatherless children among the normals. Inside the abnormal family lines (Rothschilds) one can and has fathered hundreds of children (egg extraction, IV etc)who are brutalised from birth into the Mafia Banking family business.

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    Anonymouse Says:

    “Was Gerry the father of Madeline?”

    The police know that now. There has been DNA samples taken of all of the family. Even if Gerry McCann were not the father, it probably would never be made public by the police. But there seems nothing to suggest Gerry McCann is not the father. Why the interest, is it that you think he looks too different? Or is it talk, found elsewhere, of that Madeleine McCann was someone else’s child, and that she was wanted to be “put back”?

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    Hugh Says:

    Anonymouse

    In the initial stages of the enquiry, this was one of the questions that the Portugeuse police sent to their counterparts in the UK.

    Whether he is or isn’t Madeline’s real father neither explains her likely death nor does it help us to understand what appears to be a cover-up from the police, press and politicians. Unless, of course, you believe that they are there to do the bidding of their satanic masters. When you think about it, poliicians make an oath to serve HM, not us.

    If the public thought that he wasn’t here real father then I think they’d be less likely to contribute money.

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    DaftAida Says:

    A couple of angles are not covered; one is that at the time of her ‘dissapearance’ there was a major football league happening, with some of the Russian (read jew) owners/managers being in that hot spot of Portugal. Never a mention! In Portugal is a ‘safe house’ for pedopervips. Not a mention. Makes me wonder why as it is an obvious lead and connection.

    And yes, what about all the other children in the family?

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    Arthur Koestler Says:

    DaftAida

    Ahem… I think you mean Khazar. I’ve a feeling that a pedovip with the power to control the controlled press is behind whatever happened to Madeline; someone with the power to get the (let’s face it, heroic) Chief Inspector Goncalo Amaral sacked; and he has the muscle to get politicians on both sides of the theoretical divide to bring the McCanns safely home. I’d be interested to know of anyone who would fit that profile who was in the locality that weekend.

    The time of the “disappearance” is a mystery: Kate is supposed to have changed her name when Madeline was “abducted” when she actually did it earlier in the week; the last time she was heard was when the neighbour upstairs in the flat heard her crying.

    I’ve heard it mentioned that madeline was accidentally killed; for example, too many sleeping tablets. I find this hard to believe because whatever happened to Madeline was planned. My reasoning for this is that both of the McCanns have very rarely contradicted each other; they also appear to me to have been coached in how to speak to the press without saying too much. Just an opinion.

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    DaftAida Says:

    Yeah, well whatever you want to call them, they are fronting ‘jew’ and ‘white’. Kate was in all probability an intergenerationally abused child herself, with no more control over the script than in any other aspect of her life. Women are used as breeders, honey traps and ‘ringers’ under the control of male, pederastic psychopaths. The football connection is worth looking into for anyone remotely interested in football. Dates, names, circumstances are fudged, changed and re-arranged to cause the maximum confusion to anyone looking beneath the media presentation of such. The reason singular cases are brought to public attention is most likely one of blackmail/coersion/warning to others involved in the same filthy business.

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    AK Says:

    I was once told by an authority that abused children are likely to become abusers themselves when they become adults. It’s a sad state of affairs when we have to speculate like this but what else can you do in the absence of any truth from the media.

    “”Dates, names, circumstances are fudged, changed and re-arranged to cause the maximum confusion to anyone looking beneath the media presentation of such. The reason singular cases are brought to public attention is most likely one of blackmail/coersion/warning to others involved in the same filthy business.””

    There are hints at the answers to two questions that should be asked: about why the real date of Madeline’s disappearance has been altered and why has this received more than its fair share of media attention. Horrific though it is, there are thousands of missing children every year. There is an underlined message in bold that the media has to repeatedly send out to someone in particular.

    A different case that springs to mind about messages and coercian/warnings is the example of JC de Menzies: if you worked on the underground and saw what he saw then keep your mouth shut.

    If the soccer owning pedovip was in the area only at the beginning of the week then it would explain why Kate went to such lengths to put Madeline at the breakfast table on the day of the “abduction”. To repeat this again: there’s no evidence that she was alive after Monday evening.

    If the McCanns lived on a council estate then their twins would be taken off them. Another vivid example of someone powerful protecting them.

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    G1 Says:

    The Mrs. Fenn evidence is clearly very important but very undervalued by reportage, and I suppose investigators.

    “Considering that Mrs Fenn’s testimony blows a big hole in the McCanns’ insistence that they checked their children every half hour or less, there is little wonder that Kate was so demeaning in madeleine. The Mrs Fenn issue is dealt with simply in Faked Abduction—there is a full copy of Mrs Fenn’s witness statement to police.”

    I actually suppose that members of the Tapas 9 group, wherever they were each evening, and it always involved drinking I think, DID leave the group, maybe once an hour or so.

    Where did they go, if, for, example Madeleine was crying frequently for well over an hour at a time? Crying that would be heard in other rooms occupied by the McCanns’ partners?

    Either they did go to their own rooms / other rooms in the complex. And things were not as they claimed, on multiple occasions, and things were not as simple as they allege. Perhaps there were other people present. OR they went SOMEWHERE ELSE. Perhaps a meeting each time.

    Or both – at times persons went to the appartment complex. At times persons went elsewhere, meeting. I suspect this is true – both persons went to the appartment complex and things were not as claimed (on multiple occasions, and consider other persons were involved), and persons went SOMEWHERE OR SOMEWHERES ELSE, unreported later. Individually or in pairs, trios or quartets.

    Again, Mrs. Fenn really is very important. Kate and Gerry can be very good indeed at unexpectedly in acts having a situation which might not appear, by each element, conspicuously unbelievable or attract attention to details. But in Kate’s book there is something conspicuously strange, as if Kate could not avoid trying to deflect attention here by something which, to those looking, attracts attention. A well educated GP, married to someone who is well respected in a specialised medical field, holidaying with other respected, and some very specialised healthcare professionals, find some need to say that Mrs. Fenn had a “plummy” voice or accent. It’s strange. It’s character creation for an audience, for people reading her book, the Kate she wants to project for a reason.

    And it’s also a subtle suggestion – a suggestion that Kate who would not normally say someone had a plummy accent, legitimately had reason to find Mrs. Fenn hard to deal with. Kate is inventing a defensiveness.Kate was actually being subtle in her character creation of Kate for the world, at the same time involved in very discreet suggestions of natural character assassination of Mrs. Fenn.

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    DaftAida Says:

    GI: Whether they checked on Maddy or not, I’d say from alternative sources of information that SOS Childrens’ Village (worldwide) in Portugal was a likely destination; these are ‘grooming’ and extortion camps posing as a charity (as usual) they are sponsored by Barclays and FIFA and in the timeframe of her abduction, some notable football mogals were publicised as being at a resort in Portugal. What points to high-level operations of this kind, are the personalities featured with the McCanns’ post-abduction; The Pope, British Politicians etc. It is unlikely that Kate McCann had much, if any say in Maddy’s fate. The women are all controlled; look at how completely haggard she became from the time of the abduction onwards. It is unlikely she wrote a book; it would have been ghost-written. For example, the father of Jessica in the Jessica and Holly murders, was advanced £1M for his book, which he didn’t personally write – hush money. Whenever ‘Me-Jah!’ profiles one case out of tens of thousands of missing children (who never return) it is merely to advertise their activities and set someone up to take the wrath of public hatred.

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    AK Says:

    GI – good point about “where did they go”; if Madeline continued crying then the adults don’t appear to have been doing the checking that they claimed. There’s another side to the Mrs Fenn coin: as there is no record of Mrs Fenn hearing Madeline crying on the night before her alleged disappearance, it makes you wonder was Madeline really there. Especially, as has been noted before, Kate McCann claimed that Madeline had complained about being left alone. I’d say that Kate is creating a diversion and cover story here. It made her look a cold-hearted unworthy parent, at least it ought to have, but the objective of the story is that we’re meant to believe that Madeline was still alive and at the breakfast-table.

    GI – the Madeline case isn’t the only one; the Jessica and Holly cases, from memory, were another cover-up. The bloke who was found guilty should have been locked up but not for this particuar crime. I think names should be mentioned as to the soccer moguls who were present at the time in Portugal. Good point about Kate being controlled; many in the public eye, and I’m thinking of female singers here, are controlled and Kate does show signs now that you mention it.

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    DaftAida Says:

    AK: Why do you think Huntley should have been locked up at all? I know that the ‘Me-Jah!’ stated that Huntley had a record of a sex offence against a minor BUT as always, the sin of ommission was that he was 16 and the girl was days away from becoming 16 herself; they were dating. I know Huntley had a brother stationed at Lakenheath and this was where a known child-rapist and killer USAF staff was implicated; this is where the bodies were found, just outside the fence and the said killer was subsequently drafted back to USA. Remember the crime happened on the brink of invasion of Iraq and as the overwhelming majority of Brits were anti-invasion, any slur on the US forces in occupation of this country would have caused a riot.

    Sorry, the story in the news at that time about some Russian football club owner and a controversy around some prominent fixture were noted by me but on trying to retrace that link, I have been unsuccessful. I hate football and would not have done more than checked the coincidental headline and logged it.

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    AK Says:

    DaftAida

    I thought there was more than one, nothing like the crime he had been accused of though. I recall one from when he lived in Hull and the police at the time couldn’t share information with other police forces. The object of theis particular item was that the poice forces should be able to share, that is, spy on the publice even more. A case of problem, reaction, solution with the solution being more police control over the public.

    Huntley tried to commit suicide in jail and Maxine Carr received a long stretch even if she had been guilty. I recall that there was no evidence against him and the girls wouldn’t have fitted into the boot of his car.

    There’s a soccer link in this as well and the police. or whoever, circulated photos of the girls wearing jerseys that advertised the usual occult symbols: the devil; the world serpent and the all-seeing eye. The jerseys were predominantly red. Might or might not be a coincidence.

    Jimmy Saville has at last been found out. Its a pity he’s dead because he could have told us about the links between his perversions and the Royal Parasites. Not only will he be remembered for his disgusting and horrible treatment of young girls but we’ll think about the morgues he visited as well.

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    DaftAida Says:

    AK: Thanks for the reminder about the football T-shirt links to both Holly and Jessica and Maddy. FIFA sponsors SOS Childrens’ Villages which is a worldwide charity with a home in Portugal, too. It is run by pedophiles, headed up by a ‘mother superior’ and series of homes whereby children are tortured, raped and groomed into same-sex entrapment of prominent figures for extortion. I learn that often, the child’s mother is ‘sacrificed’ in front of him/her to promote bonding with the killers. The treatment of Huntley from arrest to pre-trial was utterly criminal; 3 months torture in Rampton and his appearance in court verified heavy drugging and he had a ‘shock belt’ around his waist. His girlfriend went through hell. Another innocent dupe, like Stuart Hazell and I suspect strongly, Mark Brigden. Tia Sharp, was, I suspect abducted by or for M15 and sacrificed at the Olympic Stadium. On her T-Shirt, was a picture of a wolf to complete the story of ‘little red riding hood’ abducted from her granny’s home. The media story was as per usual, ridiculous. But why are the public so thick as to support the unsupportable?

    As for Savile, he was exposed years ago and connected heavily in Haute de la Garrene, along with the usual bevy of politicos. The latest exposure is promoting that he was abusing girls but his primary, perhaps exclusive prey were boys. He was only exposed because he’s dead, for motives as yet, unclear. When the public think of Savile and what is being exposed, they should take this as a clue; to be applied to ALL in power, all involved in childrens’ charities and particularly, those issuing and receiving honours such as knighthoods etc.

    Leigh McGrath Goodman, a journalist exposing Haut de la Garrene has had her visa blocked to UK/Jersey. Kevin Annett, exposing the Mohawk chldren holocaust via Anglican and Catholic church in Canada, ditto. The Queen and her Greek Consort have been cited in the dissapearance of 10 Mohawk children in Canada in the 1960’s. All living witnessnesses have been murdered but their testimonies live on.

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    ispy Says:

    A great deal of what you are saying has been put forward by David Icke in his books and lectures. He has discovered the links between government, bankers and criminals (incloding paedos) and spent years trying to convince people of these links. It should also be remembered that as an ex-football player he also has links to FIFA, even though he may not be able to name names. I am not suggesting that he has links to the children’s homes, but he mat know more than he can say at the present time. Let’s hope that one day soon he can tell everything he knows.

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    Super Sleuth Says:

    The Fenn statement has a major problem, this being who cried in 5a cannot prove it was Maddie.

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    DaftAida Says:

    ispy: You are correct in thinking that Icke knows more than he is saying, like how he’s a member of Isle of White freemasonic lodge, or how he is handled by a psychiatrist to ‘the stars’ from where he gets his information (endlessly repetitive throughout his books)or how his ex-wife is a complete MK-Ultra slave, or how she has activities with a ‘ministery’ which does the usual thing in ‘helping’ children via a charitable outreach abusing children in Far Eastern countries. He is a mind-controlled disinformation agent.

    Greg Hallet and Kevin Annett are sound sources of information; Sticky, Tricky Icky is not. I’m not saying all he repeats or is written for him is unfactual – the 9/11 book ‘Alice in Wonderland’ was very timely and useful. He’s mainly talking about himself and the shadowy world he lives in.

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    G1 Says:

    Firstly, thanks DaftAida for the insight in the comments:

    – “It is unlikely that Kate McCann had much, if any say in Maddy’s fate. The women are all controlled”.

    Now we’re getting a bit closer to a reality of what is behind this. Whether or not Madeleine was killed on or before May 3 2007, or abducted, this situation was not an independent McCann affair.

    – “It is unlikely she wrote a book; it would have been ghost-written.”

    And written to describe plans mostly drawn up before the commotion in May 2007.

    Thanks also, AK. You echoed what DaftAida was saying in the first point I referred to above:

    “Good point about Kate being controlled; many in the public eye, and I’m thinking of female singers here, are controlled and Kate does show signs now that you mention it.”

    Also, to what you said about the appartment activity on May 3rd:

    – “as there is no record of Mrs Fenn hearing Madeline crying on the night before her alleged disappearance, it makes you wonder was Madeline really there.”

    I have to go further than that – any avenue is open there, and I think the truth leaves anyone looking around that point clearly in the dark. That is the intention. The parents say Madeleine was crying May 2nd. I’ve doubted that Madeleine McCann was alive (if killed) or present (if abducted) before the parents left for dinner that night.

    I’m now convinced that there were “two Madeleine McCanns”, as shown in the “last” photos – 1. the real Madeleine who is in the pool photo (whether edited in or really photographed there; 2. the stand-in for Madeleine who is in the tennis court photographs. So, this would leave any avenue open.

    If you consider that this can be true, then it throws everything up in the air, and the real Madeleine may have been killed or abducted so she may or may not have been present any time on the 3rd of May.

    I first came across a number of people saying this with firm resolution at http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/forum

    I was really surprised at such a wild seeming suggestion first of all, and wondered how those people in that forum got to that conclusion, thinking such a thing far off. But now I’m also convinced. There was another little girl – consider this. (study the photos – Madeleine? No.)

    Who knows which of the two, then, was picked up / dropped off to make the creche records on particular days (that is if those records weren’t fabricated one day, probably involving staff.) And who knows what else was going on, and where, actually.

    But, one thing seeming very clear, there was a lot of organised behaviour and acts associated with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. And it did somehow involve those people, not just the McCanns, who are not admitting any of it.

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    DaftAida Says:

    Hi G1,
    If you go to aangirfan blog, there’s some great information generally and on Maddy. There were 2 sightings of the child; one in France, 2008 in a store where she spoke to a shop assistant, asking for her mummy. The woman told her that her mother was in the store and the child said ‘no, that’s not my mummy. She took me from my mummy on holiday’ She gave her name as ‘Maddy’ which the woman thought was ‘Maggie’ and reported it to police.

    In 2010 another positive sighting, this time in Brazil or Argentina (some South American country – can’t remember). A British Captain spotted the fair haired child sitting with a group outside a cafe, looking unhappy, out of place and refusing to eat. He got within 4-5 feet and made eye contact, noting Maddy’s unusual eye marking. He reported it. Nothing done.

    The photofit enhancement they keep splashing about does not look like Maddy, who would have retained her prettiness and large, sparkling eyes.

    Suspect the recent abduction of the five year old child in Wales for which Mark Brigden has been (I believe falsley charged) may well be another ‘Maddy’; a child abducted to order. I think they call it ‘catalogue kids’ where a child is photographed for ‘approval’ before abduction and sale to the perp.

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    G1 Says:

    Hi DaftAida.

    Something like that may even have been commandeered, forced by Kate.

    1. Gerry McCann is recorded as a sex offender from around 10 years ago. He has a known history. As with many sex abusers, the known part can be the small part of something big, perhaps the tip of an iceberg. His mark on the sex abuse register has been hidden to all enquiring publicly, while police can access it. This suggests he was not working on his own, some people with power intervened. It can suggest something as wide as you like.

    2. The McCanns friends issued a statement to the police of their belief that, whatever happened to Madeleine, the McCanns had been involved in child abuse, with their associate Mr. Payne. They think that this included sexual abuse of Madeleine in the past, before May 2007, by Gerry and Payne.

    3. Gerry is very domineering of Kate. This may have been typcial, or definitive for a long time. Kate can seem to be very afraid of him. It could be Kate has been beaten by him at times.

    4. The situation goes that Gerry has been involved in the sexual abuse of his daughter Madeleine which has worsened up to winter and perhaps early spring 2007. Kate knows, or actually has been involved (and does or doesn’t respect that).

    The clear possibilities for motive become clear.

    5. EITHER
    A. Kate is determined to prevent this from continuing and does something about it. She uses contacts, peadophile contacts from Gerry’s associates (which may involved her actually anyway, and this may be peadophile – cult worship related also, though she decides to extricate Madeleine) to put her in contact with others. These are the people involved in procuring and selling children.

    OR
    B. The suggested situation – both parents are kind of culpable, in sustaining abuse involving Madeleine, occasionally over years, and probably involving other children. Perhaps it has gotten worse, perhaps not. But anyway, Madeleine now seems to be beginning to talk to other children, to tell people of closeness and special experiences. Kate and Gerry agree Madeleine has to be stopped. Or they are ordered this, other people agree that Madeleine has to be stopped.

    OR
    C. It is all cult related. The abduction or death of Madeleine was to do with personal honour and torture within a demonic style cult. “You may not have what you want”, “She’s not yours, you must accept, you must show this.You are for use alone, one of us, alone”. It’s a disgusting thing to think of, to imagine like this. But I don’t think this is unrelated to what happened, at all. I really don’t. These cults really do exists, and include people from all walks of life, so-called lower and upper middle-classes, traditional working classes, very rich people.

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    AK Says:

    I think you’re right about the cults; Moloch was only one deity to whom children were sacrificed; the question is: when did the practice stop? The masses would dismiss the idea of politicians, bankers, and royals and even middle class people carrying on with occult worship and have a mental block when children are brought into the equation. Ordinary people think that because they themselves would never do anything like that then no one else would; so child-sacrifice is left out of the equation.

    After the Savile revelations, it should be obvious to all and sundry that his circle of friends, including William Hague, knew what he was up to and some of them had the power to block any investigations and keep any allegations out of the news. It isn’t speculating too much to say that many of his associates were carrying on in the same way as he.

    Another illustration how the state hides perverts from the public view is the case of Holly Grieg.

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    DaftAida Says:

    The cult and practice never ‘stopped’ it just went ‘invisible’ to the public with the onset of their media machine, forever distracting via the whitewashing of this clan as ‘respectable’ through their very effective PR. At the same time, the public are lured into ‘worshipping’ these icons, thus becoming participants in the rituals (Hollywood, music videos, everything else). People are brainwashed into the meme that the horrors of say, the French and other Jewish revolutions (oh, yes there were!) are babarisms of ‘the past’ when they are not, as any indepth research of all past and current wars, rebel actions, coups, reveals.

    If you watch Bill Maloney’s material (via UK Column, you tube and Pie and Mash Films) you’ll get some rather shocking revelations on Savile’s power.With warnings: Holly Greig is a red herring and now in serious dispute as to authenticity. Yes, these atrocities are ‘normal’ NO these atrocies didn’t happen to Hollie.

    As for Maddy; Kate’s other children are most likely not hers. These pedo rings are like a gigantic world tree, with ever decreasing concentric circles which are all part of the same cult. It’s a top-down disease which, over thousands of years has spread to now being the norm within all institutions; military, prison, ‘CARE’ homes, as in ‘the cremation of care’, fostering, adoption, LGBT being a cover for pedo-rings, charities etc. If you can name it, shame has claimed it!

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    DaftAida Says:

    On Molech; there was a huge fire on 13th September (following paralympic closing ceremony) in Watford at a ‘recyling centre’ which was said by fire officers to be the biggest in recent history, involving 200 staff across London. No mention of it in mainstream media. Why? Tia Sharpe was, I believe, abducted by M15 agents and sacrificed at Olympics; the 5 ‘missing’ black atheletes, ditto, and possibly the contender to poster boy BOLT’s success who was ‘disqualified’ enabling Bolt to win. The entire JewBilly and Olympic/Paralympics was a MEGA-RITUAL involving mega-sacrifices.

    On the Kate and Gerry McCann business, one only has to review the involvement of Pope, Brown and all the other ‘names’ post-abduction to see the levels involved in this kind of activity. That’s all the media is, a show and tell to a completely oblivious and ignorant (willfully so) public.Kate has no say in her fate and it’s high time people stopped getting caught up in the personalities presented and instead, slotted them into the big picture frame.

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    AK Says:

    The public will be unwittingly taking part in a mass worship of occult gods next week on Remembrance Sunday. No question as to why 60,000 died, or as the media would say, without a hint of irony,’sacrificed’ in a single day on the Somme. The other night, the same public were fooled into thinking that its perfectly normal for children to walk about dressed up as what Hollywood deems Satan to look like.

    The satanists who run the world today are of the same ilk as those who financed and engineered the French and Russian ‘Revolutions’. Studies of Leyba Davidovich Bronstein, his financers and his murderous gang should be on the curriculum at all schools.

    Madeline’s horrific case is just one of countless instances of a crime commmitted in plain site thatwas carried out at the behest of someone with enough power to divert attention away yet make millions out of it. I think the word that sums it up is chutzpah.

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    DaftAida Says:

    Right on the money. If people would just wean themselves off the addictions of TV, Hollywood DVDs and cellphones, they’d begin to awaken, to see the mindless garbage for what it is. Have concluded that every single reported item of ‘news’ in the mainstream is simply an item of the Bankster Mafioso’s daily dealings, skewed to appear to the public as an ‘accident’ ‘suicide’ or murder to be blamed on an innocent patsy almost always from among the poorest class; those who read it. Many of them then call for more legislation, including the death penalty!

    The so-called ‘conspiracy’ alternative media is largely funded by intelligence agents and whilst it exposes much malfeasance, commits the sin of ommission; never or rarely providing the bigger picture, the larger deception.In any event, all online communication is channelled via the likes of Echelon, Membury Hill, Yorkshire. It’s an intelligence dream for everything subscribed to, commented on or written, is building up a personal profile for later prosecution. No more ‘presumption of innocence’ ‘trial by jury’ – just a picture with a storyline, public opinion condemns or condones accordingly.

    As for the horrendous sacrificial lambs of war, the older ones with living memory are dying or have died off and since the 1950’s trauma-based mind control has ensured that soldiers simply obey commands, whatever they are, detached from reason, rationale, compassion. Church of Satan and Satanism is now officially the religion of choice within the Navy and Army; remote viewing and attack with drones further relieves the killers of responsibility or remorse. But I do not consider the public ‘unwitting’ just uncaring; made so by 60 years of NHS vaccines, drugs, advertising, ‘edjewcation’ so that they no longer question anything for themselves and if they do, don’t bother to find out for themselves but await the next media installment.

    Parents cannot protect children from an enemy they refuse to see and Socialist Britain has successfully coached them into supporting ‘gay’ rights, transgenderism and anti-racism – all models for destruction of the family, in order that those Pedo’s in power can access the children direct.

    The Talmud too, should be mandatory education, together with When Victims Rule and The Pink Swastika. Yet there’s little chance of this as parents are stuck in a juvenille state themselves as well as grandparents, with the attention span of a gnat!

    Madeline’s case was highlighted out of tens of thousands in order to raise funds for a Foundation (all foundations have to be approved by UN and UN are the largest global pedo ring and drugs traffickers in league with NATO). Also to terrorise the public, as these cases always raise huge emotional and psychological trauma to be fed off. However, the media rarely ever exposes the extent of Social Services manfeasance, the adoption and fostering scams, the closed institutional abuse within care homes, young offenders units, immigration centres, psychiatric hospitals and the deranged charities: Barnados, NSPCC, Childline, Children In Need, Great Ormond St Hosp (GOSH!) as featured in the satanic Olympics ritual and all the rest of them.

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    AK Says:

    The people have the power to make change and the easiest thing to make a start is switch the TV off. The government want you to watch TV because they’re speaking directly to your subconcious mind. Next, buy from your local market not a supermarket, use cash not credit cards. Refuse to pay your BBC license.

    Any organisation which purports to be anti-establishment, even when they’re unknowingly supporting them, is infiltrated by the Peelers. In some cases, the establishment sets up two apparently opposing groups. Islam4UK springs to mind. What was it that Lenin said about if you want to control the opposition, become the opposition.

    I don’t know if I’d want to read the Talmud; I’ve read Michael Hoffman’s book about it which is recommended reading if you can find someone who dares to sell it. Voltaire said something to the effect that you find out who runs the world when you start criticising them and it looks as though Hoffman might be in the right area.

    What DaftAida says about “gay” rights etc strikes a chord as they are examples of Marxist ideas that have been given oxygen by their supposed arch-enemies. If you have two polar opposite ideologies then how come there is so much overlap? Marxism would not exist without the support of International Capitalists. There are many “marxists” who end up with pretty good jobs within the estabishment too, like the former Chairman of the FA, Lord Triesman; farther to the left than Trotsky as he is ex-CPGB which would presumably mean he’s a hard-line Stalinist. I really can’t imagine him running around in the depths of winter on a muddy field hoofing a ball about.

    Both “ideologies” have a complete disregard for human life.

    I just wonder about certain alternative news sources as well because they too support “gay” rights etc.

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    G1 Says:

    Sometimes elements just seep out. Even those elements are generally contained for decades. The people are monstrous in achieving what they want, it’s like they’re beyond or before physical reality.

    40 Welsh care homes understood to be involved with the sexual and other abuse rings, now. For a long time the well known (titled!) former politician referred to as a “grandee” in the judicial review of the inquiry in the late 1990s, was witnessed by numerous people, separately, in ritual and sexually involved murder of young boys.

    The ex-politician’s lawyers are this week searching Web pages for anyone who names him, to bring defamation charges against them. I’m not going to name him. As the same man threatened and I think even initiated at times in the 1990s. It’s the same machine. Savile is very recently connected to the Welsh care home abuse, in newspaper reports. However big these rings were, members knew each other, and of many of the others, if they hadn’t met.

    The Daily Mirror now estimates Savile was likely to have been involved in 900 cases of child sexual abuse. Further, it’s been reported it was witnessed he was an active necrophiliac. One ought to wonder if Savile was involved in murder.

    These rings are very active, very secretive and probably can be large. As AK and DaftAida say, the influence of the rings, though, are very large and very strong indeed.

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    AK Says:

    Politicians and Royals are falling over themselves trying to distance themselves from Savile. Is the dam about to burst or is there some reason that Savile has been “outed”.

    I mentioned ideologies earlier and for me, there are only two that are diametrically opposed yet have a major influence in our lives. These are two books:The Bible v The Talmud. Unfortunately, just as politics attracts politicians, Christianity tends to attract people who have no intention of reading and understanding neither the Old nor New Testament. When was the last time that the Archbishop of Canterbury told the stirring story of Jesus giving the Pharisees a good whupping in the Temple? Why did he do it and what did he refer to them as? He was appointed by the PM (Tony Blair?) so that would explain things. The truth isn’t always a defence so I won’t talk about pedophilia except to say that the Bible doesn’t promote it.

    The signs are there however that, like other perversions, it’ll be legalised in the not too distant future.

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    DaftAida Says:

    The Guardian ran a piece on a veteran campaigner: Eileen Fairweather on Bryn Estyn, Haute de la Garenne, Islington and the whole shebang is a world wide web of interconnected circles with the same pivotal players: Savile like a spider with enormous range and outreach and all he touched expanding downwards and outwards as well. Who cares about names? ALL OF THEM. If they are: Jewish they are Freemasons and as such sworn on blood oaths to protect eachother above all law. Charities, Foundations, Politicians, Judicairy, Social Services, Education, Religion, and on and on and on

    Websties abound with the names already known and exposed to researchers, police and the PTB. It’s almost a farce because there are lists of MP’s and Lords already named on the sex offenders’ register, including Jack Straw’s brother – his son is a major coke dealer. Straw links to Romanian (being a Romanian Jew) Orphanages. The list is endless. It’s just their way of ‘life’ you see? Intergenerational trauma-based mind control through the buggery of very small children and ritual sacrificial murder and extortion. Greg Hallet exposes the Big Picture and names as do some others but Greg is the main man for shock n awe. Go back to Plato, Aristotle and the first democracy which was a Pederastic misogynistic warrior theocracy very openly and nothing has changed, just perceptual management via media and advanced technologies (WMD – bio/eco/mental terrorism).We’ve become duller and dumber via toxificaton and compulsory education. Now electronification and chemtrails.

    Go back further than that and we see that this plan where we are, on the eve of specie destruction has been forged through thousands of years. That’s how long it’s taken these retards to bring us to this point, even though it is now ‘overwhelming’. Well, Gi, if we came from 6000 of ONE PLAN unbroken (but often thwarted) for 6000 years I think we’d have a success on our hands. But we wouldn’t need to, for nature is naturaly NOW. Their plan is diametrically opposed to all nature, hence the slow poison yet none the less effective.

    Names: they abound – it’s almost foolish to pick out the individuals like Savile, Rantzem, Portillo, Heath, Currie, Phillip, Charles, Elizabeth, Hodge, Hurd, Major, Wilson, Mandelson, Blair, because all of those known and unkown are simply the Warburg/Oppenheimer/Rothschild/Schiff City of London Dross Ash-can-NAZI Jews and their various lines to and fro. The problem in naming names is that you’re bound to leave someone out! Still, I’ve sworn no oaths to anything or anyone, so am free to speak the truth as I find it and to hell with it, truly, for speak now or forever keep your peace. It makes no difference in the end whether we are cowards, ignorants supporting the filthy disease or whether we are courageous and strong opposing and exposing it; only the individual will bear the brunt or the fruits.

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    DaftAida Says:

    AK: Yes,TV makes it nigh impossible for cogent dialogue: there’s a solid barrier which takes enormous effort and repetition to break through and then any seeds of sanity planted are lost as it’s switched back on again! The current BBC-McAlpine-Messham staged event (at Messham and victims expense) has demonstrated how hopelessly lost the public have become. They support the innocence of the guilty yet will condemn the innocent patsies for their ‘crimes’. I don’t think it’s worth talking to them at all, still, I persist. What more can one do but be a among the voice of the few and the many silenced in this wilderness?

    Michael Hoffman has done some really good work but I note he supports a dangerous theme parallel to indentured servitude: live-in apprenticeships. Yes, in an ‘ideal world’ it would work, but in that ideal world it would not be necessary!

    The Talmud is evidence as is Manly P Hall, Albert Pike, Crowley, Tragedy and Hope, The Thirteenth Tribe and so on – endless works of the same old plan. All anyone needs to know about the Talmud is that it is a book of law, a set of working rules for power over ‘goyim’ – cattle and ‘gentiles’ – nations which states: sex with a 3 year old is no crime, killing a goy after sex or in any case is no crime, neither is lying to or about in a court, stealing or cheating. The Pink Swastika and When Victims Rule, The Protocols of The Learned Elders of Sion/Zion etc. ad nauseam. As for the collectin of books aka Bible: look at who owns the copyrights! Crown Estates owns KJV as well it might as the tome written for one who claimed ‘Divine Right to Rule’! It also introduced to the multi-lingual populace a common language of middle English. We think in this language – the ultimate in mind-control. The era in which KJV appeared also commenced British East India/Dutch East India (gotta watch those Dutch) explosion of white slavery to build the colonies and the genocide of all native peoples in those lands, courtesy of the Anglican/Catholic alliances.

    Gi: Thing is that these ‘big ringers’ went to the same schools, lodges, colleges, universities – they all know eachother over a lifetime and lifetimes through inheritance. I watched some of Bill Maloneys interviews where he divulges that Savile influenced Begin and the Israeli policies of santions against the Palestinians resulting in 2M + deaths. Really, BlairWatch killed millions, so it’s not just the personal involvements but the bigger global picture. Natural-Born psycho-Killers.

    As Eileen Faithweather’s piece in the Guardian disclosed, the care home/institutional abuse is national and international, not just a home here and there. The scope and enormity of these practises are just ‘too big’ for most to grasp.

    The vehicle through which the final phase of pedocracy is riding is the LGBT supertanker. EU have been producing parenting guides promoting sexual ‘massage’ of the baby to imbue ‘love’ ‘bonding’ and ‘self-esteem’ and this is UN ‘rights of the child’ – everything from UN is Marxist – it was founded by KGB. Pedo-Info-Exchange type of organisation members abound in PTB and their directive is to reduced the age of consent to FIVE. In Vatican City it’s been 12. VatCity, Washington DC, City of London etc are Freezones, Independent States.

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    G1 Says:

    “The current BBC-McAlpine-Messham staged event (at Messham and victims expense) has demonstrated how hopelessly lost the public have become. They support the innocence of the guilty yet will condemn the innocent patsies for their ‘crimes’.” (DaftAida)

    Yes, it’s interesting, now the details of that big fuss is out. It can look something even set up in that way.

    The young Mr Messham at a care home gets a photo of one the principal long term abusers he was subject to (while there were many) and it was faxed to the police. The police tell Mr Messham personally, firstly, “That is Baron / Lord McAlpine”. Yet, at the same time, after being the ones to purportedly identify the criminal to the victim, the same police station officers say to the victim, “That photo is evidence of nothing, and cannot be used. The fax is not clear enough.”

    This leaves the young Mr Messham to stir in what he has been told for years. Even, years later during the attempted trial moves and the Judicial Review, Mr. Messham still holds on to the identification of the abuser given to him by the police. It takes one decade and more years longer still, to when a substantial part of the remainder of Mr. Messham’s has gone for development. So (coincidentally?) it took the BBC’s hastiness during a scandal of their covering criminal information, for Mr. Messham at last to be told that he was given the wrong name.

    But, what is very interesting, is that stories of Lord McAlpine have been published through the Web network for years, and as far as I was aware, Mr. Messham was not the source of these, or most of these.

    I remember well, this stuff was spoken of in the 1990s and before. I remember hearing Lord McAlpine’s name in connection with the allegations of rampant child sexual abuse and even murder of young boys connected with that during the 1990s and before. There are Web articles saying these things, from years ago which you may still find today. I could never forget, from back then, for the Scottish politician had one of the most pleasant screen presences of any of the politicians of any party back then. And so, the surprise of hearing these things, jarring a lot with the very amiable presentation of the man, was sure to stick in my mind.

    I’ve just read a man writing in the Web within the last week that his wife worked, moving around to places including various Welsh institutions concerned, during the very years of abuse. Before there was any mention or suggestion of names and she was aware of things, I suppose without evidence to act. The man’s wife said immediately, remembering, that was “Lord McAlpine”.

    This can only mean,in each case, either a man looking very like Lord McAlpine was the heinous criminal and not Lord McAlpine, or Lord McAlpine really was involved, sometimes or always.


    I’ve no wish to slur anyone’s name or reputation. In this comment, with reference to the name of someone who has been a public figure, I’m merely reporting what has been published in respect of the person, which may be found by searching the web. Then, I’m merely moving to ask the only possible logical question in consequence of the reports and the recent events involving the BBC, Mr Messham and Lord McAlpine.

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    DaftAida Says:

    James (Jimmie) McAlpine the ‘honourable’ Lord’s relative, was defintely involved with Sir Savvy (I mean if the Queen knighted him and he was made a Freeman then who the hell wasn’t?)so it is highly unlikely that said Lord was obvlivious to this, even if in the fantastic event that he wasn’t personally implicated.

    It is in the nature of these clandestine incestous families going back sometimes thousands of years to act in this manner towards their own children as part of carrying on The Agenda or Mafia/Family traditions. What they do to their own who ‘don’t make the grade’ is fratricide. What they do to their inferiors is genocide or history. Knowing this, ensures they can be named. The markers of power, wealth, freemasonry, fraternities, groups, heads of charities and foundations, pressure groups, tribal ideology, religion, position, education etc. are all markers. Aside from those who can be known through this method are those myriad illegitimates placed in public positions, behind the scenes, and most unfortunately among us as are their servants or slaves. Obviously ALL titled people have been rewarded for their dirty deeds on the population of direct benefit to The Crown and City of London, Vatican.

    Therefore it’s not a question of wrongful accusation it is just the way it is and has been for thousands of years and simply, like an unchecked cancer, has infested the body and brain in particular of mankind in order to kill the host. What they are doing to the planet and what we are allowiing them to do is outright insanity. They are ALL perpetrators of child rape, torture and murder.

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    DPL Says:

    This morning I logged onto the web to send an email to someone (of no importance). I did a quick search on Google for something and somehow…and I don’t know how or why, but six hours later I’m here, posting this message as an new-found expert on the Madeline McCann mystery. My rapid research has revealed that the internet has a plethora of strange and oddly people – thankgod the NRA (National Rifle Association) does not have a hold in the UK: we have a lot of grassy knolls in the UK and nutty people to go with those knolls!

    So, Kate & Gerry McCann’s conduct since they mislaid their daughter is nothing short of misfeasance. They would appear to have drugged their three children to make them sleep through the night and not spoil their soiree. Someone, somehow, exceeded the dose and the child died or she died as a result of a fall from a drug-induced state. An autopsy would have found the drugs in the child’s system – hence, the ongoing charade!

    The thread lost the thread and the plot when some posters started posting David Icke as factual source!

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    G1 Says:

    Hi DPL. I prefer not to be concertedly suggestive to anyone, but I do think it’s a good idea to encourage people to open their minds and analyse more deeply. Only with an open mind. None of us, as far as I can actually know, were actually there. It’s good to remember that.

    So, I just wanted to ask you something I’ve posted a few times here, which to me is a real clincher as to one element of the mystery, and I’d say it could be a very, very important kind of clue in itself, perhaps.

    Do you really think there was a completely unexpected accident? Do you really suppose it can be that, holiday going very well (Madeleine’s crying unnoticed for hours or not), one too many sleeping pills were administered by two experienced and well educated doctors?

    With the sleeping pills issue, I think it’s technically unlikely anyhow. Myself, I would take sleeping pills based on anti-histamines which work well and send me out like a light; for example Nytol or Sominex branded pills. The generic anti-histamine in Nytol is diphenhydramine hydrochloride, also found in versions of Benylin – it’s not really an overdose drug for people of any age. I really looked around for people with experience of it one time I was wondering if it were safe if I accidentally or otherwise took more than advised. Numerous sources, British and American, said that I would have to take well over 100 tablets before, as evidence says, things may start to get dodgy and harm might result. (I know, actually, if you only take 4 or 5 of these tablets, you’ll probably feel like you’re harmed, knocked out, they can really work, but you won’t actually suffer bodily harm.)

    I don’t know about Calpol, but I have read nurses saying that you would need over 12 spoonfulls in an evening for a young juvenile to begin to be harmed. To be fair, reduce that by half for someone Madeleine’s age. Are practising doctors – themselves, by themselves – going to mistakenly administer 6, 7, 8 spoonfuls to their daughter? And, if there was an overdose, we’re talking about death, not breathing irregularities and some worried hours.

    Doctors carefully watch everything they do in respect of medication, they’re utterly used to it. They are very careful what they say even about medication to anyone. They know well about legal duties of care – civil responsibility and what can constitute criminal responsibility lapses. Law suits for malpractice have been on the increase, gain attention and doctors seem to be more aware nowadays.

    Even if this couple who at one time decided to visit a particular foreign land, had a couple of glasses of wine each, ordinarily, unless something extremely strange happened, doctors such as these people would usually still remain very careful. Easily they could have had at least 2 glasses of wine with dinner a night for some years, around half the nights, weeks aside over pregnancies and new births, and were very used to it. Perhaps another or so after dinner.

    This is typical professional evening behaviour, and often doctors love their wine as much as anyone. That’s fine and there’s nothing wrong with that itself. But I wanted to illustrate that such people don’t really tend to “get drunk” or feel drunk, being used to this. It would take more, and quite a lot more for serious judgement lapses. Their judgement usually remains good in what they’re used to and some beyond, even of course can improve for a while within 2 glasses, in a relaxed setting.

    The other possibility you mentioned, DPL, was an accident – a fall – that madeleine fell on her head or neck, fatally basically. It’s an unlikely occurrence anyway. But my major objection to this is really WHAT WE KNOW HAPPENED IMMEDIATELY NEXT, SINCE AND EVER AFTER UNTIL NOW (ETCETERA). (The same objection goes along with the accidental poisoning suggestions also.)

    5 and a half years it has been. The McCann’s started very strong and resolute. And remained so. Even though their stories didn’t appear to add up in many ways. Despite all of the descrepancies and evidence such as a sniffer dog, if they concealed the accidental death of their daughter, these people were absolutely assured from day one.

    So I think it’s impossible. Watching them throughout the years, realising they would have to be the kind of people who could SUDDENLY – INSTANTLY – turn around and lie through their teeth, really very well indeed, consistently. Day after day, fabricating and sticking to and widening stories and watching their backs with what they have said and constantly referring with each other and wondering what to say next and how it will fit in with the overall plot and exactly what words to use for new plot areas etc. etc. etc.

    The accidental death cover up scenario necessitates that the McCanns began that pretty suddenly, were quite whizzes at it, wait for it (being well educated professionals and knowing about reputation and damage limitiation) KNEW IT WOULD HAVE TO BE FOR LIFE. To maintain publicly in the face of the world a lie for life. To live it. For example, years later, apply to become Missing Children’s Ambassador after abandoning and negligently facilitating the death of their daughter. Then, over years, taking up so much concern – still all in false characters, telling lies, after a simple, undesired, honest accident – with the press phone hacking campaigns. Even then increasing public profile with ongoing involvement in the Leveson Inquiry to this day.

    THIS – all came from, as I’ve just written, and will repeat – a simple undesired, honest accident, over their much loved little daughter? Have a think. Did it really? That immensely, intense, strong, continuous (minute after minute) facade, day after day, week after week, year after year. When talking to the press, remembering exactly who is being talked to and how and what should be said. AFTER JUST AN HONEST ACCIDENT, where maybe, maybe they were a little negligent, perhaps.

    But if so – and consdering the accident theory suggests they went and are going to the lengths of the ends of the earth to escape a negligent or manslaughter verdict (it’s so unlikely anyway they’d get that – you can just say the little girl fell, for God’s sake), why wouldn’t they just cover it up a bit?

    If they were slightly negligent or more neligent, if they’re the kind of brassy, uncaring (actually they’d have to be rather instantly, immediately pscyhopathic, where there’s no history) people who would say their daughter was, em, kidnapped, surely they could with no bother edit out the little negligent part in her death? Absolutely. Young children do get hurt and do die all on their own. It happens.

    I want also to stress the suddenly psychopathic part. As other people have commented, for a normal couple, after an accident to SUDDENLY fake a kidnapping and possible murder or child trafficking racket, they’d have to be bl***y BARMY. To suddenly do this, being rather normal beforehand, loving their little daughter and her brother and sister. And suddenly, then, no, pscychopathic cover up story after a simple, honest accident, which they’ll happily give up careers for a while (or forever) for, will happily publish very thick books about, happily act out for the rest of their natural lives, happily bring distinguised lawyers and police chiefs to court for libel about. There’s nothing likely at all about that, it seems so very, very unlikely to me. The sudden psychopaths for life, making a career out of it, immediately, instantly after a simple, honest accident, and forever.

    I hope you don’t think I’m trying to show up what you may suggest as silly, DPL. It has been a very popular theory, the one you gave last, over the years and still. It’s the preferred theory of Amiral himself, said police investigation chief.

    But this is such a long, long, long post – and I hope it goes up 🙂 – because I really, really wanted to get across this, what I’m saying. I usually really want to shorten my posts, but actually not this time.

    I feel these points have such an important part in the theorising about what could have and maybe what did happen in Praia da Lux on the week that Madeleine McCann went on her last family holiday. I think it’s a really serious thing, if you’re taking theorising about what happened seriously.

    And, at the end of the day, or life / lives, if the McCanns were at fault somehow in connection with the simple, accidental death of Madeleine McCann, then it doesn’t matter really. It was an accident, a terrible shame, and there’s nothing much to be concerned about. We shouldn’t be concerned really with the McCann’s in their poor, ill, charade of fooling others and themselves if there was an accidental death involving them.

    That latter point can help us put aside the theory of an accident. I feel it has no significance. It’s so very unlikely indeed. And even if it did happen, drop it, it doesn’t matter then, it’s not worth thinking about. Even if it could have been because the parents were negligent in leaving M in the appartment – well it happens. It’s awful. I know most parents try very hard and get very alarmed at seeing such a thing. But not everyone’s as able, and no-one’s superhuman, and accidents do happen, and this is the opposite of a perfect world. It’s a real world, a natural world, a wild world, a random world, a world of some choice and control only. Some have more than others.

    So, after all of that, I conclude, well, I don’t remotely consider there was any accident at all. Whatever did happen.

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    G1 Says:

    … Afterthought / conclusion!

    I hope the people using the site don’t think I’ve gone over the top on that. But I wanted to make the point clearly, that an accident, given all of what is actually known to have happened, is actually the most bizarre proposal.

    So I just wanted to state in black and white the obvious conclusion to follow, to just state it anyway. Because that helps. Here it is …

    If you accept my long argument, the simple point I try to get across – whatever happened to Madeleine McCann was not accidental – then something follows. By the singular, bare argument of the comment above alone, it leaves the possibilities of:

    – Intentional death or abduction of Madeleine including involvement somehow of / by K & G McCann.
    – Intentional death or abduction of Madeleine not involving K & G McCann.

    I think this is a final conclusion. (No disrespect intended to Mr Amiral’s skills nor lack of sympathy for his disposition.)

    To me, we’re onto criminal considerations whatever happened. I really wanted to put this strongly, and, as I think appropriate, to present as little doubt as possible.

    For I feel the accidental death scenario was sympathetically, emotively (though while perhaps understandably, with much confusion, bewilderment and desire to understand with love) adopted by so many people with no basis whatsoever, and totally inappropriately.

    The accidental death scenario is the biggest red herring you could come across. Whatever happened.

    This is very important indeed, further. Because having that red herring, that big, cloudy, woolly, cotton woolly, acrylicy as it adapts, anaesthestizing red herring moving around in various quicksilver like parts within a general conception of the affair, is subconsciously disabling. Even if you do vaguely conclude that an accident was unlikely, as a red herring (for me anyway!) it can still cause a quite invisible stupor in reasoning of what genuinely could have happened. What is probable or possible.

    I know I began the long comment just before, 96, saying to DPL “I prefer not to be concertedly suggestive to anyone…” and mentioned the benefit an “open mind”. Yes, I meant it. It’s a great thing and necessary.

    Still I cannot help stress I must now, for theorising, throw out the accident theory.

    I stress how clear it is to me now that the two possibilities just above remain, and remain alone.

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    G1 Says:

    Quickie…

    After discussing suggestions of accidents, sleeping pills or whatever, and thinking it imperative to rule them out (and I’d love to hear responses / make more discussion), here’s a puzzler for now or sometime:

    Regarding the sleeping pills displayed prominently in the McCann’s appartment after the disappearance of Madeleine, this was or wasn’t intentional. Which, conceivably? And why, conceivably?

    I want to post a bit about the libel trials, and so will do some more reading up on that. I’d hope to write something and ask for opinions in a week or so. No news yet, I think since early this month over the suit against Alan Bennett, and it is being fast tracked.

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    DaftAida Says:

    DPL is a waste of space, Gi. Resist the temptation to respond to those who consider themselves ‘experts’ with no prior interest or broader research. After all, there is enough information on this thread to have warranted more respect for its posters than the ‘accidental overdose’ theory of no substance.

    I waste some of my time responding to the lowest trash media ‘news’ available: Yahoo! because I figure that the vast majority will never get outside the box their heads are run by to check anything out for themselves, so doing another blog would be preaching to the converted and there are so many excellent ones available already. DPL’s comments typify that level and I do not think he/she/it is genuine.

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    G1 Says:

    I’m glad I wrote so much, Daft Aida. That’s the most important point I think I can make about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. I think it’s so important to more or less descredit the accident theory outright.

    It’s a bizarre, even quite absurd suggestion, an accident, given all that happened, and that nothing at all really, truly untoward, malign or even ill, from anyone, was ever involved. Possible? I don’t think so. I’m more or less sure.

    MonteChristo in comment 41 to this same article (back on page 1 – Aug 4, 2011) was reading Kate’s “Madeleine”, and says this:

    ” There are many other ‘tells’ like this – including (not related to paedophilia) where she casually mentions worrying about the possibility of one of their children ‘falling off something and hitting their head’. ”

    Yes, that line is telling, about the whole situation and theories made.

    Finishing my ‘accident equals far too bizarre and far, far too unlikely’ argument, just for a moment imagine there was just a simple, honest, unintended accident. Even an accident perhaps involving Madeleine being given one sleeping dose too many making her co-ordination poor.

    (That would not be a big or apparently threatening thing in courts in itself, anyway. Consider – Madeleine was hyper, terrible, unsettlable. These are two doctors. They knew an extra dose would not harm her in itself. Adults were checking the room every 15 minutes or so, although they were not consistently present. This can be as often or more often as upstairs at home. Yes, the door was in site, ok, though distant.

    In this imaginary scenario, the couple would have assumed Madeleine was still doped and in bed. If any accident hypothetically ensued, there’s nothing so heinous about that situation at all really – and the McCanns would be very unlikely to receive any judgement against them. They’d really be pretty aware of this, doctors trained in what is serious in negligence & care and what is not really. (The UK social services & courts DON’T consider there was any negligence in their not attending the children in the appartment.) If they were not monsters who were somehow involved in the disappearance of their daughter, they would NOT have been very worried after such an accident. It would not have prompted everything that happened since. THERE IS NO WAY IT WOULD HAVE.

    They WOULD NOT have gone psychopathic and concocted a 5 and a half (I don’t know, 10, 15, 20 etc.) year story and life plan after such an accident.

    They would not have lived a psychopathic lie life of immensely deep and complex levels to hide their daughter’s accidental death under their care, to later, AS THE PERFECT “SMOKE-SCREEN” of disguise for an accident alone, just casually drop in this line to the very thick book written by Kate.

    Any doubters must see that this is far too much, far too far fetched. The sudden pscychopaths for life after an honest, simple accident who later concoct a huge hardback book, disguising what really happened, just an accident, within a line of the book text. NO! Not at all! (I’m not saying there cannot be any actually calculated reason why the McCanns did include that line in the book.)

    Come on!

    The accident theory must be buried now once and for all.

    Daft Aida, DLP has just kind of found and developed a quick, deep interest in this strange, haunting, troubling affair, but may have much thinking coming.

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    DaftAida Says:

    We can trust that if there was any possibility of ‘an accident’ there would most definately NOT have been publicity at all, unless, of course there was to be some connived political advantage to so so. The fact that the Pope himself and other major ‘personae’ became involved marks ‘Maddy’ as ‘a wanted child’ by someone or other connected to a very high profile pedo gang.

    As with the case of Jessica and Holly, one of the fathers got £1M advance for a book which was ghostwritten for the purpose.I bumped into what transpired to be, Jessica’s uncle in Sainsbury’s over the catfood section and we struck up a conversation leading to the nature of evil and he told me this. I had related that Ian Huntley was not the killer as far as I could establish. He also said that the father had cut family ties since the book. Hush money? And understandably so, as it is impossible to obtain justice against the PTB in control of every aspect of human life and nothing can bring the children back. That’s as great a crime for me; the injustice of innocent people being framed and vilified by the stupid (wilfully ignorant) public who do not care enough to research or think further than their next soap on TV.

    This McCann book follows the same track; as does the Foundation. You cannot establish a Foundation without high level approval. As has also been established, the birth certificates of the McCann’s other children raise question marks as to who they really are and who they are connected to. He is, no doubt a Freemason for starters.

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    Miss Wilcox Says:

    Wow!
    I am seriously impressed with the level of research you have all done. Im relatively new to researching the case, and admittedly not very good. I am, however, excellent at reading people. I have said from the very first report that nothing about the case added up. That the parents were responsible (it screams from every cell of their being to me).
    Now that I have (slowly!) in earnest began to look more closely at the files and evidence. I feel a little exonerated at least as I have for a very long time been made to feel as if I am a “troll” for not toeing the party line as it were..

    The whole case stinks. Stinks of cover up, stinks of class divide, stinks to high heaven of horrible evil calculating elitist, paedophilia and everything else that only belongs in hell.

    This poor little girl, I suspect and believe, suffered horribly for a long time culminating in her death. Panic among the “good doctors” ensued. A plan was hatched, favours called in and a naive public fed a cock and balls story which for the most part was swallowed up eagerly.

    I am so glad I am not alone. I hope and pray that one day this all comes to light and madeleines soul can rest. I fear though it never will…

    Again thank you all for your hard work and making me realise I am not alone. I’ll continue to plod on with my research. If anyone has any useful links for me I would be grateful.

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    G1 Says:

    “This poor little girl, I suspect and believe, suffered horribly for a long time culminating in her death. Panic among the “good doctors” ensued. A plan was hatched, favours called in and a naive public fed a cock and balls story which for the most part was swallowed up eagerly.”
    (Miss Wilcox)

    This is very believable. To me it seems the most likely of the possibilities in the loosest way.
    However, I can’t help feeling there’s something more involved than the quick hatched plan.

    With the possibility of the plan after a death, you ought to consider within this scenario when the plan was more or less definitely begun – was it during or before the trip.

    You suggest ongoing suffering led to the girl’s death, but I don’t know if you mean death was not, or not definitely, foreseen in the short term, leading to the plan you mention.

    Or if longer term suffering led to a plan which foresaw a likely death. (Or I also feel I must consider somehow that Madeleine didn’t die and was disposed of in other ways, as many newspapers seemed to estimate, but not innocently. Like most still writing their thoughts online about this, I think it’s very unlikely that Madeleine McCann is still alive, but of course I can’t say for sure.)

    So, what I’m saying is, within what you state is most likely, whether or not a plan would have been thought of in advance (probably leading to the actual Portugal trip in itself, “I’m not here to enjoy myself”, said G. McCann, much quoted). Or more quickly, during the trip. (Though maybe also that can have been partly conceived of so as to be ready, for sometime, whenever.)

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    G1 Says:

    Thanks for bringing that up, Miss Wilcox, I meant to say hello there, also.

    I’m realising that central point hasn’t been clearly put on this site by people commenting at least any time recently.

    Your writing suspicions about long term abuse made me put it there.

    That question about when a plan could have been decided upon is probably one of the most important for considering the possibilities.

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    AK Says:

    http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/madeleine-mccann-kray-twins-margaret.html

    The article overturns a few stones and we find the same characters linked to each other and involved in crimes against children.

    There’s an interesting theory about the murder of Jill Dando.

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    DaftAida Says:

    AK: Indeed that source (aangirfan) always does and I find it both fascinating and nauseating that the same old pervs in power crop up continually whilst being promoted amongst their ilk in media as something to ‘respect’ and ‘admire’. Surely there is no lower lifeform on Earth and no greater coward than a Pederast!

    But then again, anyone who has braved The Talmud cannot be surprised that those who promote rape of children as young as three years old, murder, deceit, theft, would be capable of lawful thoughts or humane deeds. Long ago, they declared ‘Jihad’ or holy war against the gentiles and how they treat their own is despicable enough.

    As for Dando, yes, Abel Danger has also made that connection and is hot on the money with Jon Bennet Ramsey and the whole stinking mess of child snuff and extortion behind the LGTB-P Agenda.

    As Greg Hallet says of New Zealand (playground of Israeli-British Mob) it’s a paedophile ring posting as a country. That’s the fact of our reality; from City of London Oppenheimers, Schiffs, Warburgs and Rothschilds to Washington DC/Chicago, VATican City and of course, Tel Aviv. Child flesh, drugs, war.

    There is not a childrens’ charity, foundation or educational body which does what it proports to do, protect children. They are fronts for child rape and murder.

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    G1 Says:

    “no greater coward than a Pederast.”

    In regard of illegal abuse of that type, they tend to know that, DaftAida. Very well indeed. What you say is true and shouldn’t be forgotten, and also the real kind of scenario going on ought really to be known about.

    I’ve been stressing the satanism, the devil worship aspect found at the core of such historical rings (I really mean very recent history, and of course it hasn’t just stopped.) Devil worship really, in truth, is not at its core about wearing frocks, turning crosses upside down, pouring goat blood to chants and getting old, confused or drunkard priests to say anti-services against God. Yes, that happens, but it’s just a tickler. Satanism really means torture (both quick and prolonged, aimed at the whole of a person’s life), abuse, murder, really extreme stuff, many are aware they are involved all of the time in black witchcraft.

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    DaftAida Says:

    Gi,

    What was it before Christainity? It wasn’t ‘satanism’ but Baal worship. From Druids to Yezidi ‘serpents’ there are so many names given to the same thing which is pure misanthropy; insanity.

    I agree that those practicioners of every form of natural rebellion are 100% religious in their focus and practice and whenever this cult of excrement began, the religion has been faithfully passed from generation to generation through sexual degradation from childhood. They simply know of no other way to be and are therefore ‘incurable’.

    Would we not be the same under the circumstances of birth into one of these brutal, incestous families? There’s no way out and humans tend to learn to love the pain and horror of their circumstances for children are love and highly adaptable in their search for love. Unless Law be established (the Law of One – The Law of No Harm or Common Law) there is no chance of resolution. But who will enforce The Law, when all involved are engaged in anarchy?

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    AK Says:

    Satanic worshippers have been in the Church since day 1. Notice that a high percentage of the older ones are built on a hill, a sacred occult place for whatever reason; Cromwell (one of our biggest traitors imo) knew this and forbade it. There are many other signs of the occult in them, and that it still carries on. Lenin said: if you want to destroy your enemy then join them. Or words to that effect. As I’ve said before, I think ideologies reduce to just two: The Bible v the Talmud. You can’t destroy what the Bible says but you can control the message.

    A few policemens’ names have been mentioned around alleged collusion with Savile to stop justice being served on him. I think about the poor bloke who committed suicide in (I think Preston) jail over the Lady in the Lake killing at Coniston Water. He represents the tip of a huge iceberg that appears to involve the police fitting-up the wrong man.

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    DaftAida Says:

    AK: The ‘church’ was formed by Rabbis and the Yorkshireman, Emporer Constantine and from there came the creeds as in their ‘bibles’. Of course their ‘towers of Babylon’ are replicated as symbols of being closer to ‘god’ and the heavens and thereby elevating their power over humanity. Lenin was, of course (aren’t they all?) a Ju* and that process only works one way as those who seek to reform the corruption within the O’cult (as in of the cult) for ‘good’ cannot help but be corrupted in the joining of their sects and are kept at the very outer rings or destroyed if they cannot be.

    IMO: the bible is fashioned from The Talmud but (aside from OT which is blatant) is presented in a highly prosaic format especially for the ‘christian’ goy in order to mislead them, keep them subservient and in hope of the never never whilst the destruction of wombmankind and Earth continues unabated. Look at KJV penned through Sir Francis Bacon for the disgusting King James whilst whites were being rounded up for export to the colonies. Most Christains are Zionists; praying for the destruction of the world and the ‘second coming’ of the false Ju Messiah. It is a false dichotomy (as usual) to play off one against the other as both are from the same source.

    Cromwell was sponsored by Ju banksters and his path was cleared by Henry V11 who started to overturn The Edict of Expulsion (1290). I cannot hear Cromwell’s name without a feeling of enormous outrage for his brutality against the Irish and the start of global export of white flesh for slavery in the building of British Empire to follow the pathways of their Roman incursions.

    As for stitch ups, I think of Ian Huntley (Jessica and Holly) and poor old Stuart Hazell (Tia Sharpe). In fact, ALL media promoted murders, rapes and war are lies in effect to demonstrate the daily horrors committed with public money and misplaced trust and these represent the fraction. Always some flimsy and ridiculous cover story is given to justify the deaths. The public are morons who don’t question any of it.

    *Lenin and Nietsche had atrophied brains due to advanced syphillus – which used to be the ‘great leveller’ of the debauch practised by these El-ite O’Cultists.

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    G1 Says:

    That is a good point to make, DaftAida about persons finding themselves within such networks in a kind of inescapable way. For example from birth or amongst circles that have been thrust upon them which dominate them.

    However, I still don’t think you grasp what satanism in the way in which I do.

    “there are so many names given to the same thing which is pure misanthropy; insanity.”

    But many of these people are utterly evil, and utterly, utterly, utterly devoted to the most extreme evil. “Misanthropy”, is a really inappropriate comment. You can’t even really call it “insanity”, while it is insane, because they know they’re insane, they intend to be as insane as they can be, for the purpose of being as extremely evil as they can be. To glorify lucifer, to torture God and everyone who would come under his ‘side’, and as many as possible, also.

    They also torture themselves, methodically and with surprise – at each other to feel real pain and murder each other in pain at times. Part of satanism is “Beelzebub” or the Lord of the Flies, a kind of mafioso attitude of that if you do wrong, you will also be attacked and tortured for thinking you can have any power or status which is not below the masters, for thinking you can have any free will outside of group decisions of evil and worship of evil as the one mind of lucifer. This is all totally methodical. The “Beelzebub” element is only a small part of satanism.

    Yes, AK, satanists infiltrate everywhere, of course. It’s a huge mistake to think they just remain silent amongst others and come out in their frock wearing fortnightly gatherings of chants or whatever. No, they methodically, planned in group circumstances, infiltrate everything of power, of supposed help, of supposed normality, of supposed health, of supposed good wealth and so on and so on. The police, the government, the mental health departments, the decision making parts of councils, lawmaking in courts, doctors and physical health policy making, and so on and so on. They are methodical in their will to limit, destroy society and torture in society.

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    DaftAida Says:

    Gi: as any poet could tell you, the English language is severely limited and there are no words at our disposal to really ill-llust-rate the emotional tone of of such unwarranted hatred of humane-ity; so misanthropy will have to do as misogyny is a mere stepping down in definition.

    The English language was, after all, introduced and imposed via KJV Bible and as all the major religions are based on Judaism, one only need look to that Cabbalistic Cult to find the origins of their ‘god’ and ‘satan’ (Yah vs Saturn or Jupiter (Jove vs Saturn).

    For pure Evil, read the Talmud, The Book of Law which outlines the roots of pederasty in that it commends rape of children as young as three years old, as well as murder of ‘goyim’. This cult declared war on wombmankind from the start and provided the religions in order to blind and then fool the blind into playing their game of thesis (Yahweh god) antitheses (D’evil Satan) for synthesis (sin thesis) Lucifer Lord of Light (New Age). Hence the ‘expose’ of the Catholic Cult in their MeJah.

    I call them the Bankster Zionista Mafioso Israelati which just about covers who and what they are. Hence the saying that ‘money is the root of all evil’ and as for ‘evil’ I call it the ‘veil’ for they are surely willfully veiled from the light of natural love or anything concerning the Creator’s Nature.

    Yet, what hope for the children of today and tomorrow when billions still play the insane game?

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    G1 Says:

    No, you are right, DaftAida. I tended to think of ‘misanthropy’ in a different way than you’ve stated, and you are completely correct, it was my mistake.

    I’ve usually taken it to mean distrust of humanity and hatred of humanity from that, which make for more disturbed and perhaps sympathetic beings. The hatred I saw of the concept from this word appeared to me to come from distrust and perhaps more understandable or explicable.

    But, as you know and used the word, ‘misanthropy’ does means hatred alone also and nothing to do with distrust, and as I suppose you know, its root is from hatred in Greek, suggesting nothing of distrust. You are correct and probably, in the two meanings, yours would be the more appropriate. My reaction came from how I had personally held this word in my mind over some time, which was only one of the 2 meanings, and probably not from the root. Sorry about that.

    I think it’s fair to say the concept of the satanist activity I was describing is not compatible with the meaning I had in my mind, described above, emanating from or significantly bound up with distrust. Which I feel is a very important point to make about the type of satanism I was writing about.

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    G1 Says:

    I clear up my mistake with loads of quite funny grammar mistakes in my typing! (Sorry.)

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    DaftAida Says:

    GI: Well, for Satanism, one only need to look at Hollywood and the cult of their muse-sick busyness. It really is a load of Greek, hence the Olympics rituals and of course Philip the Greek as con-sort. The GOSH (GreatOrmandStHospital) ritual was chilling and a clear depiction of the realities of what they do to our children; billions watched this, but how many truly SAW it?

    But you’re right about mistrust; everywhere in everything beyond nature is a betrayal of trust, a misplaced trust and trust is the first essential humane tenet to be broken in the ritual of child abuse which is inherent within ALL El-ite Cabals.

    Even this term (as with the term love) is prostituted through the Foundations and Trusts of the Great Coporatocracy. I can only trust myself and nature, that within from which I come, that which imbues me with kindness and passion, discernment and courage, intelligence and pursuit of answers. Oh, and Nicola Tesla! I can trust you too, because you’re honest.

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    G1 Says:

    Thanks for that, DaftAida. I was watching the opening ceremony just because I had been staying at my mother’s and she had been interested and I happened to have been using my laptop and the ceremony was on TV. I didn’t expect much from the director of one of the worst films I’ve ever seen that’s often hyped as one of the best, “Trainspotting” (while I don’t dismiss the book at all in such terms, not that I’m an Irvine Welsh fan AT ALL.)

    But I was STUNNED. I didn’t expect it at all. Spilling the beans. The satanic society. With smiles. “That’s us, world. Look. Love us, or at least, blo**y well put up with us and whoop when we tell you to.” To be fair, this kind of thing is not limited to the UK but perhaps is more ingrained here, and, I expect what it was was a kind of announcing of just how international this country can be – international scum. There is a class of people who get called “international” because they are so lower class, so base and abusive that they seem to come not from any one country, but from everywhere, anywhere and / or nowhere – as is said of the devil.

    I was watching stunned at what seemed to be a celebration satanic elements being inherent in society and I remember I wrote a lot of comments in my stunned state on The Telegraph newspaper online site. I’ll try to find them, and copy them, because that “ceremony” I thought was really, really important cultural event as it turned out.

    … And I don’t think it’s TOO much that people “just didn’t see” the ceremony, DaftAida. The whole thing with satanism nowadays is like “The Omen 3” film – the rallies with crowds of people and “Damien the Antichrist”. The whole point is that people see and don’t react against – OR EVEN COMMENT OR SUGGEST ANYTHING HAS GONE WRONG OR OUT OF THE ORDINARY – but smile and join in. It’s so diabolical.

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    G1 Says:

    I think you may have misunderstood me, though, DaftAida.

    What I was trying to say was exactly that the kind of satanism I was writing about seems to me to be NOT correctly describable by misanthropy in a more understandable form (perhaps) coming from distrust of the world.

    What I was trying to say was that this kind of satanism is very particular and intentionally has NO understandable elements, nothing to show where it comes from – like an abused life or the lack of ability to pick oneself up many times. It is not appropriate to say it exists in or only comes from mistrust. No, it is solid, core, black evil.

    I was saying that you did actually get a description of things right using the word “misanthropy” if you meant only the meaning of this from the root which means only hatred.

    I objected initially to the word because I had always used it in the context of more understandable hatred, coming from or having distrust.

    The satanism I was describing laughs at the possibility of a notion of respect or what might be termed trust.

    These people HAVE NO PARLANCE with such notions in the first, last and every place.

    So, yes, then, you mentioned that this is an abuse of trust of the others – their victims. Yes, that’s right. That’s also what they intend to achieve.

    They are evil, they worship evil (evil meaning torture, as much as possible, involving dishonouring, but only to torture, also involving murder, as part of a concept put into reality of neverending torture). They are not people who have been spawned just from not being able to trust the world, from being spurned themselves. No. Yes, then, they attempt to have people trust them in order to abuse that trust within their torture. They do everything for torture. The ways are unlimited.

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    DaftAida Says:

    I viewed the compilations of the entire ceremonial rituals of Olympics 1 & 2 from those putting together their own videos (such as scrawny2brawny) and others on YT and Morovee, Vigilent Citizen etc. blogs as I kept completely away from any ‘live’ active participation in giving energy to these magical energy workings.

    Hidden from ‘the profane’ as they term the uninitiated, are black works emanating from the Judaic forms of demonology. It does come from a source and the bibles/Quran, etc. tell the story of ‘war in heaven’ and rebellion. The Talmud tells of the roots and practice of of this evil as ‘law’ which must be obeyed. Drawing in forces of nature and the elemental non-physical factors of ‘the dead’ is the art and craft BUT it does emanate from Misanthropy and whatever it means to hate nature and creation. Else there would be no desire to have total control over Earth’s inhabitants in order to destroy them. Those ‘master magi’ enjoy immense sexual/energetic power released during orgiastic rituals which always include extreme torture/death and so the addictions continue as the appetite is avaricious/unquenchable and by necessity as with any terminal addiction, has to perform more gross acts of global warfare to feed its ‘need’. Everyone assumes they’re ‘in the know’ from the Blue Lodge bottom feeders up, but they are lost in the dark. Those comparitively few who know only too well (at the very top behind the scenes) have convinced all others to sell their souls for the false promise of ‘heaven on Earth and eternal life’ which is what is here in any case were it not for this engulfing deception.

    Mind control techniques such as MK-ULTRA ensure NO WILL or individual reason can prevail as all Elite children are so traumatised and thereby traumatise. Where’s it heading? Transhumanism (post human) and The Singularity. Recommend looking into ‘Ray’ Kurweil. It’s all been shown through films such as Avatar, the SuperSoldier types of exposure, synthetic biology, and of course ‘They Live’.

    Anyway, we could go on tossing the dice forever on the semantics of religious beliefs and wordplay. The GOSH and other sick rituals were noted by some of the general public as ‘weird’ or ‘spooky’ but it’s hard to penetrated the entranced state TV addicts are lost within, not comprehending the horrors they support, aid and abet any more than those billions praying in churches and mosques, sin-Magogs or temples. Thus mankind literally preys for their own destruction and TOO many are willing the ‘end of the world’ for ‘salvation’. It’s a pitiful state of affairs.

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    G1 Says:

    Thanks. I’ll get back to you. (What you describe is exactly what and I have understood to be widespread and attempting to conquer the world over the last decades particularly, and being much, much more successful than in previous decades. What you describe is exactly how I’ve understood that to be. You get the macro scale well, and are able to mention essential elements that have ‘come out’, terrible and thick and deep and vast elements – such as MK Ultra – but in themselves, relatively, only very small elements which only typify the whole picture.)

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    G1 Says:

    “I viewed the compilations of the entire ceremonial rituals of Olympics 1 & 2 from those putting together their own videos (such as scrawny2brawny) and others on YT and Morovee, Vigilent Citizen etc. blogs as I kept completely away from any ‘live’ active participation in giving energy to these magical energy workings. ” (DaftAida)

    Did you know that the Olympic Committee were going around ensuring Youtube removed all personal videos made of the 2012 Olympic Opening Ceremony that people had posted, and also threatening legal action for Intellectual Property theft? Against normal people – often just fans posting their self made videos of the opening ceremonies.

    I don’t know if the Committee have given up or not. A few months ago, I remember, it came at me again just how stunned I was when my own country – United Kingdom – got the ******* name of the nation wrong in the opening ceremony as they introduced the home athletes to the world, beamed all over the world. Yes, the team is “Team GB”, which stands for the UK team. Because GB is the international abbreviation for United Kingdom. GB is a country code that does not mean ‘Great Britain’, and only means UK. There is no country called Great Britain, only an island, or three quarters of a nation.

    I’m Northern Irish, so I know this well. I know that “Britain” formally means England and Wales only, but also is a more casual – correct, but casual – term for the whole of the UK. “Great Britain”, however, being a distinct island only means that island – England, Scotland and Wales.

    “Great Britain” doesn’t mean the whole nation, UK. While, again, the national abbreviation “GB” does not refer to “Great Britain”, but the full country name, “United Kingdom”.

    Searching online after I heard the announcer call out “GREAT BRITAIN” as the UK’s athletes paraded into the arena, I found many definitions of Britain, Great Britain, and United Kingdom. As I’ve always known, all (but one) agreed that “Great Britain” never means the same as UK, and cannot be used for a national term, being only a specific, geographical island definition.

    If we can’t get this quite confusing stuff right, how can we expect the foreigners to begin to take us seriously, or try to the get the words and terms correct, when we can’t even get the name of the country right when we are hosting the Olympics.

    Anyway, that is how I found out that the Olympic Committee was making sure of deletion and threatening to sue people who broadcast the demonic themed ritual of the 2012 Olympic Opening Ceremony. I went to hear again that “we” couldn’t get our own country name right when hosting the Olympics, but I saw that everyone around the world had been banned from hearing that again. (It’s funny, the Olympic Committee were even making sure videos were deleted that had the opening ceremony going on on a TV in the background – of users who were filming their home living room or bedrooms, with the TV on during the ceremony. They all ceremoniously had their films deleted – which I think is not legal – I don’t think that’s covered by IP laws.)

    Anyway, perhaps the Committee have stopped deleting the videos and I can find it again.

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    DaftAida Says:

    Well, there’s quite a chunk of history caught up in the North/South Ireland divide and it’s interesting that that only England (Anglo-Saxon) and Wales is included in UK/GB as Scotland and Northern Ireland are instrinsically linked (as per the accents demonstrate – the type of ‘Ian Paisly’ gutteral tone) to Scotland as the Southern has always been connected to and with Rome. Ireland has served as the prototype for Palestine and elsewhere in creating emnity within one divided land. Back to Cromwell the Jew. I think it highly likely that those who usurped the Irish in the North were of Templar stock and this would make sense. It’s Romanism vs RosicruiSionism: Catholic vs Protestant whilst each are controlled by those same masters of deception. As for ‘the Committee’ – just another faction of B’nai B’rith type of control.

    My mother’s family are Southern Irish going back centuries, perhaps forever. My Father’s line are a mix of Ashkenazim and Sephardim Jews going back perhaps forever. Perhaps this is why I’m lead to examine the whole issue – it’s in the genes.

    My ‘big picture take’ on the titles such as UK/GB is that they are corporate entities and nothing much to do with the people who are merely stock and chattels in this equation. Coporatocracy is Fascism and these fascists control people under communism.

    Frankly, when the ‘British’public (meaning People of The Covenant – another Israelite meme) complain that immigrants are ‘destroying their culture’ I am hard pushed to define what they’re actually talking about. What ‘Culture’? One would have to go back further than 1066 to understand whatever it was before the multiple invasions and takeovers. It’s a colony of Slaves (Slavs) and now the theft of the Common Wealth has forced the disenfranchised of all nations to coagulate in this colonial slave trafficking stronghold. It is sickening to see the Albert Pike plans come to fruition so easily with the hatreds stirred up in the Zionist press against the disenfranchised ‘Muslims’ by the so-called ‘British’ public. People ought to read Three World Wars by Albert Pike to see how they’re being set up but then, people ought to read a lot of works rather than stupidly being controlled by the ‘X’ factor.

    The copyright legislation enables a kind of ‘free trade’ ripoff of people’s creative works who can’t afford to fight back (business as use-you-all) whilst unlawfully taking ‘ownership’ of such works and then claiming copyright infringement against any who duplicate them with or without credits. ‘They’ are NOT creative or original and therefore have to steal energy, resources, creations of those who are, putting them to destructive use by means of distortion and contamination.

    As for websites on this particular subject matter (inbred intergenerational child trauma/sexual abuse) AK’s link is THE BEST: aangirfan, although this deals with the exoteric rather than esoteric.

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    G1 Says:

    “Well, there’s quite a chunk of history caught up in the North/South Ireland divide and it’s interesting that that only England (Anglo-Saxon) and Wales is included in UK/GB as Scotland and Northern Ireland are instrinsically linked (as per the accents demonstrate – the type of ‘Ian Paisly’ gutteral tone) to Scotland as the Southern has always been connected to and with Rome. ”

    (DaftAida)

    A bit of a tangent to the missing child affair, but anyway, I don’t think you’ve got things right, considering I mentioned the ‘mistake’ or whatever in The Olympics, not even getting the name of our contry correct when announcing to the world.

    First of all, what I was talking about was not ancient history, but about now. Some people always think of history when looking at parts of this nation instead of the bare, plain, irrefutable truth of what it is (and indeed, has been – see next paragraph). Of just what is, with no sentimental, emotional or dream-like connections which really aren’t anything to do with the bare, sensible facts of what a place is.

    Secondly, it’s nigh on a full century that our country has been fully the way it is now, the nation which is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or United Kingdom, UK. Since 1921. There haven’t been changes in what the nation encompasses in those 92 years, of the four regions. So getting lost in history might seem to ignore a lot of time, really a lot, during which things have been normally, boringly, just as they are, with no changes. And, as now, as by how things stand, no changes “on the cards” either, to be discussed. The other thing is that it wasn’t new that we in Northern Ireland were British in 1921, no, we had been for a long time, and the whole of the island of Ireland was British, part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, before 1921.

    DaftAida, I should clear up your basic mistakes:

    “only England (Anglo-Saxon) and Wales is included in UK/GB ”

    United Kingdom doesn’t mean England and Wales. United Kingdom is the name of the full nation which encompasses England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. (Also why call England Anglo-Saxon when there were Normans, the Danelaw peoples, Anglicans from before and during the Anglo-Saxon invasions, and many Nordic peoples, typically more not Danish than Danish who were more prevalent further south, especially in the North-East. There were some more French than the Normans. But anyway, is it such a good thing now to get so lost in the past? England is more multi-cultural now than anywhere other part of the world I’ve lived in, I think. That’s how and what it is.)

    (The word ‘Britain’ formally – geographically and in regional administrative law terms – means only England and Wales. However a different meaning of this word ‘Britain’ has also been used to mean, casually, the whole of the United Kingdom – England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. They’re two different words, completely, with the same spelling – ‘Britain’.)

    Northern Ireland has NO connection with Scotland WHATSOEVER except in as much as NI has the same connection with England and with Wales, as one of the four regions of the United Kingdom. It is all in the full name of the nation – again, The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Yes, many of the settlers to these counties of then very low populations were Scottish, and many were English. I think more Scottish than English. There are historical connections of people, but there is extra political connection between Scotland and Northern Ireland than between NI and anywhere else in the nation.)

    (Again, Great Britain, is a geographical term only, meaning an island, on which lies the mainland parts of the three UK regions England, Scotland and Wales. I forgot to add in the last comment the term Great Britain, as it is just the island, doesn’t include the islands of England, Scotland or Wales.)

    “as the Southern has always been connected to and with Rome.”

    The Republic of Ireland, or Eire, is a foreign country to where I come from, always has been and always has been during my life and that of my parents, one of whom died at 80 a few years ago (who happened to have dual nationality through one of his parent’s being from the Republic of Ireland, which Irish law meant wasn’t passed on to me when I was born.) It does not have any political ties to Rome at all. It, like many European and non European countries, declares it has a nominal national religion which is Roman Catholic. Eire is no more politically connected with Rome (actually you mean the Vatican State which is foreign to Italy politically), than France, Spain, Portugal, Poland, Slovakia etcetera are. The nominal national religion in our country is Protestant, Church of England, which also does not mean we have any political ties to a foreign country.

    Though, in a way you may be right about Eire unofficially being kind of “under” The Vatican. Only within the last few years, the Prime Minister of Eire spoke out against The Pope. And it was a very rare thing to behold, not just because those herds of cattle down there seem never think for themselves and do and think whatever the child molesting church hierarchy tell them. But also rare because it seemed like someone actually was alive down there rather than in a brainwashed cult. I’m not sure if one can conclude.

    “My ‘big picture take’ on the titles such as UK/GB is that they are corporate entities and nothing much to do with the people who are merely stock and chattels in this equation. ”

    That’s Ok, that’s how you’re entitled to feel, and it may be understandable – especially with all the ridiculous, confusing terms – like ‘Britain’ having 2 meanings, like “GB” abbreviation officially not meaning Great Britain the island, but United Kingdom the nation.

    Another one is the nationality / citizenship description discrepancy in this country. On your passport you will probably find that it says “Nationality: British Citizen”. A lot of people pretend this makes sense – it does not.

    It may be understandable you feel that way DaftAida. But I think it’s a good idea to run by you that you should not let the kind of thing you mention deter you from working out exactly what are the national and regional meanings of the terms and so on of the place you come from. Otherwise – whether you respect the terms or not – those behind the confusions and who could be behind the theft of real, solid meanings will have “won”. They will have deterred you from making basic sense out of the meaning of where you live and come from. I think everyone ought to work out the meanings, the basic meanings, and not be mistaken. For, though many of the decisions were made many years before my birth, I really can’t help coming to the conclusion that, as the Queen more recently said, “dark forces” were then at work also, in creating the nonsense of confusions so people don’t even want to take their own place seriously. It may be very hard to, I know. But I feel it’s better to cut through the ill intentions and grapple with the meanings and be sure rather than lost. Like you said about the vacant, impressionable people watching the demonic styled ceremonies, who watch anything, where this is calculated. Maybe – take a breath and casually catch a grip on yourself and work things out and try to remember. It is really annoying to hold all of the contradictions of the words and so on of this nation.

    Our neighbouring nation, Eire – the Republic of Ireland were and are at it also. When the geographical, non-political word for the whole of the island is the word “Ireland”, they ended up by having their country, only part of the island – now for nearly a century and probably many years beyond – also most often referred to as “Ireland”. Meaning not the island Ireland, but the country that’s most of but still just a part of the island. Ba*****s. Why do that? The people of these isles really knew how to make people here and all over the world angry and confused. It’s diabolical.

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    AK Says:

    I too was confused by the name “Team Britain”; Northern Ireland is as much the part of the UK as is anywhere else but it isn’t a part of the geographical entity that is Britain. The whole of Ireland loses its identity when when we extend that to the “British Isles”. Its really “Britain and Ireland.” Corporations, and the BBC are guilty of this, mix up politics and geography by using the misleading-term “UK & Ireland”.

    The Israelites are not ancestors of today’s Israelis, so who are they? While we’re on an Ireland theme, check out the Northern Ireland flag; the Stone of Scone, Declaration of Arbroath. The Israelites found their way to Scotland via Ireland. The word “scot” has its origins in Scythia. The Union Jack means the flag of Jacob. It’s worth noting that the first translation of the Hebtew Bible into (Middle) English was by William Tyndale, who said that Hebrew was like Anglo-Saxon. I was surprised by this but as well as being a brilliant scholar, Tyndale was a linguist.

    http://home.iprimus.com.au/sevenstars/meaning%20of%20our%20flag.html

    Daftaida, I think Cromwell, William III and Churchill were our biggest traitors. I can’t put them into any particular order. Cromwell knew about the infiltration of the church by satanists though.
    At a guess, I’d say that 95% of the Christian Religion is there to hide the meaning of the Bible from us. I know many would say that, but ask yourself this: when was the last time you heard the story of Jesus in the temple, whipping the moneylenders? Even if you’re not religious, there is a very good reason that our Establishment-controlled church want that to be kept quiet.

    I’m going to highlight the next bit ********will someone get the MODERATOR to reply to my email that I keep sending************** thanks.

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    G1 Says:

    The 2nd last paragraph of the 1st section should end:

    but there is *** NO *** extra political connection between Scotland and Northern Ireland than between NI and anywhere else in the nation.

    What a lot to write, but it came really quickly indeed.

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    AK Says:

    Eireann is cognate with Iran, meaning Aryan. The Aryans probably originated in Caucasia and spread around the world. Not just what is now India, where they were absorbed into the local population.

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    DaftAida Says:

    I will make a few points to ‘cut through’ the cud of the confusion. I was born in England, therefore it is of England, the land to which I rightfully belong but could just as easily been born anywhere else. Therefore, my allegience lies with the Earth and her peoples.

    My understanding of the Vatican/Jesuit domination of the Southern Irish peoples (‘cattle’ indeed or ‘goyim’ perhaps is your reference? Either way, a bigotted/pignorant comment as if the Northerners are any ‘better’) is from material written over 2000 years of time and is irrefutable.

    To claim that Southern Irish Catholic-dominated terror-tories have no ‘Roman’ connection is evidently invalid. Again, the Scottish/Northern Ireland connection is valid and can be heard in the accents of those inhabitants today for those with ‘ears to hear’. Also, at Cromwell’s time, the Northern Kings and landowners where chucked out and either killed or bound up for the colonies of Barbados, Kingston or Virginia as were so many of their Southern couterparts. Today, as has been from the start, the IRA factions are merely M16 and those of the North are M15. Surely you’ve figured that much out?

    If you imagine that the Anglican/Prostetant cult is any less culpable of child rape and sacrifice, then it is YOU who are the mindless cattle. Lutherian Protestantism was devised to undermine the Universal Religion of Catholicism (it’s meaning) and power. The Puritans, Calvinists and all those factions were but offshoots of ‘opposition’ to be used to enslave the people into ‘the work ethic’ of slavery in the colonies. There are long standing genocidal claims to be settled over Her Majesty’s genocide of the Mohawk tribes in Canada to give ONE example of ‘Protestant’ purity. They are every bit as corrupt as the Catholic cult and of the same tree of evil rooted in The Vatican.

    The roots and formation of the KJV shouts loud and clear as to the evils claimed in the ‘divine right to rule’ for King James was reviled by all for his disgusting habits and lifestyle as a bestial pederast and torturer.

    It is not true that there have been ‘no changes’ since 1921 in UK unless you are sleeping and blind.

    I have little interest in the corporate designations of this vs that title of ‘Great Britain’ GB or UK as it’s all pretty much meaningless amid the thousands of such corporate designations. Suffice to say that Crown Estates/City of London owns at least one sixth of the Earth under HM’s title alone.

    The Mejah! are delighting in ‘outing’ the Catholic Church as the only faction involved in pederasty, whilst the Anglican/Protestant and Rabbinical/Judaics (source of all imposed religions) carry on regardless without a slur.

    I’m sorry, but you are simply too narrow and uninformed for me to continue a dialogue with if you call humanity South of the Irish border ‘cattle’/Goyim. This generally happens when I make a statement of trust, my eyes are soon opened to the truth of the matter! It’s a reliable method or ‘test’. I also find your remarks generally partronising without merit.

    If you care about the issue of child terrorisation, that alone would open your eyes to the scale and depth of this method of power and control intergenerationally and internationally which makes NO distinction of colour, religion or region.

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    G1 Says:

    It’s really, really confusing, AK, and I hope only to help, therefore.

    You’ve got more correct than a lot of people do, but there are some mistakes.

    “I too was confused by the name “Team Britain”; Northern Ireland is as much the part of the UK as is anywhere else but it isn’t a part of the geographical entity that is Britain. The whole of Ireland loses its identity when when we extend that to the “British Isles”. Its really “Britain and Ireland.” Corporations, and the BBC are guilty of this, mix up politics and geography by using the misleading-term “UK & Ireland”. ”

    (AK)

    – The geographic entity of “Britain” doesn’t include Scotland. (Wait for it – unless it ALSO includes Northern Ireland.)

    “Britain” means only England and Wales, properly, formally.

    There is another word, Britain, which is also used to mean the whole country of the UK, it is used as a national term. Tony Blair used to use it to mean the whole UK. It was quite popular in the 1980s and early 90s to mean the whole UK. It’s still used like that, but not as much.

    You may not believe it. It IS really confusing. “Britain” properly means only England and Wales. But the term is also used to mean the whole nation – A DIFFERENT WORD – including Scotland and Northern Ireland. You have to appreciate it’s a different word, and not a formal or very proper word in the 2nd meaning, only a casual meaning, still correct though, unfortunately.

    Yes, also, there are some definitions (which I think have arisen out of confusion only) that take “Britain” in this 2nd casual sense to mean what is meant exactly by “Great Britain”.

    “Great Britain” means the island – mainlands of England, Scotland and Wales. (The more uncommon use of the 2nd, casual definition of “Britain” by a few people is all the more annoying because properly “Britain” means the smaller part of the island, England and Wales only, hence the use of “Great Britain for the whole of the mainland island.)

    “The whole of Ireland loses its identity when when we extend that to the “British Isles”.”

    Yes, I know it’s really annoying, like everything in the terms here. However, it’s worth pointing out that this is a correct term, “British Isles”. If you remember that it’s totally non-political, has nothing to do with the nations that it includes. The two nations may as well be called Egypt 2 and Greece 5, but the islands are called “British Isles”. It doesn’t mean to say they’re British at all. That one is, and one partly is has nothing to do with it – it’s a geographical term now from an old age, purely geographical now, words only.

    “Its really “Britain and Ireland.””

    Yes, Ok, if you mean the casual use of “Britain” to mean the whole of the UK, and “Ireland” to mean only the nation, or Republic of Ireland, Eire.

    (Otherwise, if you mean “Ireland” as in the whole island, you’re leaving Scotland out of things.)

    “using the misleading-term “UK & Ireland”. ”

    I think that’s fine, actually, AK. There’s nothing wrong there, while because of all the confusions in the terms, you might have wrongly assumed there’s something wrong.

    But you have to be able to say “UK and Ireland”. You’re meaning two nations, in that respect, the UK and the Republic of Ireland.

    The Republic of Ireland is more usually referred to as just Ireland – meaning the nation, not the island. Because most of the world talks in national names and not geographical names, it happens that the use of the word “Ireland” by corporations like the BBC is much more usual to mean the country. People just do use the word “Ireland” to mean the nation and not the island, including, mostly the national people of Ireland.

    It’s perfectly fine to say “UK and Ireland” in cases when you are to mean the two distinct countries together. It just means UK (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland) and the Republic of Ireland.

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    DaftAid Says:

    Hi AK!
    Above comment was specifically regarding GI.

    Thanks for your links and comments which are at least valid and interesting and I’ll look into this and comment back. We’re on a similar level of understanding. I’m sure you know that all Flags have to be approved by HM’s corporations.

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    G1 Says:

    “To claim that Southern Irish Catholic-dominated terror-tories have no ‘Roman’ connection is evidently invalid. Again, the Scottish/Northern Ireland connection is valid and can be heard in the accents of those inhabitants today for those with ‘ears to hear’. ”

    I used the term cattle to denote a kind of connection – an allegiance – with The Vatican, DaftAida. But I was really pointing out there is no OFFICIAL, political connection. Anything else is a matter of what you kind of find yourself and throw together in ways that might make sense to you. If you can muster enough evidence, it may make sense to other people, also.

    As I said, many settlers in what became the modern Northern Ireland were Scots. Going back in time further before then, a long, long time – yes, there were connections we know, for one thing because the language was the same.

    So, as I said, there are historical connections. This might be behind what you find similar in accents. (Perhaps as some people may find accents in parts of Norway and parts of Sweden similar). Accents are accents and only accents and what you think perceived similarities mean means what you think they mean and what they do mean means what they do mean. To me, accents or the perceived lack of them never mean anything in this world.)

    The only point I was making is that there is NO official connection now between Scotland and Northern Ireland now which is distinct from the basic national connection which includes England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. None whatsoever.

    Maybe you are right to delve into the past so much. For me, I attatch nearly no importance at all, usually, with historical facets that kind of exclude the modern world. Yes, there may be some people who dwell upon them and are obsessed with them and kind of live by them. But I’m not even sure I really want to know about that, it’s so irrelevant to what could be meaningful at all in the modern world.

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    G1 Says:

    Sorry, that last comment might seem disrespectful or that it doesn’t fully appreciate what you have been saying.

    I realise that a lot of the point of what you were saying is about that there are people who base their whole concept of the modern world (often a kind of denial and even hijacking of the modern world) upon “things of the past” – peoples, cultures that aren’t evidently seen, old relations, families, certain preferences.

    I wasn’t trying to say that it’s irrelevant to discuss that with certain topics, and including topics about child abuse, torture and kidnapping, and private, organised social deviance and manipulation more generally (given many allegations about rings which have been made).

    Sorry if it seemed that it was. My main thought was that those people seem so irrelevant to me to this world and this time that I find it hard to dwell upon thinking about them for more than very short times.

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    DaftAida Says:

    AK: Indeed, the ‘jews’ are unique in having humiliated, tortured and murdered their Messiah for not being ‘good enough’ for them! Jesus was a Jew who (sticking to the narrative here) dedicated his short life into attempting to raise the barbarians from a purely physical exploitatitive mode of existance, into a humane and spiritual understanding that Creation and Creator (or The Father) was not contained in money, did not require blood sacrifice of either humans or animals.

    No, he was not the bloodthirsty tyrant these Pharisees and scribes desired. Having murdered their Messiah, the Rothschild clans and cults have misled the Jews into eternally seeking ‘him’ to ‘come’ and fulfil the Messianic promise (threat) of ruling the world from Jerusalem and enslaving all non-Jews. It’s a totally crazy gig, but no more or less to be expected from a psychopathic serpent seed.

    It is noteworthy that the Mosaic Laws (Commandments) are about obeyance to a ‘LORD’ and the most important law, that of ‘thou shalt not kill’ came a poor 13th on the list of commands. When Jesus was asked what were the most important laws to follow, ‘love they neighbour’ was second only to ‘love god with all your heart’: if you love one, surely you love the other as an expression of the one. Ah, but the Rabbids and their Talmud had a way around this, in that only fellow JEWS were ‘neighbours’ and such laws did not apply to the ‘goy’.

    As for the original books (bible) I read a three volume tome entitled ‘The History of Scotland’ written in the 1800s by a Reverand which certainly more than hints at the wealth of useful information (on natural science) contained. Always thought it somewhat remiss of ‘God’ to give mankind a book which gives NO useful information as to how to cultivate soil, seeds or make good use of the abundance of nature. The NT at least gives guidance on right relationships with eachother.

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    G1 Says:

    … While, of course, I am still very interested where connections to the disappearance of the child Madeleine McCann are to be concerned, or similar events. I can make myself interested in what I would otherwise find hard to be interested in.

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    G1 Says:

    Maybe I didn’t explain myself too well.

    DaftAida, you objected strongly to me using the term “cattle” about Irish national people. I did not intend to sum up their existences in this one word. It was more a kind of casual reference. However it is very serious. Many, many Irish nationals themselves will tell you that their country is full of cattle, falling down in obeyance at any word any member of the Irish clergy issues – whether a clearly good word or a palpably disrespectful, harmful, ridiculous word. I also used the word “cattle” as I would, at some times in history – partly now in some places – to denote a rather blind, very unquestioning indeed allegiance to The Vatican as of ANY country. I can use the word to denote identifiable elements in France, particularly Spain, Italy of course, certainly Malta, and so on. Very much Poland – don’t forget Poland.

    I wasn’t using any term to single out Irish people, but, also, the term “cattle” in this sense which pervades nominally RC nations I have found is particularly attributable to the Irish Republic. There’s nothing I can do about it, I consider myself pretty analytical at least. God, I read in the national newspaper frequently enough journalists from the usually rather or very cattle minded national newspaper “The Irish Times” break out and suggest the country is full of cattle. It’s no arbitrary thing, actually. I’ve read the independent minded Irish writers say it FREQUENTLY. Being honest. Which is no mean feat down there – they’re likely to be set upon, excluded, featured in priests’ sermons which might make appeals to politicans, school teachers and so on. It’s thick. It’s thick there. You know, when condoms and so on were outlawed. When 20 and 30 somethings were socially stigmatised for asking for condoms. Just a small example of a huge thing. When I grew up, my family had a holiday home at the coast in the Republic of Ireland, and I learned that. (I’d say, for years I spent around one third of each year in that country. To extents, I grew up there.) I’m not arbitrarily suggesting it or wishing it or saying something to be prejudiced. It’s only judicial – no prejudice involved.

    (And it was you, DaftAida, you claimed in the first instance of some connection between the Irish Republic and Rome. Other than this allegiance born out in the country being very cattle like, what on earth did you mean then? For, as I’ve pointed out, there is no official connection.)

    Anyway, I’m a bit tired of being out on a tangent.

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    G1 Says:

    One last thing – you have made these assumptions, DaftAida, which have nothing to do with what I was writing, thinking or who I am.

    “If you imagine that the Anglican/Prostetant cult is any less culpable of child rape and sacrifice, then it is YOU who are the mindless cattle.”

    (DaftAida.)

    I didn’t suggest that the Protestant cults were or are any more or less culpable of child abuse. I am not Christian myself, don’t like any cults, and also, thankfully, have got over my personal, silly, romantic, wishful, youthful fascination with other strange, mostly eastern cults such as Buddhism. And the whole this branch of the supposed same cult / that branch of the same supposed cult (RC / Protestant or whatever) detractory battles just kills me, and I tend to leave it always alone if I can.

    However, I don’t think the evidence suggests that child abuse has been as legion worldwide and in Europe amongst Protestant churches’s clergy than the RC church’s clergy.

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    G1 Says:

    While, I apologise if I am jumping at you, I should say this. OK, it is a valid, relevant and very good thing to point out that it can be a mistake to assume that abuse of certain kinds, or domination by it and other means, is an unheard of or scarce thing within Protestant churches in certain places.

    Yes, I didn’t mean to jump back, but you did tell me that I was the kind of person that you would refuse to engage in dialogue with when I thought I had made a perfectly reasonable comment. As I’ve stated, it’s from my own experience, experience over decades of the Irish Republic – time spent in it, amongst Irish people, and time spent outside of it, here in the UK but often reading. My parents used to get both Irish and British dailies. I’ve kind of stopped reading the newspapers now – they’re hard to like anymore. Gone Stepford all over. Sometimes I’ve thought I’ve never come across a more Stepford type paper than “The Irish Times” – amazingly anaesthetised. I’m not saying British broadsheets are any good – times in the last decade I was sure some broadsheet titles must be amongst the worst in the world.

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    AK Says:

    Daftaida- The whole point about this website is that we don’t believe the “narrative” that was offered by the mainstream media about Madeline. Madeline’s unexplained disappearance, as we know, didn’t happen in isolation.

    There are two common themes that occur throughout this thread: We’re ruled by an evil clique; we’re not told the truth. The same people that tell you that Jesus was a jew will also vary the argument to undermine Christianity by telling you He didn’t exist. .

    The fact that Jesus lived in Judah, doesn’t mean He was jewish (which he wasn’t by any definition); the term, as far as I can tell, is a retrospective one applied to Edomites; later to include Khazars who converted to Judaism.

    If I can sum things up I’d say there are two sides of the same coin, Marxism and Capitalism, led at the tiny apex by one particularly evil individual. If you look beyond some the sanitised censored news behind Iraq or think about the bombing of Dresden you’ll understand that these people are not “human” by our definition. The blue-print for a future nightmare society can be seen in action in occupied Palestine.

    Madeline’s case vividly illustrates the collusion among politicians, media, police etc as do the rest of the untruths about evolution, 911,7/7 climate-control, tax, legislation, health, wars. If we’re lied to about one thing, what about everything else?

    A good author to read is Charles A Weizmann, in particular his book Who is Esau/Edom. The only force capable of stopping “them” is Chrisianity. In this democracy we live in, the police infiltrate any organisation, no matter how well-meaning they might be, that is deemed a threat to our rulers. Beware of state-setups too like the EDL, BNP, UKIP and Islam4UK.

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    DaftAida Says:

    OK. To summarise: The Protestant/Anglican/Baptists cults are EVERY BIT as involved in child rape, torture and sacrifice as their Catholic buddies and always were. The ‘cattle’ you refer to in Southern Ireland are indistiguishable from the ‘cattle’ of Norther Ireland and mainland UK, with their sychopantic fawning over the Mafia Rothschild cults heading up both Church and State; sitting pretty on the throne. The British forces refer to Irish as ‘Niggers’ btw as it was a term applied to any demeaned peoples by slavery.

    The only distinction between Jewish, Catholic (often one and the same – the Pope wears a Kamulke, after all) and Protestant mob dons is that the Zionist press attacks the Catholic cult exclusively, thereby leadiing the ‘sheople’ in the desired direction. Anyone following the programme is of course, programmed. As for the ‘Irish Press’ calling the people cattle, well, as Jews they would, wouldn’t they? That’s what ‘Goyim’ means after all. Going back to Luther, his mission coincided with the printing press and he was approved by those in ownership of those same presses and NOTHING has changed. That’s why all mainstream media is a mouthpiece for the Jews much as all money production is in their claws. The Catholic and Islamic religions are continually being slated in the press, yet Islam was born from the Vatican, too. Again, it’s all in the plan as per Albert Pike.Then ‘Rome shall fall’ with Christians fighting Islamists and Atheists fighting them both. What a set up and I observe that most idiots are going along with it, their minds being controlled by their arch enemy.

    If (as the press would have you believe) Southern Ireland is ‘full of cattle’ it would hardly be surprising after a thousand years of invasion, slaughter and the true diaspora of the race worldwide via slavery post Cromwell (spit on his fetid soul). The jews bewail and bemoan their ‘victimhood’ yet it’s more the case that they’ve stolen the Irish experience having imposed it, and made it their own (a common trait). It’s easy to slate an entire people when ignorant of their history. On learning their history, one can only feel deep compassion and understanding of how things have come to pass. The Jews hate the Irish and determined to genocide them out of existance.

    I had no idea really until I started researching. All I knew of the Irish situation was ‘the Black and Tans’; this despite being ‘raised’ down into an Irish Catholic family and indoctrination (education). Yes, they are pig ignorant but they have every reason to be and no less so than those who ‘think’ they know ‘better’.

    Knowledge produces humility in all empaths aka humane beings. The pope was definitely involved in Maddy’s abduction and or death as were all ‘names’ publically supporting the McCanns. It’s the same when ‘names’ ‘pay tribute’ to a murdered or suicided celeb; those paying tribute are the killers.

    Just a quick note to AK on the scum Cromwell: he was no ‘traitor’ for he was no Englishman, but a Jew from Holland, another Double Dutch agent as was the gross William de ‘conquerer’ whom he ushered in enabling a influx of the same noxious elements. Same as those in power today, they are not ‘traitors’ as such as they are only loyal to ‘Israel’.

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    DaftAida Says:

    AK: thanks for the link on the interpretation of the ‘Union Jack’ – I’ve seen others on a more esoteric content, as in ‘Jack’ being a term for ‘Old Nick’ and for Jacobean. We also know that the Red Cross/’X’ is of Knights Hospitalier, or Templar. Yet, the Israeli Jacob/Jack is good enough to denote what this flag of burden means for all under the yoke of The Covenant (people of the covenant= British). We note that The Red Cross is vampyric, always sucking blood and always present where blood flows in warfare; always flagged up as ‘the’ charity for donations around any Bankster created disaster worldwide – an utterly corrupt organisation. It’s telling that ‘freedom is a privilege not a right’ by these ‘gods’ when in fact the reverse is true. The only condition of loss of freedom as a right is when the Law is broken; that Law (the only one necessary) is that of ‘no harm be done’. Moses was the first lawbreaker in slaughtering his people. Ab’Ram was quite prepared to murder his son from the voices in his head and as for Christ, is that the same as Jesus, who was a Jew in any case and the Messiah for the corrupt Pharisaic tribes who murdered him.

    It’s interesting, the ‘fuss’ over the flag in Nothern Ireland recently, as the Israeli flag is flying throughout that region although not known through the media. Isn’t it ludicrous, the audacity and insanity of claiming the flag as ‘god’s emblem whilst denouncing all symbols of nature as pagan ‘rebellion’?

    To me the Union Jack denotes a union of Jackasses.

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    G1 Says:

    I really don’t believe I’ve got anything like the kind of knowledge which you suggest you have, DaftAida. Nothing like it.

    Most of what I’ve heard of is what most people have heard from news reports, and I, and maybe most people, don’t accept this as bible truth (for example that there is a much greater concentration of child abuse by clergy within the RC church than by clergy within reformed Christian churches – this is what is reported as news). We know that elements of the media are very much controlled. And I wasn’t suggesting I know the truth because I listen to or read what the news media decides to show me.

    I’m not in the kind of position you seem to be in and do not generally know much at all about unreported or little reported occurrences. I’m afraid I suffer too much (migraines etc. etc.) too frequently to get lost in all of the many books published, which require a lot of discerning and wondering about in terms of what may be accurate and not. I see you seem to have read a lot.

    Once again, the reference to ‘cattle’ in the Irish Republic was as I would refer to any elements of any country, and indeed as is relevant to other European and non-European countries, which to substantial extents heed the word of the RC cult without much questioning. That’s all I meant. Nothing else. Where the cult generally goes WELL before, or instead of critical, adult, independent thinking and identity. Not all of the people are cattle. Of those who are in substantial obeyance to The Vatican’s command and attitudes, they are also humans.

    This has nothing to do with British attitudes to Irish persons or anything else, Jewish attitudes to Irish people, or French people, or Spanish people, or Maltese people etc. etc. Nothing to do with not valuing or wanting to value any nationality or people. It’s merely a simple acknowledgement of the kind of way these societies, or parts of them in some places, are held under the great power of The Vatican and its ambassadors in the country itself. I wish it were differnet of course, but I can’t deny things are like that – I’d be lying otherwise.

    And I was completely aware that there are elements in British society, and other countries, whether also RC or reformed Christian churches, that are very similar. I didn’t suggest otherwise.

    Therefore, I think you’ve let that simple description of what happens in such traditional, religious connected societies (which are quite similar even to some eastern societies, yes, it’s true, though not so obvious) think I was attacking a people. Or something, I don’t know. You have misunderstood, anyway, that much is clear to me.

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    AK Says:

    Daftaida – Jesus wasn’t a jew by whatever definition being a jew is; Jews aren’t mentioned in the OT until Kings, and even then its retrospective. It is wrongly applied to the people of Judah, who weren’t “jewish” in a religious sense.

    King Herod usurped the Kingdom of Judah, he was an Edomite. He brought his religion with him. 90% of the world’s jews are descendants of Khazars, who converted to Judaism in the (from memory) 10th century AD.

    It is likely that the Biblical Israelites spread westwards to Ireland then from there to Scotland. The Star of David, the NI flag represents this – it is nothing to do with Judaism or Zionism. The treaty Declaration of Arbroath alludes to the Scots being the Israelites; Francis Drake refers to the people of Britain being Israel -meaning a people rather than a place; Queen Victoria had a chart placed in the Briish Museum showing her line of decent from the House of David. The present queen (an imposter imo) took it down. Incidentally, she is one of only two monarchs since Edward I’s time who wasn’t crowned on the stone of Scone. The other was Mary of burning protestants fame.

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    DaftAida Says:

    AK: you might be interested in tracking down (via Greg Hallet’s interviews and transcripts) the actual letter written by Queen Vic to her father (and father of her children), Rothschild, and if Rothschild claims lineage to David (which they DO) then of course Victoria does as well and it has to be that Star of David IS a symbol and used as a symbol for Zion. No-one can deny that the Rothschilds, Warburgs, Schiffs and Oppenheimers in charge of City of London et al are Zionists.

    My understanding is that the OT comprises the first 5 chapters of the Torah. Also that Jesus had the placard ‘King of The Jews’ above his crucifix and referred to the money changers in the Temple/Synagogue as defiling his ‘Father’s House’. I’d heard or read that the term ‘jew’ was introduced in the late 1800’s so like all else, it’s very convoluted, much like history and especially the royal lineage which has been deliberately obscured.

    You might be also interested in looking into cold case Historian, Alan Wilson’s work on YT ‘History of Britain Suppressed’ which gives further insight into the Israelites arrival into Britain and the Star of David as their seal. The House of Rothschild, false Messiah, secured breeding rights to the ‘Royale’ (sic) family on the fraud of Napolean’s defeat over Wellington and the subsequent stock market crash and buy out. Lord Louise Mountbatten bartered sexual rights of Queen Liz’s first born, Charles, with The Prince of Darkness, Philip the Greek for blackmailing Elizabeth into marriage as she was NOT as you say, legitimate.

    The Khazars adopted The Talmud book of filth in the early 700’s AD as a ‘civilising influence’ which defies imagination as to what they were before it was imposed! Trying to make some headway with a tome of 2000+ pages on ‘St Einstein’ so will have to bail out.

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    DaftAida Says:

    Oh, forgot to mention that according to Hallet’s documents, Winston Churchill was Elizabeth’s father and her mother is the ‘handmaiden’ (queen mum) to the authentic Bowes-Lyon who refused to marry the imbecile, Albert, so she is not legitimate and was born above The Coach and Horses pub! That’s why they only allowed the ‘Queen Mum’ to pull pints!

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    AK Says:

    Ak – anyone brought up on a staple diet of All our Yesterdays, BBC news and Hollywood history will wonder what on earth is going on on this site.

    Here goes. Churchill’s father has been linked with Jack the Ripper. In fact, they’re probably the same person. George V was killed without his knowledge (i.e murdered) by his surgeon. This came out in the ’80s; The Glums didn’t deny it but acknowledged that it happened a “long time ago”. George VI had a suspicious death and the same culprit was present, the Queen Mother, at both. There’s a reference in her arse-licking biography that’s about 6 inches thick that they weren’t sleeping together at the time, and that’s it. Both Andrew and Edward were not sired by Philip. Their real father’s name is Henry Porchester. Princess Diana, as we probably know, survived the car crash but suffered a horrible death. Consider this: Philip bullied Charles into marrying Di because she is a Stewart/Stuart, more royal blood in her father than the rest of the Glums put together. However, she was daughter of Oliver Goldsmith, her mother was also a Khazar. Did Phiip make a deliberate mistake?

    Charles took along a set of bound philosophy books with him on his wedding night. I’m surprised that Di was surprised by this. Who is William’s real father? he has a lot of connections with the legendary Arthur – Will I am Arthur is his name. Think about Arthur’s conception and consider who William could possibly be – someone acceptable to everybody, on the face of it.

    This is how our rulers behave publicly.

    Our King should have been Edward VIII; a rival court was set up and with the help of the Archbishop of Canterbury, who wasn’t really interested in religion at all, as you’d expect, forced him to abdicate. he was replaced with a malleable imbecile; I don’t think he was the father of our present queen. He wanted to marry a beautiful woman so we missed the opportunity to have a consort who at least looked English.

    Going back to the Star of David, the one on the Israeli flag is a Rothschild star, not the real star of David that’s on the NI flag. In the OT, there’s a bit about King David blushing. I can’t imagine anyone other than someone with Anglo-Saxon, Celtic or similar blood doing that. There’s lots of evidence to suggest that the Biblical Israelites came to Britain & Ireland, making the people in Israel today imposters. If you read Jewish sources, you’ll find that they don’t claim to be the Israelites. Helen Thomas said the same a couple of years’ ago.

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    DaftAida Says:

    Indeed they would, AK! But once down the rabbit hole chasing the Maddy tail and we’re straight into the warren or labyrinth. I thought ‘Mad Prince Eddy’ was the ripper? Savile and Sutcliffe worked together on another ‘ripping yarn’. Also that the Queen ‘mum’ didn’t do sex and was artificially inseminated. Yes I saw that about Porchester and Liz. Phillip, however, is said to be the father of his fruitfly Ed’s children by Sophie. Goldsmith’s daughter was killed after he became politically challenging and his death was most likely ‘arranged’ as well. I had learned about Diana’s parents, yes. It’s said that King of Spain is Will.I.Am’s father and there was a piece in The Mail hinting at their close friendship.

    Edward V111 opposed the warplans with Germany and was a Nazi sympathiser (as they all are)but it would never have done for him to be on the throne at that point in time. Wallis Simpson was a ‘manshe’ or transexual and we know too well what Eddy was, a profligate bisexual (as they all are). The Wallis Simpson story was the usual cover for the gullible public to justify the abdication. They NEVER marry for ‘love’ in the romantic sense. IMO Wallis Simpson was neither a woman nor ‘beautiful’ nor did she epitomise English looks.

    They’re all bloody commoners, after all. However, I do not think Edward the fruit V111 was any more ‘legitimate’ than Victoria’s Rothschild progeny. Victoria did, apparantley have a legitimate first child who was exiled and would have been rightfully and perhaps decently heir to the throne BUT was murdered by ‘Bertie’ George V1 just before his coronation.

    Syphillus used to sort them out sooner or later but it’s unfortunate for the land and people that it takes it’s time and toll. Look at the damage Henry V111 wreaked whilst his brain was addled with it. The congenital syphillus accounts for the high proportion of imbeciles among the ‘royale’ breed and Liz had two cousins who were incarcerated for life due to moronity.

    Charles and Camilla had a son and daughter (still living) and Huhne’s monstrous wife is said to be it (that’s the result of two mules mating). The other one, a son, is married with 6 children to a black woman in Australia (I think) and totally disowned by the pair of them although Diana made a point of meeting with them and having photographs taken.

    Wills was forced to marry Kate due to the challenge to the throne via Greg Hallet’s sources and then came the change in succession laws which make it clear that ONLY Charle’s children are legitimate heirs. Funny really, as Wills ain’t his and his children are not legit anyway. Notice how Kate’s ‘little grape’ (grape of wrath) has vanished since the hospital visit and murder of the nurse? Had to laugh, there was a headline ‘Kate shows off bump’ and the cheeky sods showed an image taken through a convex lense with NO bump visible. Probably growing in a plastic womb at Porton Down or else she’ll do a ‘Beyonce’ with a Rebirth Doll and the public will oooh and ahhh at a piece of plastic, which Kate is in any case.

    I only heard about the Star of David, said to be the Israeli flag in NI very recently in passing. Indeed there’s been obfuscation as to these mysterious ‘Israelites’ and the lost tribes, muddled further by the term Israeli. That’s why WW1/2 were ‘necessary’: to ‘persuade’ a very reluctant European Jewry to up sticks and migrate to the desert from which they’d never come or belonged. In the St Einstein book, the engineers of ‘Israel’ in the 1800’s said that if Palestine didn’t quite work, they’d promote Argentina and say ‘Here is your Zion’! Also South Africa was on the cards for the ‘Jewish Homeland’ at one point. Fantasy. They come from Poland and Russia. The Sephardim are from Spain and consider themselves far superior and were not averse to assimilation with Gentiles.It is the Rothschild mob who terrorise the Jews into segregation and incite such horrors as wars to eliminate tens of thousands of ‘goyim’ for every one ‘jew’ they kill themselves.

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    AK Says:

    Could the webmaster reply to the e mails that I’m sending. Thanks.

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    DaftAida Says:

    This is such a boring platform of red herrings considering the ginormous abduction torture and murder of millions…. AK. I’ve just received a message from this platform on your latest comment yet it does not appear here. Whilst most of what you say is self evident and very old history, your blind religious beLIEf in the Jesus narrative makes me wonder if you are capable of ever seeing the cold, plain facts of life.

    Suggest you examine John M Allegro, John Taylor Gatto and others about the fiction and likely facts behind the programming.

    Over and OUT. This web platform is just selling a book with no worthy contribution other than our own. This much must surely, be obvious by now and perhaps we’ve provided material for a hopefully profitable sequel. After this, I’m unsubscribing.

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    Paul Z Says:

    Most of what’s writen above is pure drivel. Wild speculation based almost entirely on unverified claims, supposition and a poor grasp of human psychology.

    I don’t have time right now to go through the whole article, but just to deal with a few of the points covered:

    “Is Kate really suggesting that each time the family left the apartment they left it unlocked with all their possessions inside? Who goes on a holiday and leaves their room or apartment unlocked like that? It makes no sense and this change in the alibi seems to be another part of Kate’s revisionist history.”

    Many, MANY people leave the door of their holiday apartment unlocked when they go out for a short time. I have done it myself, and I am normally – ie, when I’m at home in my own house – ultra cautious and always careful to lock doors etc. When people are on holiday, especially when they are in a large group, they tend to get a false sense of security. They are in what they believe to be a safe environment, they have a few drinks, they assume the resort is being monitored by private security, and they let their guard down. They take risks that they would never dream of taking back in their own country. So to me – and I am a psychologist, by the way – there is nothing sinister or unusual about the McCanns getting into the habit of using the patio door to come and go, and leaving it unlocked. A foolish decision, yes; but not at all unusual or suspicious.

    “Last Photo—appeared in a blaze of glory to prove that Madeleine was alive in the middle of the afternoon on May 3. However, Faked Abduction provides evidence that the Last Photo was probably faked.”

    This is nonsense. I have seen the so-called evidence that this photo was faked and I found it unconvincing to say the least. The photo was and is exactly what it appears to be. There is nothing fake about it (and if there had been, do you seriously believe the McCanns would have given it to the police? Or that the police wouldn’t find out in ten minutes that it was a fake? And are you also seriously claiming that the McCanns were able to fake a photo while they were still in Portugal and under intense 24/7 scrutiny by the police, the media and the public? Get real.

    “Why did David Payne try to usher this lady away from lending her assistance?”

    Well it could be because the woman was a nosey busybody who was imposing herself on the McCanns without being invited. She wasn’t giving them any assistance, she was just intruding on their grief. What business did she have being there? None at all, is the answer. As for her recognising David Payne, al she said was that she thought he looked familiar. She may have said this simply to ingratiate herself with him (“you look familiar” is a common opening gambit by people who want to strike up a conversation with a stranger.) But even if he did look familiar – so what? Millions of people look “familiar”. It’s a long leap from there – a Grand Canyon of a leap – to arrive at the conclusion that she recognised Payne as a sex offender. Of course it’s *possible*, but it’s also *possible* that my cat is an alien sent from a distant galaxy to spy on humans.

    “It is a well established fact that the McCanns never searched for Madeleine on the night of May 3, 2007. Kate is not exactly truthful when, on page 83 she writes “As soon as it was light Gerry and I resumed our search.” The plain fact is that they never searched the previous night so how did they resume a search?”

    It is *not* a well established fact that the McCanns never searched for Madeleine. On the contrary, a number of people who took part in the search mentioned that they had seen the McCanns searching in gardens in the area in the early hours of the morning. They were initially advised by the police to remain in the apartment in case Madeleine came back, but they did take part in the search a little later.

    There are a number of other factual inaccuracies in your article, but as I said, I don’t have time to go into them at the moment.

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