Comments on: More on the deleted call records – Where Was Kate McCann?

By: widowan

widowan — Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:39:10 +0000

I’ve been checking out a criminal profiling blog, a woman who is quite famous as a profiler and a commentator – Pat Brown – she has addressed this casein 9 blogs which interestingly enough come to the same conclusion based on forensics, behavioral science, criminal justice learnings, psychology, etc – all the stuff profiling takes into account – that many of us have come to as lay people. She did not continue to follow the case long after the parents fled having been named arguidos, so hasn’t even SEEN the good evidence in the report – however based on what she did see of them., their behavior on the night, and previous nights, their statements and actions afterwards, their hiring of Metodo 3, their narcissistic behavior and some assessment of the language in their statements has simply arrived at the conclusion, MM is 99% likely dead and more shockingly lays to rest quite swiftly most of the “reasons” the McCann supporters offer as evidence that this can not have been down to them including moving the body several times, its mummification in a sandy shallow grave in hot weather and then ultimate removal to England! She states if she were the PJ the place to look, while continuing to explore the possibility that it was an abduction, may be in Leicester. She addresses Kate’s moan in one blog about how the reason people aren’t sympathetic to her is her fitness or appearance and states that her appearance, fitness, wealth, status etc is what has saved her from being clapped into jail instantly as a fat, working class parent would have been given the evidence even “if” they are only guilty of quite appalling child neglect.
Google Pat Brown blog, and scroll down to kate mccann or gerry mccann, there’s quite an interesting little body of work there that puts some clear, experienced eyes (shes done this for decades and has her own profiling school and is quite non nonsense) on this case from an outide perspective.

By: widowan

widowan — Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:07:15 +0000

I have been looking into some criminal profiling blogs and found an interesting one by an American criminal profiler, Pat Brown. If you google Pat Brown blog you ought to be able to find it, and under Kate McCann, an string of 9 blog entries with extremely interesting assessment by this profiler who has decades of such work under her belt and has come out based on the profiling work comprised of sociology, criminal justice learnings, statistics, pyschology, behavioral science, forensics, and all the stuff that makes up criminal profiling, with some commentary very close to what laymen were coming up with as “gut” instincts as to what likely occurred. She finds it 99% likely that MM is dead and draws a scenario where the body was mummified then removed from Portugal by the parents, which eviently isn’t nearly as bizzare, difficult or unusual as it seems to some people.
She hasn’t had a recent blog on it but many of the “reasons” provided by those who believe in McCanns’ innocence, for why they could not have done this, are swiftly laid to rest by Pat Brown. She hasn’t seemingly read the police report after it came out, yet feels that the parents are incredibly narcissistic and that the most likely case is that Madeleine was “taken” in death while the parents were busy neglecting their children – and they know it and their statements lead to this conclusion.

By: widowan

widowan — Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:56:44 +0000

Anyone know what happened to the 3arguidos forum? The owner of the forum, Bren appeared to be having second thoughts about keeping up the site due to a sudden, violent 180 about face in her feelings about the case. Only a couple weeks ago (June or July 2010) the site appeared to have expired – http://www.the3arguidos.info – due to the domain name expiring. I’m keen to know if I’ve just gotten the web address wrong or if this forum, the follow on to the original the3arguidos,has actually given up the ghost. The original site was fantastic and had been created fro people who had been on the Mirror Forum when they had that shut down.

By: Curious

Curious — Thu, 01 Jul 2010 11:50:45 +0000

Sarah I’m with you on this; It was Kate and Gerry’s odd behaviour, her perfectly curled little ribbons and flawless, expertly matched jewellery, and frankly, her lack of emotion, that made me suspicious.

I’ll admit, I’d always assumed Maddie was seen the day she vanished but a lot of this information paints a picture she was long dead by the time the alarm was raised and probably already hidden.

I am one of the ‘guilty by accident’ theorists; I think Maddie was hurt and died accidentally, not through malice but through tragedy. Or yes, perhaps she was sedated and had a fall or choked etc.
Either way I dont think the girl was abused or intentionally harmed.
I think a family holiday went horribly wrong. The McCann’s, through neglect, lost their child and panicked. As doctors with two other young children and Kate’s possible history if guardianship issues(I’d love more details on the apparent story she tried to rescind guardianship of Maddie, possibly only briefly while she got used to having the twins) Rather than admit their negligence and risk losing everything, they panicked, and hid her, deciding to pass it off as an abduction. I dont think it happened the day before she was reported missing, but maybe the day she was reported missing.
Either way she was dead long enough to produce transferable ‘dead’ smells to toys and blankets which alerted the cadaver dogs.

As you said, the author, deleting call details and texts speaks to a certain level of malice and awareness but you also raised the point that Kate may have been in shock…it’s entirely possible she deleted a lot of stuff on her phone as she thought it might block or delay an attempt at contact.
It’s a known fact that a lot of phones, when their inboxes or memory fill up, can be delayed in receiving or can even cease receiving incoming calls and texts.
My phone does it, my families phones have, my friends, my bf, etc. She may have had the presence of mind to clear her phone, randomly, and free up memory. That would explain that one wrong number being kept while other numbers where deleted. Or maybe she deleted numbers who’s names she had but kept the wrong number in case it was personally significant?

I dont know, cant say, etc.

What I do know is, like I say, Sarah hit the nail on the head. The McCann’s where/are an oddly composed, cold couple for a family who lost their child abroad.
Not to mention the question’s Kate didn’t answer etc, none of which where particularly damning, just facts about the case.
If a child of mine went missing i’d be hardpressed to stop screaming, let alone wash and fabulously dress every day. And I would tell them EVERYTHING. They’d have too MUCH information from me if I thought it would help.

By: Sarah

Sarah — Fri, 28 May 2010 14:50:42 +0000

I have often wondered whether anyone ever picked up on what Gerry Mccann said in his first ’speech’ to the press. He said ‘we first must do what is best for oursleves and then for Madeleine’. I remember being shocked hearing this on sky news back in 2007. First that any father would do what is best for himself first and then consider his abducted daughter’s needs after and yet now I beleive that if they Gerry and Kate are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance and tried to cover it up with a fake abduction story it is because they believed they were going to lose it all – their other children, their careers, home etc if they were to admit that there was an accidental overdose of sedative. I also remember being shocked to see that despite Kate McCann’s ‘grief’ she still managed to change her earrings, necklace, bracelets and watch almost daily including a plethora of premeditated outfits all crisply ironed. If my little girl had disappeared under those circumstances I am not sure I could even have washed for weeks let alone actually thought about my ‘look’. I do not want to think ill of them but I do feel that even if they are not guilty of her death – they are a cold unemotional couple of many many levels.

By: Judy

Judy — Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:37:26 +0000

Coming to the anniversary of Maddie’s disappearance in a few days, I’d just like to say that from all the evidence and stories of the happenings of the night,am sorry but the Mccanns do seem not altogether innocent. My first thoughts were probably a disciplining session gone tragic,but with more and more facts not adding up with the stories of the Mccanns, coupled with the strange behaviour of deleting calls etc and their telephone use,it all seems to point towards a conspiracy. Kids can be real brats,real rascals indeed,and sometimes I wonder how i will manage rebellious cranky children if mine turn out this way, but killing them is not the solution. Rest in Peace Maddie, you are remembered by many all over the world.

By: Liberty

Liberty — Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:40:33 +0000

Liberty here. Just want to share I am definitely not van Wyk. He is my brother. I wanted to support him in solving a mystery that has lead to a lot of people barking up the wrong tree. It seems the innocent people who really want to help, become the object of suspicion; whilst those who hide a guilty secret are literally getting away with murder. There is no South African ‘connection’. The plain truth is someone from South Africa was sure that he could solve the case. But some people can’t see the wood for the trees… We had a very sad case here in Soouth Africa about twenty years ago when a man by the surname van Rooyen and his mistress ‘kidnapped’ five young girls; the police left no stone unturned; psychics were involved but to this day they have not been found. Both died, with their dark secret. Not a single clue. Many people go missing, but people become interested in the cases that are publicised, because it intrigues them; we all want the truth to come out. They think they may have answers. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong. Sometimes the cases are left to ‘die’ a quiet death. But not in the case of Madeleine. Personally I believe she is dead. But I have no evidence. A message from a psychic to my brother intrigued me, and although I wished it were possible for Madeleine to be found alive, I really think that is not the case, and it would be good even if her body was found, so that the case could come to rest. The families of the five girls who all disappeared in the same city region, over a short period of time all were known to have contact with van Rooyen but to this day nothing has been finalised and the families still live with the burden of not knowing. I’m not sure whether the McCanns had anything to do with her death. At times I thought they did. Many things still don’t add up, but I’m not the expert. Just someone who tried to help her brother in a case he believed he could solve. I have not followed the case for some time, and really not found out what the outcome of the case was against Mr Amaral. I will google and see what the outcome was. But for those that check for news: this is it. I hope justice will prevail and that this case will eventually be solved. Greetings from South Africa.

By: midas

midas — Wed, 30 Dec 2009 13:29:12 +0000

I check in every day to see if there is any news from Liberty or Van Wyk and there is still nothing at all. I hope they have not abandoned us. Let us hope they return soon with an update. Having said that, I suppose we will be too busy to bother about Van Wyk over the next couple of weeks as we will be watching Dr. Amaral defending himself against the McCanns and hearing more about Halligan’s extradition.

What a pity that the McCanns or Murat have still not asked for the case to be taken down off the shelf yet.

By: Jane Prosser

Jane Prosser — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:56:52 +0000

To Site Admin. A while back you asked for a link to the story about the McCanns having a ‘private’ meeting with the Pope. Sorry to have taken so long to come back to you, I haven’t looked on this site for a while. Here a link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/29/ukcrime.catholicism

Site Admin: Thanks Jane. Whether the private meeting took place or not is still open to speculation I guess. One thing that is not open to speculation from that article is this comment:

“Yesterday the McCann family visited a 75 sq metre (800 sq ft) inflatable poster of Madeleine that will be taken around the Algarve in an attempt to publicise her plight further. The poster, which highlights a £1.5m reward being offered through the News of the World, was paid for by Chris Lennox and Les Harley, two advertising professionals from Glasgow, who drove it 2,200 miles from Scotland to Praia da Luz.”

I personally contacted the company who made that inflatable billboard and there’s an article on this site about it. Chris Lennox and Les Harley most definitely did not pay for the inflatable poster.

By: Midas

Midas — Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:21:05 +0000

I don’t know. But it gave us a laugh at their expense. Just more game-playing. One day it will be the endgame.

Good to hear Dr. Amaral on the news telling the press that the McCanns cannot pin swine flu on him. Glad to see he still has a sense of humour. He must be greatly cheered to hear that Duarte needed the McCanns support in Portugal becase 90% of the people were against what they were doing. What a farcical operation this court case is.

As Dr. Amaral points out, his book is only reporting what is in the investigation files.