More on the deleted call records – Where Was Kate McCann?

By Paulo Reis and associates (*)

The CD issued by Ministerio Publico de Portimao in July 2008, contains a great deal of information on the mobile calls made and received by the “Tapas 9” but it is dispersed, difficult to retrieve and with important pages and charts missing. The main documents of interest from the CD are:

  • A 3 page report by the Policia Judiaria (undated, but probably 4th May 2007) listing call records retrieved from the handsets of Mr and Mrs McCann
  • A detailed (and excellent report) by Inspector Paulo Dias, Inspector of UNI-Sector de Análise, Lisbon, dated 9th November 2007
  • Schedules provided by Vodafone on 14th December 2007 covering a period from 29th April 2007 for Gerald McCann, David Payne, Rachael Mampilly, broken into four separate sections for incoming and outgoing telephone calls, incoming and outgoing SMS traffic
  • A second report by Inspector Dias dated 5th February 2008, containing time bars, link charts and maps pinpointing where the “Tapas 9’s” sets were when they activated antennae
  • A third report by Inspector Dias dated 2nd June 2008 which includes details of activations of the Luz and other mobile antenna from 28th April 2007 to September 2007
  • The Rogatory Letter requests and correspondence dated from 5th December 2007 to May 2007 and responses from the Home Office in April and May 2008

The PJ used a program, called the “Analyst’s Notebook” as well as “Excel” to handle what were very large datasets. Inspector Dias pointed out that “Excel” was far from ideal, because of its limited capacity and it seems that much of the data provided was paper based and had to be rekeyed. Also the main focus of the research was limited to the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007. But, despite the problems, the PJ’s work is impressive, innovative and very detailed. For example, there is a brilliant analysis (which unfortunately led nowhere) based on the hypothesis of two abductors each working with mobiles in the Ocean Club area immediately before Madeleine was reported missing. There is another excellent piece of work which tracks down a misrouted call, from Swansea, to Kate McCann at 11.21 on Wednesday 2nd May 2007.

However, there are potentially serious omissions:

  • The most important records were not available when Mr and Mrs McCann attended their “Arguido interviews” on 6th and 7th September 2007 and it is doubtful that they were ever reviewed by the very experienced analysts from the Leicestershire Police, whose team left the Algarve soon after the McCann’s return to the UK in September 2007
  • There are no detailed call records from the mobile operators for Kate McCann, Russell O’Brien, Matthew Oldfield and Jane Tanner
  • When the PJ obtained the McCann’s mobiles they do not appear to have retrieved deleted data or to extract their contact lists
  • None of the telecom records show triangulation co-ordinates but are limited to identifying the single primary antenna on which calls were registered
  • The details of over 50 UK subscribers contacted by the Tapas 9 in the critical period, as well as their onward local and international call records, was included in the Rogatory Letter request in December 2007. If this information was provided, it is not in the CD
  • A critical link chart (Anexo 37) for Tuesday 1st May 2007 is missing from Inspector Dias’s report

These omissions make interpretation of the data difficult but what is available provides an interesting picture. First, it is obvious that the memories in the McCann’s mobiles were incomplete and, in Kate McCann’s case, selectively deleted.

Her mobile memory held details of 39 calls from 18.28 on Wednesday 25th April to 16.35 on 27th April 2007. After her arrival in Portugal on 28th April 2007, with the exception of one incoming call on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 at 11.21 (which, very interestingly, was the Swansea “wrong number”), and one call from her husband at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007, everything else has been “whoosh-clunked” from memory. These deletions could have been accidental, but a high degree of cunning could be implied. Why would she selectively delete everything up to Thursday 3rd May 2007 with the exception of one wrong number and what was her reason for deleting three of the four calls, between 23.14 and 23.17, from her husband on that critical night?. A possible answer is that she wished to avoid alerting the PJ to evidence that details of around 40 calls had been erased and she felt happier leaving something uncontroversial (or misleading) in memory for them to find. Another answer is that, unsurprisingly, she was under the most extreme stress imaginable following the disappearance of her daughter: but why, in that case, give priority to deleting anything. It is the last thing most parents would think about in the circumstances.

The first call found in Gerald’s mobile memory was timed at 00.30 on Friday 4th May 2007. Again matching antenna records to memory suggests that by the time he gave the handset to the PJ the records of 24 calls or SMSs had been erased, including the one from him found on his wife’s handset and timed at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007. It appears that he had deleted details of the four calls he made to her that night and she deleted just three. It was this simple discrepancy that first led the PJ to suspect interference with the handsets.

If the deletions were deliberate (and it is an “if”) it implies the McCann’s were both “forensically aware” and crafty and wanted to hide something from the PJ. For this reason, it is important to explore the call record data and to match it against other evidence.

On Saturday 28th April 2007, after their arrival in Luz, Kate McCann’s mobile triggered the antenna 9 times. It is not possible to say, from the available records, whether these were incoming or outgoing calls or SMSs or for how long they lasted. The last activations were at 20.55 and 20.59 when (based on their statements) the Tapas 9 returned for an early night after eating at the Millennium Restaurant with their children. All of these records were erased from the memory of Kate McCann’s mobile. Gerald McCann’s mobile did not activate any of the Luz antennae that day.

On Sunday 29th April 2007, the first activation of Kate McCann’s mobile was at 9.23, but again there are no Vodafone logs or time bars to provide further detail. However, by internally matching the antenna records it appears that she called her husband at 12.26 and 17.02.

The crèche records indicate that he collected Madeleine at 12.15. He also picked up the twins around 17.00 but mistakenly recorded the time as “12.30”. Chances are that the calls from Kate McCann were to check that he had picked up the kids. At 10.13 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx3899. The last activation by Kate McCann’s mobile was at 19.30 and Gerald’s at 17.02.

A pattern on this sheet (and it applies to all of the Tapas 9) is that no activations took place at any time during the week while they were at dinner. So maybe Clarence Mitchell was right, after all, and that they were so “into each other” that they didn’t want to be disturbed while sardine munching and left their mobiles in their rooms. They were never specifically asked this question, but it is very important and the point will be addressed later.

On Monday 30th April 2007, neither of the McCann’s telephones activated the Luz transmitters. This looks very odd, especially as they were around the Ocean Club to shuffle the kids to and from the crèches. On this afternoon, Madeleine remained in the crèche for only 15 minutes and was picked up by her mother at 15.30. We do not know what Madeleine did for the rest of the day, but it is possible she was being fractious. Interestingly, a friend of Mrs and Mr McCann supposedly told the “Dispatches” team that made a TV program on the tragedy, that “Madeleine was a screamer”. This could be interpreted in one of two ways, but any use of the past tense in referring to Madeleine would be very significant. It was such a past tense referral, to her supposedly living children, that alerted the FBI to their murder by Susan Smith, their mother.

On Tuesday 1st May 2007, Gerald McCann’s handset was silent all day. Kate McCann’s mobile first activated the Luz antenna at 10.16, but all details of the day’s calls have been deleted from the handset and there is no nothing in the CD from her mobile provider. Another activation took place at 12.17. The crèche records show that Gerald McCann picked up Madeleine at 12.20 (a bit earlier than usual) but Kate McCann’s call at 12.17 does not appear to have been to him, (because his mobile was not activated at all that day). Kate McCann dealt with her last call before leaving for the Tapas Bar at 20.35.

At around 8.45pm on Tuesday 1st May 2007, Miss Nejoua Chekeya, the Ocean Club’s busty Aerobics Instructor, held a “Quiz Night” and was later invited, allegedly by Gerald McCann, to join his table which she did sometime between 9.30pm and 9.50pm. She did not say how long she had remained with them, but she is not the sort of woman men would wish see to leave too quickly. Miss Chekeya stated that one dinner setting was unused and that she could not remember seeing Kate McCann.

However, both Jane Tanner and Russell O’Brien have stated that he did not go to the Tapas Bar on the “Quiz Night” (ie Tuesday 1st May 2007), but had stayed in their room looking after his sick daughter. Jane Tanner took his dinner to the room; thus explaining the unused plate setting. Russell O’Brien was not asked by either the Policia Judiciaria or Leicestershire Police whether he had heard Madeleine crying!

Kate McCann’s mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27, after she had returned to Apartment 5A after dinner. The antenna traffic proves that these calls were not made to any of the “Tapas 9”.

The evidence from the call logs gives the strongest clue that the “Tapas 9” left their telephones in their rooms when they went to dinner. Clarence Mitchell, the McCann’s spokesperson, confirmed this. In an interview, reported on 6th April 2008 by Ned Temko of “The Guardian”, Mr Mitchell said: “You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened…. We would say that, if the police had a perfect time line across nine people, that would be a damn sight more suspicious than the fractured, illogical, composite statements they might have got”

Mrs Fenn, the McCann’s neighbour, reported that Madeleine had cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45. The evidence shows that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A 14 minutes before Madeleine started crying. Tuesday 1st May 2007 is the only night (except, of course, for Thursday 3rd May 2007) that either of the McCanns or any of their friends made calls after dinner.

Mrs McCann volunteered to the PJ that on the night of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, she had slept in the spare bed in her children’s room because her husband had not paid her enough attention over dinner. Or put another way, does she mean the amorous Scot was paying someone else (like Miss Chekeya) too much attention, causing her to stomp out of the Tapas Bar before him: ultimately leading to the spare bed in a strop? Gerald McCann said he thought the reason his wife had slept in the children’s bedroom was because of his snoring and that he did not even bother asking her the following morning what the problem was.

Could it be that their timings are wrong by 24 hours and that Kate McCann’s nocturnal shenanigans took place on the night of Tuesday 1st May 2007? It would fit, but why be untruthful about it? A possible reason is that they wanted to conceal both Kate McCann’s state of mind and the fact that she had returned to Apartment 5A, just before Madeleine’s cried for help.

On Wednesday 2nd May 2007, Kate McCann called her friend “Amanda” at 7.36.41 and again at 7.36.45. This was around two hours earlier than any of mobile activations on any other morning: so Kate McCann was “up with the larks”. Amanda returned the calls at 7.50. There is no record of how long any of these calls lasted or whether they were SMSs. They were all deleted from memory.

At 8.07 Gerald McCann received a call from the SMS message centre (447818520047), but does not appear to have responded. At 8.50 Kate McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx27010 and returned it at 8.53, before going to play tennis. Gerald McCann received a series of calls from his SMS message centre between 9.10 and 10.47, again without response.

At 11.21 Kate received a call from what appears to be a landline in Swansea ( xxxxx0023). The report by Inspector Dias researched this call in detail (Page 21 in his report of 9th November 2007) and discovered that it had not activated any of the Luz antennae. But digging deeper, he found that another UK mobile (xxxxx 1583) had triggered the Luz antenna when connecting to the same Swansea number at 14.01. He dug even deeper, tracked all of the calls made from Luz by xxxx1583 and established it had no connection whatsoever with any of the “Tapas 9”. The Swansea call to Kate McCann was simply a “wrong number”, misrouted and thus not logged by the Luz antennae.

What Inspector Dias did not realise was that the Swansea call had become so special to Kate McCann that, when deleting all of the other Portuguese call records from memory, she decided to leave this one intact.

Gerald received five further calls from the SMS message centre and at 15.50 called 91121, probably to collect his messages. He received further calls from the centre at 17.49 and 19.49. The records provided by Vodafone show these calls but that they originate from a different mobile number (0xxxx014310)

At 20.08 Kate McCann received two calls from a UK mobile xxxx7624 and six minutes late Gerald McCann called 91121: again to collect messages before he left for the Tapas Bar. This was the last activation of the day by either of the McCanns; probably confirming that their mobiles remained in Apartment 5A when they went to dinner.

On Thursday 3rd May 2007 (the critical day) at 8.23 and 8.24 Kate McCann’s mobile activated the antenna to call xxxx7624. There is nothing in file to indicate the owner of this mobile but it does not appear to be any of the McCann family or friends.

At 12.24 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK Mobile xxxx1746. Again there is no clue in the file to the subscriber’s name. At 12.31 Kate McCann received a call (or SMS) from her mother’s mobile and responded an hour later.

Neither of the McCanns appears to have had any further activity on their telephones until after Madeleine was reported missing when Gerald McCann called his wife four times between 23.14 and 23.52. At 23.40 he called his sister – Trish Cameron and at 23.52 -Janet Kennedy.

The batch of SMS messages received by Gerald McCann on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 seems to have caused him some anxiety. Although the number “07818520047” is in a block allocated to Vodafone, the company has no record of the subscriber’s name. When the number is dialed, connection is made to a recorded message which explains that changes have been made to the way customers can access their mailboxes and that they can now dial “121” from their handset or “07836121121” from any other telephone.

Thus the number appears to be a message box for Gerald McCann that sends him an SMS when his mobile is unable to accept a call (because it is out of range or turned off). However, when he was asked by “Expresso TV” on 6th September 2008 about the “sixteen SMS messages” received, he flustered:

“No one has ever asked to see any of my text messages. There is no way that there 16 messages on that day or even the day after, you know. You know, the day after, you know that we got…” Kate McCann came to his rescue and interrupted; “Gerry hardly ever sends text messages until the day after, the day after Madeleine was taken”. Gerald McCann continued: “so you know that it is actually rubbish”

Their McCann’s denials were, of course, technically true although perhaps disingenuous – because there were only 14 messages received on the day before they reported Madeleine missing and two on the day after.

There were 16 SMS messages, in total, so why prevaricate and deny an allegation that was never made. The question was about received messages, not those sent, and on the day before not on 3rd May 2007 or the day after! In the field of forensic linguistics you must always concentrate on the precise wording of denials and especially on those of allegations not made. The denials made by the McCanns are suspicious. However, Mrs McCann’s statement about her husband not sending SMS messages, until after Madeleine’s disappearance, is confirmed by Vodafone’s records.

Mr and Mrs McCann were never closely questioned by the PJ about the detail of their calls, but Gerald McCann excused the deletions by saying that his telephone’s memory only retained details of the last ten calls made. This obvious inaccuracy (It already had retained details of 17 calls) does not appear to have been challenged by the PJ and it does not in anyway explain the selective deletions from his wife’s handset.

So the bottom line is that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A when Madeleine cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45 on Tuesday 1st May 2007, leading to a unique flurry of late night calls and to unique calls very early the following morning. A forensic examination of the records of Madeleine’s attendance at the “Lobsters” crèche on Wednesday 2nd and Thursday 3rd May 2007 is critically important because if they have been falsified, to establish she was there when she was not, this case takes on an entirely new dimension and sets different search parameters.

Secondly, if the memories of the mobile telephones were deleted in way suspected, a level of cunning is implied that would be capable of conceiving plan to deliberately delay reporting Madeleine’s “disappearance”; if for no other reason than to disassociate it from the crying incident on Tuesday 1st May 2007.

Of course, this is speculation and it is entirely possible that further investigation and the much awaited transparency by Mr and Mrs McCann will totally exonerate them. But why don’t they simply produce the SMS messages and explain why call details were deleted?

(*) This report is a result of cooperation with a leading international investigative firm that is in the closing stages of an 18 month intensive investigation that is expected to reopen the case in Portugal and to start new proceedings in the UK.

139 Responses to “More on the deleted call records – Where Was Kate McCann?”

  1. 1
    Raymond Says:

    Interesting reading, Qs to be answered, a difficult case made more difficult by the cleverness and if i say so well thought out complicity is in their time will tell.
    i would hope that the child is found but i feel deep down she will never be… what happened the night where is the child, they say the eyes are the soul.
    I look at the pictures of the parents and see something very wrong both well educated people both manipulated the media for sure best way to put a fire out is to start a bigger one..
    I hope the case is re-opened questions to be answered, for sure the above makes good reading and dose leave the case somewhat open.. We will see…how things unfold..

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    David Llewellyn Smith Says:

    The evidence from the call logs gives the strongest clue that the “Tapas 9” left their telephones in their rooms when they went to dinner. Clarence Mitchell, the McCann’s spokesperson, confirmed this. In an interview, reported on 6th April 2008 by Ned Temko of “The Guardian”, Mr Mitchell said: “You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened…. We would say that, if the police had a perfect time line across nine people, that would be a damn sight more suspicious than the fractured, illogical, composite statements they might have got”

    This being the case, how did they know to check on their children every 15, 30 or 60 minutes? Was there a clock in the bar?

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    Ruth Says:

    If the Mccanns were fighting over a personal matter, who can blame them for not wanting the police to know and of course it would add to the theory that they were not stable at the time of her disapearence.
    All I really know is, as a member of the public who has spent several months researching and trying to find Madeleine Mccann who I have taken to my heart, I will and deserve to know the truth, how ever painful, so she can return home to where she belongs.
    To think the unthinkable, Could then I ask, if the true abducter/perpetrator of such a devious crime have tried to indicate where Madeleine is maybe he/she imitated the Belgium killers of two small girls in sending a map marked with an X where their two small victims were to be found, also, may I add photographs of those two little girls were placed on a infamous peadophiles web site, causing much pain to their poor parents.
    Could then the true abductors who ever he/she may be have tried to shift the blame onto those Begium peadophiles by copying their actions and marking the spot where Madeleine is to be found with a big cross?We know a map was sent to a Dutch News Paper indicating where Madeleine is to be found) maybe this action was taken to releaved his/her guilt on a sick conscience to find her, so she could return home.
    On google world, the area map just a few miles out of Praia da luz shows a main route into the town that leads to a defind crossroads in the shape of a cross.
    The Photograph does not show very clearly but there is a defind spot of interest to me there, probably nouthing, but we must continue to try to find Madeleine as best we can.
    Also Madeleines last port of call was at tennis!
    Tennis I discover in a hunting ground for Peadophiles!
    Have they looked up the list on the tennis, who plays regular and who does not!
    Then why would you join a tennis club?

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    petra Says:

    Very interesting report with a lot of details. Have these numbers been examined all? Nontheless, the number of calls and their timing and frequency made or received by the mccann’s during their holiday of only one week gives a ‘big picture’ which leads to general conclusions about the profile of Kate and Gerry, and their relationship. Also the knowing of the exact time when calls have been made or received finally delivers a deliable and trustworthy source of indices which can be compared to the information we have from the ‘Tapas 9’, the ‘Crime Scene – 5A’, the staff of the Ocean Club, the rented car and, and, and,

    1. Kate McCann is a childishly jealous wife, and Gerry not capable of receiving and understanding emotions of others: The following will bring insight: The very short police statement of Chekaya the fitness instructor who is believed to have made a quiz on the night Maddie is believed to have vanished on 3. may 2007. This was a Thursday, the holidays were going to end in short time. Now read the very short statement at police of the fitness instructor Chekaya:

    Najoua Chekaya’s short police statement, 14 August 2008
    of Duarte Levy and Paulo Reis
    Thursday August 14 2008

    Najoua Chekaya arrived in Portugal on March 2007, recruited in England to work for Mark Warner, according to her statement to the PJ, in May 2007. Just a curiosity, the translator was Robert Murat. She described her daily working routine, as an aerobics instructor and said that when she arrived at Ocean Club, she was asked also to perform a “Quiz Game”, at night (09:00 pm), at the Tapas Bar, twice a week – every Sunday and Tuesday. On May 1, 2007, after the “Quiz” was finished, Najoua was invited by Gerry McCann to sit at their table, to have a drink. She was there for 15/20 minutes, between 9.30 and 9:50 pm. There was just casual talk and she doesn’t know if Madeleine’s mother was at the table or not. During that period of time, nobody left the table, but there was an empty chair. Who has been sitting at that chair, Najoua didn’t know

    Every SUNDAY AND TUESDAY – which means that she made the quiz on 1st may at 21:00 and was invited to the table by GERRY at 21:30, she stayed only 15 to 20 minutes which means until 21:50. ‘Kate McCann’s mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27, after she had returned towards Apartment 5A after dinner. The antenna traffic proves that these calls were not made to any of the “Tapas 9”.’
    Miss Chekeya stated that one dinner setting was unused and that she could not remember seeing Kate McCann (Who of the Tapas 9 was still there?, she only states unused dinner setting and that Kate was not there). 22:30 – 23:40 During these 70 long long minutes the neighbour of the mccanns, Mrs Fenn heard Maddie crying and sobbing for her Dad. Fact is: Kate Mccann herself stated that she exactly at THAT night 1st of may (remember: she doesn’t refer to it as the quiznight because this was on Thursday after the Mc Canns) didn’t sleep in the same bed with Gerry, but in the children’s room because SHE FELT A LITTLE IGNORED THAT NIGHT BY GERRY. It doesn’t seem it was only a little that she felt ignored if she decided to put a clear signal or even be disgusted by the behavior of Gerry and sleep in another room. It seems that she left the table BEFORE or WHILE Miss Chekeya sat herself to Gerry’s table because she got angry and jelous. Gerry stated that at that night of 1st may (not the quiznight) he returned to the appartment and went to bed and Kate slept in the childrens room because he snores and he didn’t comment the next morning on her ignoring him in the night. Very strange statements and obviously not fitting together.
    Kate must have been in or outside the appartment while making the calls getting the handy which she left in the app, (trying to reach somebody?) at 22:16, 6 times within 17 minutes. Was it her friend Amanda she tried to reach or just somebody close to her listening to her problems and anger with Gerry? Its a late time to make a call just because of nothing. Gerry must have come back while or after Maddie stopped crying, because she cried for him until 23:50. Did he stay sooo long because of the quiz-girl? The good looking girl who was perhaps alone in the end with a few or only Gerry? Did he perhaps not even sleep in the appartment? Does Kate even sleep? Or just get up very very early and trying to reach her friend at 7:36 in the morning 2 times, 1 hour later Amanda calls back. Was Amanda sleeping the night before, and Kate needed help or advice so desperately that she called Amanda when she knew Amanda was probably getting up? Again its early to call somebody for no real reason. Gerry MC Cann receives a lot of calls during the day, his phone switched off, because all the calls are received by the combox. He checks the Combox at 15:50. Did he get back to the App shortly before 15:50 because his handy was still there (he left it there before Tapas)? Or did he sleep such a long time? Why did he not check or answer the calls until afternoon?
    Did Kate want to communicate with Gerry without talking to him personally? Shortly after her calls, he receives calls which are all not answered or checked until 15.50 the 2.may.

    Madeleine stopped crying for her Dad at 23:50, she started shortly after her mothers phone calls at about 22:30 . Did she wake up? Did she cry for her Dad and not for Kate because they have a disturbed Mother-Daughter relationsip, or because her Mother tortured her when she was fustrated and alone and Gerry flirting with another girl? Did she while doing this kill her ‘by accident’? In the living room near the sofa perhaps? The sniffer dogs marked both blood and cadaver odour on the tiles in the living room behind the sofa. Or in the parents room at the wardrobe at the foot of the parents bed? Did she try to reach Gerry by a friend over telephone? Trying to tell that she found her dead with vomit in her mouth or she just didn’t wake up in the morning dead because of sleeping pills Gerry gave her daughter? Perhaps she tried to make Gerry feel guilty of something which makes them complices.

    There were no odours of blood or cadaver in the bed of Maddie. This means she either died in Living room or in the parents bedroom where the blood odour was found. Did Kate after cleaning the blood hide the Body in the wardrobe of the parents room and sleep in the children’s room or wait there until Gerry came back thinking of a story she could tell? Did she tell it perhaps to her mother and some close people by phone? That she found Maddie dead and Gerry not here? What should she do? Call the Police? No wait for Gerry to come back and tell him first, we stand behing you whatever your decision. Nobody would believe a mother killing her child or hitting it, not Kate? And Kate she is such a loving Mother and Maddie blablabla was a difficult child and bla bla bla. HAve the Mc Canns been advised to hide and get rid of the body? Or did they decide all by themselves. Were they afraid that the sleeping pill they or Gerry perhaps gave her would be found or in Kates case perhaps a knockarea at the head? Fact is: After that night on 1.may there were no social get togethers with the others of the Tapas 9 including the children, or Photos of Maddie shown with other people of the events these days. Also the only witness who should have seen Maddie is her nanny at the Creche 20 year old Catriona Baker. Her Statement has not bn made officially I think, she does ot say what she exactly did with Maddie that time.

    If Gerry went back to the room exactly at 23:50 shortly before the time when Madeleines crying stopped, the time he comforted her perhaps?

    Profile conclusions:
    1)

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    Gordon Says:

    McCann’s Guilty and some of the other Tapas group of assisting with the hiding of the body. . . . . .

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    sylvie grenson Says:

    i think everyone is looking for the wrong person instead off it being a man i think its a woman who abducted her ,a woman dressed up as a man.
    the reason i say this is because the woman from holland in the amsterdams shop said that the little girl says thats not my mommie SHE Took ME AWAY FROM MY MOMMIE!

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    joao correia Says:

    Petra i hope you are not one of the Tapas 9 in disguise just wanting to let us know exactly what happened . God rest her soul .

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    ruth Says:

    Many people are saying about the coincidence re-Swansea telephone calls on 2.5.2007 that Amaral was puzled about, this apparently the only call left on K’s Mobile along with one to Amanda her friend.
    A psychic called in by the Mc’s friend is located in that Swansea area her husband a top criminal defence lawyer.
    Another colleague of hers also had a little girl apparently snatched from her, she caled her Madeleine,she also set up a web site called Amber Connections a few days before M’s alledged abduction and was linked in the Psychic search out in Praia.
    I personally believe the whole plot was set up for publicity for the new Satallite watch that can be used to find kids.
    Whats the betting Madeleine will be found soon by this device

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    Elaine Says:

    I can’t be certain either way. Gerry and Kate could be innocent and poor Madeleine was abducted. But whatever the truth, I find it grotesque that educated medics, who write what they will about their NHS patients, could be so cruel to their own children. Leaving them alone when they of all people should have known better and could have well afforded a babysitter. Do you who read this really think that had they been a one parent family in a council flat that those other children wouldn’t have been put in care. Instead they’ve been treated like celebrities and virtually made heroes for their blatant negligence. Least of all knowing poor little Maddie was crying for hours and no one cared. There has been a lot of speculation about them sedating the children so they could go out in the evening. If this is the case…when are they going to be charged with child abuse? At first I thought Kate had murdered or hurt her, but then when they made it so public, going to the Pope, the media etc etc I thought that if one had done something, one would try and keep it quiet so that it would be soon forgotten. So if they did kill Madeleine why would they keep resurrecting her memory? I don’t have a clue either way, but parents, least of all medics who could treat their young children like that don’t deserve children.

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    Raymond Says:

    Well on and on!will it ever end will they who ever they are be found?.. Kate? Jerry? they was guilty of leaving there kids for sure the GMC should have sorted that one out.. mind you they was not found guilty of anything..according they have been acquitted so far..

    its hard for anybody to feel sad for the Kate’s and Jerry’s of this world. if they happen to read this and i am sure they do get told of how the general public are feeling all but a few of us to date on this web site..

    I am sure they will be saying things like well how can they say anything about us they don’t even know us..

    my answer is you would be correct in this, but for most of us who do have children we know what we would be doing and not be doing on a holiday with them..

    but the truth i am sure will come out might take a long time..

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    Midas Says:

    Who was using Kate McCann’s phone on the 2nd May. Who were they calling? Why? They were supposed to have been on holiday weren’t they?

    Although I do recall Gerry saying that he was not there to enjoy himself.

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    Ruth Says:

    I personally think the McCanns may have been duped into going along with a scheme to publisize the Amber Alert and thats why they thought Madeleine would be safe.
    I refuse to believe that a mother who took as many photos of her child would harm her.
    I have read many accounts and evedence that could add up to the McCanns harming Madeleine, but never could I except that K would act like she did after Madeliene’s abduction unless she thought she was safe,one would have to be a Psychopath, smiling, non emotional.
    Madeleine is either alive and being cared for in a far off land and this case kept alive with her popping up in different countries, much like the new age experiment of a cat locked in a box that can been seen in different places, that which I had read of on a fourum.
    One day she will miraculously resurrected like Lazurus in the Bibical text) and at last the case will be proved that restraint laws should be put on the web and all media, yet another Central Government restraint on public and freedom of the press.

  13. 13
    Midas Says:

    Ruth ……. I seriously believe that your theory may be used one day by the New World Order.

    Were it not for the scents of death found by Eddie and further confirmed by Keela the blood-scenter, I would be most suspicious about the alert system.

  14. 14
    gordon Says:

    WHAT IS GOING ON HERE, THE McCANN’S ARE LIVING A CELEBRITY LIFE JETTING HERE AND THERE. ON THE MONEY THAT PEOPLE ARE DONATING TO THE MADELINE FUND. HAVING THERE MEALS MORGAGE AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY CARE TO HAVE. THEY CAUSED ALL THIS THEMSELVES AND THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES ASKING FOR MONEY OR EVEN USING THIS MONEY. ITS STATED THAT THE FUND IS NOT A CHARITY, BUT THEY ARE LIVING OFF THIS FUND STAYING AT GOOD HOTELS EATING FINE MEALS BEING TREATED AS CELEBRITYS. ITS TOTALY WRONG.IF THE MONEY IS TO FIND MADELIENE THEN IT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO SOME-AGENCY THAT FINDS LOST CHILDREN. NOT FOR THE PARENTS TO GO SWANNING OFF ON JETS. DONT YOU THINK THAT EVERY TRIP THEY MAKE IS NOT A HOLIDAY. I DO HOPE MADELEINE IS FOUND AND IF SHE IS IT WONT BE BY THE RESULT OF HER PARENTS. THE MADELEINE FUND IN MY MIND IS NOT A FUND BUT A BUSINESS. AND ITS MAKING MILLIONS. I HOPE SHE IS FOUND.

  15. 15
    Julie Says:

    Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. It took centuries to develop a good judicial system, and you guys are going back to the middle ages. I am not convinced Madeleine is dead, I am not conviced she is alive. I am not convinced she was abducted, I am not convinced her parents harmed her. Why? Because there is NO conclusive evidence for whatever theory. The dogs and the DNA evidence are both subject to a lot of questions and doubt.

    Reply: In your world the police would sit on their backsides and do nothing. They know nothing, have no theories to work with and therefore everyone should do nothing. There would be no point in exploring where the evidence takes them so they might as well pack up and go home. What part of “Kate McCann did not answer 48 questions” do you not understand? Why are you saying that the dog evidence is subject to a lot of questions? What about Kate McCann’s questions?

  16. 16
    Midas Says:

    ”The dogs and the DNA evidence are both subject to a lot of questions and doubt.”

    ***********************

    They are only subject to doubt because the Team McCann’s party line has been dictated that way to the masses. Surely you have a mind of your own Julie? Are you repeared to be treated like a mushroom? Do you like being kept in the dark and fed on all kinds of muck?

    Do you ever consider that the FSS in Birmingham may have been instrumental in those areas where the DNA has proved inconclusive?

    Just for your information Julie, the Team McCann made sure that non-thinking individuals learned about one other incidence of cadaver dogs. They showed a case where there wasn’t enough other substantial evidence to prosecute. But all’s well that ends well. The accused admitted that he had done what he was accused of.

    Julie, there are millions of people out there guilty of crimes of shop-lifting, drinking and driving and beating their wives and children. Just because they do not have court convictions does not mean that they are innocent. It just means that they haven’t been caught yet.

    I know that you are not convinced that Madeleine was not abducted, Julie. Nobody is. Nobody could ever be convinced of that. Despite MacIntyre’s protestations of possibilities. He should have gone to Specsavers – then he would have been able to read the police Files first – without making a complete ass of himself with the piffle he wrote for the Sunday Express. That is one rag that really cannot afford to sink much further.

  17. 17
    Jane Prosser Says:

    Ruth – has it not occurred to you that maybe Kate McCann is a psychopath? Why not? As you say, she certainly displays all the signs of being one.

  18. 18
    Porcelain Says:

    I’ve always thought from day one of Madeleines disperance that her parents are the main suspects,especially Kate McCann.Kate prob harmed little Madeleine,something truly gruesome prob happend after,then Gerry helped Kate cover Madeleines disperance up,thats prob why they can’t find her alive or dead? Its sick to think,but it does happen.If it was an abduction,surly it would have been easier for the abductor to carry one of her younger siblings away?.Anyway I suppose thier Inncocent until proven guilty and if she was abducted as some believe….I hope she is found alive.

  19. 19
    Jane Prosser Says:

    Porcelain – but what did they do with the body? Someone else must have helped them to conceal/dispose of it as they would not have known the area well enough to know where a body would never be found. There are many others involved with this cover up….

  20. 20
    Midas Says:

    Jane Prosser, I could not agree more. Not enough people have been interviewed with regard to the case. I would start with the most ‘helpful’ people first. Such as those who facilitated access to the Church.

    I am a very religious person and a great believer in the Almighty, but I would have much preferred to be out looking for my living child who had maybe gone for a late-night stroll, than kneeling down and praying in a Church!

    I think God would prefer that we help ourseves first before going to Churches for Divine inspiration and guidance.

    Why did the McCanns and their mates immediately conclude that Madeleine had been abducted? Why not think she had gone out to look for her chums? Why not consider that she may have been kidnapped and wait to hear from the kidnappers?

    Why did the holiday-makers not immediately rush to see if any of the other children had gone missing???

    Why are we not allowed to say what we think and know about all the holiday-maker???

    Who is helping to cover up what, exactly?

    Let us hear a different side of the story. Such as Dr. Amaral’s and the police DVD files. Urgently.

  21. 21
    FIONA Says:

    I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY !
    WHY THE HELL THE WERE NOT CHARGED FOR LEAVING THE KIDS ALONE.
    HOW SILY OF THEM. IN A STRANGE COUNTREY
    I HAVE A GIRL AGE 13, YES 13 YEARS OLD AND A SON AGE 8 AND I WOULD NEVER EVER THINK OF LEAVING THEM. MY EYES ARE EVERYWHERE TO PROTECT MY CHILDREN. I THINK THERE SOCIAL LIFE MEANT MORE TO THEM. SHAME ON YOUS !!!! YOUS MUST LIVE WITH GUILT EVERY DAY !

  22. 22
    Jane Prosser Says:

    Why, indeed, Fiona. A few other ‘whys’ are:

    Why were they immediately given so much protection by the government after apparently neglecting their children? (I don’t actually think they did neglect their children – they had to leave them to enable the ‘abduction’ scenario to take place.)

    Why were the posters used in the ‘Find Madeleine’ campaign old photographs so people would be looking for a younger child?

    Why did Gerry insist on drawing attention to the flaw in Madeleine’s eye, despite being warned that if she really was alive and being held by a kidnapper, she would surely be killed?

    Why did David Milliband, Tony Blair, Cherie Blair and Gordon Brown speak to the McCanns after the disappearance?

    Why did Gerry go to the White House?

    Why did the Pope meet them (in public and in private)? After all, lots of children go missing all around the world, does he meet other parents of ‘missing’ children too?

    Why are newspapers not allowed to question anything untoward in connection with this case?

    Why do the McCanns yield such power as to have forums shut down because the comments left do not accord with their version of events?

    Why does Madeleine look the image of her uncle, John McCann…..?

    Site Admin: Please provide a link or source to the story that the Pope met them in private. Thanks…

  23. 23
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    The Pope did NOT meet with the McCanns in private. The trip to Rome and the brief meeting with the Pope on St. Peter’s Square was entirely organized by the British diplomacy and prepared by the British Ambassador to the Vatican. The involvement of the British diplomacy applies to almost all trips. Milliband, the Blairs and Gordon Brown did speak to the McCanns for the simple reason that they all seem to belong to the same club, and it was most certainly not because of Maddie’s disappearance, but of damage limitation. To make sure their nice little secret circle would not be discovered and exposed. To my understanding there are similarities to what was discovered in Jersey. Maybe, its all part of the same circus.

  24. 24
    Midas Says:

    I am buying into every word of JusticeSeeker’s excellent post. Milliband and company need looking into immediately.

    Completely off-topic – or am I? Has anybody had a glimpse yet about the imminent bomb-shell to do with BBC heads about to be dropped in the paedo-vat?

  25. 25
    GMKOMD Says:

    There is NOW available to us the British public overwhelming evidence that this little girl died
    in that flat and her body was moved in the car .There is no CREDIBLE evidence that she was abducted

    That is the truth of the matter,how she died we may never no but the police think she fell down the stairs and cracked her head open ,they all panicked as they knew the trouble they would be in and dreamed up the abduction story,

    The kids were alone in an unlocked flat,how easy for wee Madie to get up and wander out slip on the dark stairs ….

  26. 26
    patri vallina Says:

    What is it with all the money the McCanns need? What about, we will never leave Portugul without her”, an e bay shop selling Madeliene goods!! with all the money in the fund these should be offered free, Is she a commodity? Why did they have all those enlarged photos with them and for what? Why pay private Detectives when they can insist that Portugul reopens the case. If they are innocent then why attempt to shut Goncalo up, and ruin him financially, why do they need 1.2 million euros???to pay for more photocopied posters.Sorry but it seems like money money, other. parents with missing children do not seek financial reward.
    Freedom of Speech, should be allowed, maintaining what ones opinion is, especially if an expert in that field. Why do they need elite teams of legal advisors, lawyers if they are innocent, and yes the Madeliene website and ebay accepts Paypal as do most businesses. Poor Maddy where ever you are.

  27. 27
    Liberty Says:

    Certain people don’t want to consider that Madeleine might be dead, because that would point to possible murder charge, and there would then be a murder suspect, and a murder investigation, even if she died accidently, like slipping on the stairs. It seems these certain people are going out of their way to prevent this, and the only way this can be done is to insist that Madeleine was abducted and is still alive. Chance she was abducted – 50 percent. Chance she is dead – 50 percent. So I say that equal opportunity must be provided for people to search for her if she was kidnapped, but also equal opportunity for those who believe she was murdered, (or died accidently and her death was covered up) to search for her body. If there are people who think they know where she can be found, dead or alive, these people must be assisted so that all avenues can be followed. I know a man who was able about ten years ago, to find the body of a missing child; as he was told where she was buried by a psychic. This same psychic has told this man too where he can find the body of Madeleine. Somebody must give him a chance; because he was right before, and as sad as it is, he could be right again. Then a lot of people can come to rest, and then we can use money that was raised with FindMadeleine to search for other missing children, in memory of Madelein McCann.

  28. 28
    Ironside Says:

    Question why did David Payne not mention in his statement to LPD that he visited Kate on the evening of the 3rd.? David Payne holds the key.

    Site Admin: Who is LPD? Do you mean Leicester Constabulary? If so, Payne did mention visiting Kate on the 3rd. Only, he told them he last saw Madeleine at 17H00 and not after 18H00 as he said in his rogatory interview in Leicester in April 2008.

  29. 29
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To 26-Liberty: Well, if you know a psychic who was able to find a missing body some ten years ago, why don’t you give it a try and contact him? There is no need to wait for an official reopening of the case. That is not going to happen anyway, because it is not supposed to happen as long as certain politicians in the UK and Portugal are in office.If we want to push the case we need to launch private initiatives to force the hands of the officials. I have no doubt that PJ would love to return officially to the case and continue investigating. Behind the scene a lot of investigation has been conducted and the noose around the neck of the McCanns and their cohorts is getting more tight every day. Give it a try! Contact the psychic, ask him the necessary questions and let us have his answers. You can’t make a mistake by that. Either he is right or wrong.And I wouldn’t even be surprised if this person would confirm Maddie’s death and point at a lake close to the Spanish border where her body is concealed. I am a retired inspector of PJ myself and know that some people indeed gifted with unusual powers and able to detect the whereabouts of cadavers. I have been witnessing two such cases myself. Threforwe, I am open to the experiment.Think about it.

  30. 30
    Ironside Says:

    Thanks Site Admin…That just goes to show I should do my own checking. I read a post from TTW4 who I would say does a lot of checking and assumed he was correct.

    Site Admin: No worries. DC Mike Marshall sent an email/letter to Ricardo Paiva on October 24, 2007 where he stated this time of 17H00 but more importantly he said that Payne had said Gerry and Kate were both present. This account differs massively from the subsequent accounts/rogatories.

  31. 31
    Ironside Says:

    Petra, I wish you would post again you give a lot of insight into the Mccanns marriage. I think it is fair to say their marriage is not a happy one. The hand holding is not one of affection but a sham. There is no love between this couple. The footage of them going on holiday is proof enough. Mccann distant and cold, swearing in front of his children.Kate by her own admission saying that she slept one night in another bed. I would not be surprised if all nights were spent in another bed.Kate an only child, her mother also very cold and unfeeling. Kate just like Madeleine, a daddies girl. I have been told that all Doctors are like machines they cannot get involved. Maybe in this case it goes one step further, not their fault ,they just do not know how to love.

  32. 32
    Midas Says:

    Halligen and Oakley Int. have made the Sunday papers after his sad indictment. Follow the money guys. lol

  33. 33
    Ironside Says:

    The Mccanns seem to mix with hoods in the search for their darling daughter. Two of metodo 3 are still in prison one for drug trafficking and the other on an attempted murder charge.

  34. 34
    Midas Says:

    FOLLOW THE MONEY! THEN TRACK IT RIGHT BACK TO WHERE IT CAME FROM.

    The C-Rucks accounts need a thorough going-over because it looks like they know about things that should have been reported to the police in the first instance. No wonder they can charge extortionate fees, when they are working for extortionists.

    Who would complain about a big solicitor’s bill when it stops you going to nick?

  35. 35
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    Yes, follow the money. But don’t forget to think far back as well! Rembember that the McScams had not only organized the media circus after the alleged abduction withina few days, but also the Madeleine Fund to con people out of money. Don’t forget – the bylaws of the Fund explixcitly say that the McScams are entitled to use the money for their OWN ends and benefits! And also don’t forget that the board of directors of the said Fund is comprised of family member and friends of the McScams. What does all of this tell you? Yes, it was all very well prepared in advance, and it was for money from the very beginning – a huge money laundering facility! And now add Carter-*uck to the business. What do you get? Right! A huge extortionist enterprise, again attempting to get their dirty hands on other peoples’s money! Take for example Gonçalo Amaral. 18 months after the publication of his book «The Truth About The Lie» the McScams sued him – assuming having made sufficient money for indemnisation, therefore claim 1,2 mio. Euros in damages from Amaral. Shouldn’t one assdume that they knew the contents of the book in question a week after it was first published in Portugal? And all this goes hand-in-hand with top notches of the Portuguese political establishment because all of them are blackmailed by British PM Gordon Brown into submission. Simply too many skeletons in their closets, and more and more of their corruption is revealed on a daily basis. Add now the fake Secret Service Agent Halligan to the picture. This master con-artist was never hired to launch a search for Maddie – but to transfer and launder money to the USA for the McScams from where it could easily be re-transferred to other countries to guarantee an easy life of these crooks! I have the strong feeling that the McScams are preparing their Bye Bye from the UK, planning to move to another English speaking country. They know that their Empire is crumbling and justice may finally prevail and take them to prison where they belong. Being away from the UK makes it much more difficult to bring them to justice via extradition etc. And of course it needs to be a country outside Europe because there is the very effective instrument called “European Arrest Warrant.” No, it needs to be far away from Europe to be on the safe side! There is a lot more to say but I am getting tired of it. Many people have got good ideas how to proceeda adnd post them on various forums – but it is all theoreteical. Practically, the McScams hamve the money and everything seems to work out to their advantage. Iam afraid we have to wait for the Divine Justice to kick in and put all of them out of business.

  36. 36
    Midas Says:

    JusticeSeeker wrote ………… ‘Right! A huge extortionist enterprise, again attempting to get their dirty hands on other peoples’s money! Take for example Gonçalo Amaral. 18 months after the publication of his book «The Truth About The Lie» the McScams sued him – assuming having made sufficient money for indemnisation, therefore claim 1,2 mio. Euros in damages from Amaral. Shouldn’t one assdume that they knew the contents of the book in question a week after it was first published in Portugal?’………. There is a lot more to say but I am getting tired of it. Many people have got good ideas how to proceeda adnd post them on various forums – but it is all theoreteical. Practically, the McScams hamve the money and everything seems to work out to their advantage. Iam afraid we have to wait for the Divine Justice to kick in and put all of them out of business’

    JusticeSeeker ……… Excellent post. Please don’t be disheartened! We need you! The dailies are starting to pick up a little now and it may be a tactical and gentle foray that they are using to start drip-feeding stuff about the McCanns. I am annoyed that they seem to be trying to get away to foreign climes myself. But we have to carry on. Keep the faith. X

  37. 37
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To 35 – Midas: Don’t worry! I am not going to give up. Quite to the contrary, I intend to stir the pot a little more, attempting to mobilize more forces, make people think and if possible – act! You need to understand: I spent almost all my professional life with PJ. Not in Portugal or the UK but in a European country. And crime is crime and the way you fight it is much the same everywhere. And believe me, if you follow a case under investigation – for instance the Maddie case – and you know from your own professional point of view that the detective in charge is a top investigator and does exactly what needs to be done – peel the onion layer by layer until you are at the core of the case – which is the truth – and this fact is well known to forces who intend to keep the truth under the carpet by all means and therefore manage to have the detective removed from the case, something is terribly wrong.Rest assured that I know what I am talking about. I can confirm that crime from a certain level turns into a political matter with interference from political figures, but what happened in the case in question – the Maddie case – is unique and a crime in itself. The only official player in this dirty game was the former Director of PJ, Alípio Ribeiro, who was «urged» by vulnerable political figures to declare the status of «Arguido» was precipitated in order to justify Amaral’s removal. At least he had the moral strength to resign from office. As Amaral once used to say:«Still the same political figures in the game». He was right.And his reward for 27 years of service with PJ was a kick in the butt to protect criminals in the UK and Portugal. Where are the voices of his long term collegues? You cannot hear them and this silence is not only deafening, but also telling. Almost none of them is willing to stand up for the truth, side with Amaral because of fear their personal career may suddenly be interrupted etc. That is the problem of Amaral. He was chosen to be the sacrificial lamb to be slaughtered on the altar of corruption. To do whatever I can to prevent this to happen is the rerason why I continue to fight. Don’t worry about the McCanns, they are finished very soon and justive will prevail. What we are obliged to do is to limit collateral damage and make life a little easier for Amaral and his family. Got the message?

  38. 38
    Midas Says:

    Brilliant JusticeSeeker. Let us proceed. They need nailing to the wall. Soon!

  39. 39
    Liberty Says:

    To JusticeSeeker ~ thank you for your encouraging words. The man I told you about who enlisted the help of the psychic, as he found another missing girl before; is in the process of trying to get back to P de L but is finding it difficult as his funds are limited ` he is based in South Africa in the Western Cape. Once there, he will only need a short time to find her, and then the wheels of Justice can roll again. If you know the truth, as has been shared with me, you will see that a lot of what has been written is speculation, and leads to much other speculation. The reality is much simpler. I guess the saying is true: “What a tangled web we weave, when at first we learn how to deceive.” What he now needs is a written invitation from somebody living in Portugal that he can submit to the Portuguese Embassy in order to obtain his visa. The invitation will then be included in his itinery. Should you so wish, you can liaise with him at the following email address: findmychild@gmail.com ~ Thank you

  40. 40
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To 37 – Midas: Yes, that is going to happen very soon. Their time is almost up and the noose around their neck is getting tighter every day. They made a lot of mistakes from the very beginning and today they are nervous which is likely to trigger more mistakes. All we need is patience and to continue to collect evidence.It is just a matter of time, and if the McCanns would be aware of how much is known about the case and the involvement of every single one of the Tapas-Gang already that is not contained in the official PJ files, one would assume that at least one of them would ponder about the possibility of contacting the public prosecutor to offer himself as «witness of the crown» and snitching the others off.Well, it is not very polite, but it describes the present situation best: “Very soon the shit is going to hit the fan!”

  41. 41
    Marcus Says:

    The Solicitors they have are very good.. I don’t think they would get involved with a scam.. But I can tell you this for sure they are the best around and very expensive.. so the Mc Canns money won’t last long…
    Guilty well we will see’ I don’t think it’s anything to do with Amber is the child dead no body we assume she is still alive until otherwise if the Mc Canns are guilty of anything i am sure it will show at some point living with a lie is not easy….

  42. 42
    Midas Says:

    JusticeSeeker ……… You have truly made my day! I am buzzing now I have read your post. I have always held the conviction that there will be convictions, but you are making me feel as if it is going to sooner that I dreamed of. Thank you, thank you, thank you etc. X

    I will make sure that I stand right in front of that fan you mentioned. lol Whilst wearing protetive-clothing of course! lol

    I guess there will be a big queue to be standing right there. lol

  43. 43
    Midas Says:

    Liberty, it would be great if this psychic could get a tv company to make a programme about it, then the visa and fees woud not be a problem. A US tv company flew people to PDL. And they were rubbish, but this person sounds genuine.

  44. 44
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    Midas… I am glad I made your day. Stay tuned, there is more to come. As to Liberty: Did I get this correctly? The psychic you mention was in Praia da Luz already? If so, when, on whos behalf? What were his findings? If he was there, why didn’t he point to the place where to find Madeleine? Is there any statement about Maddie to be dead or alive? Remember, we had the pleasure of Mr. Krugel’s (another gentleman from South Africa) and his miraculous cardboard box visit to PDL already.And it was not very helpful.Give me some more hints, please, and if I am convinced I am going to make some people in the US move their butt.

  45. 45
    Midas Says:

    You have now made my day even better with your last posting! Keep this up! The power of positive thinking knows no bounds. I hope the PJ know how many people are right behind their findings!

  46. 46
    Liberty Says:

    Justice Seeker and Midas: we have nothing to do with Mr Krugel. The person who was given the information by the psychic as to the whereabouts of Madeleine, is my brother. He went to Portugal based on the information he received from the psychic but unfortunately he had no support whatsoever from anybody. He believed so strongly in finding Madeleine, he sold EVEYTHING he owned in order to fund his passage to Portugal. He was successful in the case of the missing child previously, although sadly she was not found alive, as I shared with you. You can understand that he does not want to divulge all the information as everybody, including the perpetrator(s) potentially have access to this site. As I said in my first post: he had no support, financial or anything else; language, transport and logistics was a nightmare for him, he was working entirely on his own, and his time in Portugal was VERY limited due to all the constraints I have mentioned. He needs the right people to back him up, in other words, certain legal aspects have to be considered for example gaining access to private property, etc. He did not consider those factors and thought it would be a relatively simple task to go in and find Madeleine. However, those factors are what hindered him from finding Madeleine the first time. Not being able to gain access to the property in question, he did however take photographs of the site, which he gave to the psychic on his return. She (the psychic is a woman) pointed to a landmark in the photograph identifying the place where Madeleine is. The sooner he is given the necessary support, the sooner Madeleine will be found.

  47. 47
    Raymond Says:

    If you have all this information why not hand it over to the McCanns? prove too them and maybe bring closure to the case??

    (a landmark in the photograph identifying the place where Madeleine is. The sooner he is given the necessary support, the sooner Madeleine will be found.)

  48. 48
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    Liberty 45 – Well, sounds promising. If I got this right, Maddie is dead as every police officer,including the British ones, who was ever involved with the case, is convinced of. Your last posting gave me some clues. I do agree that we should not share further information via this forum but via an email address to be agreed upon, because I need some additional informations to discuss with certain people in the US who would be in charge to organize and finance the trip, ok? So far, I cannot promise anything, but I shall do my very best if the answers to certain questions are satisfactory.

  49. 49
    Midas Says:

    Raymond Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 8:05 am
    If you have all this information why not hand it over to the McCanns? prove too them and maybe bring closure to the case??

    *******************************

    Raymond, for goodness sake! Have you never heard of the Smiths and the Gaspars and Yvonne Martin?

    Ask them what it was like trying to give information to the police and getting them to act on it!

    Nobody will act on anything. It is like banging your head on a brick all every day.

    It would be great if you could get through to somebody on behalf of Maadeleine. Please get back to us and let us know what they say, if you do.

  50. 50
    Midas Says:

    If we hand it over to the McCanns directly, it will get buried with another out-fit like Oakley or Metodo 3.

  51. 51
    Liberty Says:

    To JusticeSeeker: You have my email address. I await your response at findmychild@gmail.com ~

  52. 52
    Liberty Says:

    JusticeSeeker:Midas: Message from Liberty’s brother. No further information will be exchanged on this forum. Correspondence via email address findmychild@gmail.com.

  53. 53
    Midas Says:

    Hi Liberty, I would not have dreamt of asking for info on here. I wish you and your brother every success, he sounds as if he has great conviction. And any kind of conviction in this case is very welcome in my eyes. Wishing you lots of Good Luck.

  54. 54
    Liberty Says:

    To Midas: thank you for your best wishes. I never used to believe in psychics, but it is exactly the faith that he has that he will find Maddie that has made me support him. I did not always support him. If I tell you he has literally given up everything he ever owned for the opportunity to follow what he believes to be truth. There in itself is a tremendous story.

  55. 55
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Liberty: You have me email address since yesterday. What is the problem to respond within hours and answer my questions? YOU know the whole story. What are you waiting for?

  56. 56
    Marcus Says:

    Truth for Madeleine admin@truthformadeleine.com
    I do not have a problem with the above site, but what I am reading and trying my best to understand is more complicated than I could ever imagine
    Maybe you could explain some things to me; you all seem to have some kind of theory to what happened on the day or night..
    But what I don’t understand I some of you say you have some kind of proof?
    Some say they have some insider knowledge and can push things further?
    Others say they have found the site where the poor child could be ok if all is to believed why doesn’t one of you or indeed all of you make an application to the police department.
    Is this some kind of site evolved around hysteria, I too believe in thing’s for sure.. But proof is one thing proving what you have is another.. and doing something is an entirely different thing..

  57. 57
    Midas Says:

    Marcus wrote, ‘Others say they have found the site where the poor child could be ok if all is to believed why doesn’t one of you or indeed all of you make an application to the police department.’

    Just as a tester for yourself Marcus, make an application yourself, on our behalf. Just to prove how difficult it is to get ANY authority to listen.

    Alternatively, please read the police files and Dr. Amaral’s book. We have been helping to find out the truth and get justice for Madeleleine for more than thirty months now.

    From the moment Dr. Amaral investigated the case, he was thwarted by the British Embassy and moles from within the British police force.

    This little girl’s medical records have not even seen the light of day yet. Nor her parents bank accounts from around the time she allegedly went missing.

    We are all doing something. Some of us, as you may have noted have even resolved to use psychics because, of a lack of help from those who should be getting off their butts and doing something about a three years old child who disappeared leaving few clues.

    Hysteria is not something you will ever find on this site. However, if you check out the holiday-makers actions on 3rd May, you will find plenty.

  58. 58
    Marcus Says:

    Ok faire enough, but it did not answer my question.. Why then can you not bring an allegation private prosecution?
    If you bring an allegation against a person I thought the police had to do something about it..

  59. 59
    Midas Says:

    We cannot bring a private prosecution because we have not got millionare backers to stand up to the type of loop-hole lawyers that the defendants would employ. Please remember that the holiday-makers would not even return to Portugal for a reconstruction of events or answer questions put to them by the police. Kate McCann did not even answer 48 questions about her daughter when she was a suspect. Why would they answer questions at a private prosecution?

    They would just go to the newspapers and claim they were being hounded again. Please read the police files and you will see what we are up against.

  60. 60
    Marcus Says:

    Ok I see your point; the solicitors they are using are one the NHS use Kingsley Napley is an internationally recognised law firm based in central London.
    They also represent the nhs and a few other professional body if you ever and hope you don’t have to go to a tribunal your opposite number it the case most like l would be Kingsley Napley.
    You say that they would (They would just go to the newspapers and claim they were being hounded again)

    Do you think the news papers have a great deal of sympathy for them after all they sue them don’t they, this part might not be correct.

    Collectively as a group of people who seem very sure the Mc Canns have committed Murder that is what you are saying,!

    Why don’t you all get together meet up some place and work it out that way, putting things on this web site is ok but I am sure the Mc Canns solicitors

    Are watching,and waitng.. and the people loyal to the Mc Canns will also be. Looking at the site on a daily basis..

    I am in total agreement with you that something is not right it stinks but there as to be another way for you all to do this in a manner that will not bring you all into

    The realms of Elvis Presley are working in Tesco’s type of thing? And before you think I am trying to put you effort down, I genuinely feel it’s not getting you any place and just maybe you might be doing yourselves an injustice.

  61. 61
    marcus Says:

    Ok I see your point; the solicitors they are using are one the NHS use Kingsley Napley is an internationally recognised law firm based in central London.
    They also represent the NHS and a few other professional body’s if you ever and hope you don’t have to go to a tribunal, your opposite number in the case most like would be Kingsley Napley.
    You say that they would (They would just go to the newspapers and claim they were being hounded again)
    Do you think the news papers have a great deal of sympathy for them after all they sue them don’t they, this part might not be correct.
    Collectively as a group of people who seem very sure the Mc Canns have committed Murder that is what you are saying,!
    Why don’t you all get together meet up some place and work it out that way, putting things on this web site is ok but I am sure the Mc Canns solicitors
    Are watching,, and waiting .also the people loyal to the Mc Canns will also be Looking at the site on a daily basis..
    I am in total agreement with you that something is not right it stinks, but there as to be another way for you all to do this in a manner that will not bring you all into the realm of Elvis Presley is working in Tesco’s type of thing?
    And before you think I am trying to put you efforts down, I genuinely feel it’s not getting you any place and just maybe you might be doing yourselves an injustice.

  62. 62
    Midas Says:

    Marcus wrote ……… ‘Collectively as a group of people who seem very sure the Mc Canns have committed Murder that is what you are saying ………’

    Marcus! Murder? We have not mentioned murder anywhere at all. We are merely asking for an enquiry because Team McCann think that the police botched the investigations and wrongy accused them as suspects. As you must be aware, Dr. Amaral was removed from the case because of Government interference. His book is not allowed to be printed in English because the holiday-makers only want the English-speaking public to read what they want them to read. We want a full enquiry into what really happened to Madeleine McCann. Personally, I do not give a f*ck what Team McCann or their infamous lawyers and ‘McCann supporters’ think of this or any other site. I just want to know why we are not allowed to see the other side of this curious story.

    The police files are in the public domain and the public are entitled to read them. We need the British press to be able to print it for the masses to read without fear of reprisal. Whether it affects national security or not. In the 21st century, we should not have a public kept in the dark.

    Why should we take out a private prosecution? Madeleine McCann was a British Subject and the law should be on her side. The Government should be leading an enquiry into her whereabouts. We should not have somebody like Hogg appearing to side with the parents. It is Madeleine who has been done an injustice. Not her hapless parents and their friends.

  63. 63
    liberty Says:

    JusticeSeeker: Message from Liberty. My brother Martin van Wyk is arriving at Lisbon Airport today 4 December 2009 at 1315 local time. He is keen to meet you as he sees you are interested in the truth. You have his email address.

  64. 64
    More on the deleted call records – Where Was Kate McCann? « Exposing myth, distortion, corruption and the TRUTH Says:

    […] http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/12/more-on-the-deleted-call-records-where-was-kate-mccann/#comment… […]

  65. 65
    Midas Says:

    Quote’For most of the year and more recently a couple of weeks ago, van Wyk and his sister had been virtually begging people to finance van Wyk’s return to Portugal to find Madeleine.’Unquote. This statement is not true. The first time I ever went on to this site and post a message was on the 17 November 2009 ~ this definitely does not equate to ‘most of the year’ ~ Please get your facts straight. I thought this site was about TRUTH. I viewed other sites and chose this site as it really seemed as if the people on this site were concerned with finding the truth, not twisting it. Unfortuantely I put Martin, who really believes in finding out the truth, in touch with JusticeSeeker who corresponded with him directly via email. The above story is the result of the confidence my brother had in JusticeSeeker. The story contains presuppositions that are definitely not true. JusticeSeeker: do you have a hidden agenda

    ********************************************************

    Liberty.

    I am sure that JusticeSeeker does not have any hidden agenda. I am more concerned about yours. I am sceptical about your brother having sold all his possessions. I am also suspicious about any South African connections in this case. And I really mean that. South Africa has a few serious links to the Madeleine case and I would like to find that link as soon as possible. Maybe HOLMES or CEOP will come up with this link before I do.

    I m most suspicious because your brother chose this week to go to Portugal. A week when Amaral’s case is being heard. A week when Halligen has just been remanded in custody. I think it is odd that so many things are happening at once. Do you?

    I cannot argue with the Krugel guy who seemed very genuine at the time.

    Site Admin: The many South African links are almost too numerous to ignore. Danie Krugel, Martin van Wyk, 2 South African bar staff at a local hotel interviewed by the PJ, a South African PDL resident talking to RTP on May 4, rumours that Mark Otty is the 10th Tapas, Clarence Mitchell’s mentor allegedy a South African, one of the McCanns calling a number in South Africa on or around May 4. Is there a large enclave of South Africans in PDL? Out of all countries a long-haul flight from Portugal, South Africa has figured top of the list. Why? We don’t hear of Americans or Australians selling all their possessions to visit the place on a whim. Is this truly a coincidence or is there more to it?

  66. 66
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Liberty: No hidden agenda but 27 years of police work with PJ. And, based on this long experience, i know that at least some of your or Martin’s claims do not match the ends. I don’t need to again mention the obvious South Africa connection. It was done already by Site Admin and Midas. What I would like to know is the following: Who was Martin’s sponsor (even though you don’t need one, just a letter of invitation)in 2007? You claim he sold all his property to be able to make the trip. Fine with me. But, would you mind to explain who is sponsoring him this time? Who invited Martin to Portugal so suddenly and who is paying for his trip? Martin had claimed explicitly: “I am going to unearth the body of Madeleine within 2 weeks” – he is very confident, right? Confident in a way only a person with affirmative background knowledge can be. If so, who provided this knowledge? Wouldn’t it be very convenient to find the body of poor Madeleine whilst Amaral’s case is heard in court? What a touching story! McCann’s claim confirmed! There was indeed an abductor who killed Maddie. Yes, Maddie is dead. But she did not end her life in Apartment 5A as Amaral claims. All this would hopefully clear the McCanns from any and all suspicion! Bad luck, it will not work!

  67. 67
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas: Since you are at it. The below one came in today. What is your opinion?

    Von:

    Martin Van Wyk

    Gesendet: Dom Dec 6 10:32
    An:

    JusticeSeeker

    Priorität: normale
    Betreff:

    Re: Maddie Case

    Typ: Embeded HTML/Text

    Hi, this is Martin van Wyk, Liberty,s brother. I am in Praia de Luz, I have come to get Madeleine Mc Cann. I believe that the ball will start rolling from tomorrow afternoon. You can call me at : Montinho de Ouro, tel : 282 788 269 – room nr. 6.

  68. 68
    Midas Says:

    Because I am a very inquisitive person I would call him. From an untraceable land-line or mobile of course.

    I am just glad that he realises that he has come to find a cadaver and not a live child.

    Justice Seeker wrote, ‘If so, who provided this knowledge? Wouldn’t it be very convenient to find the body of poor Madeleine whilst Amaral’s case is heard in court? What a touching story! McCann’s claim confirmed! There was indeed an abductor who killed Maddie.’

    I must admit that if I was as psychic as he claims. If I was as sure as he claims. I would get hold of the PJ and have a word with them. I would not want the glory of being on the spot and having my name splashed around all over the internet. If he is wrong, he will look like another time-waster.

    Better to do these things quietly surely? The PJ will already have been tipped off by now and will hopefully be getting a grip on him to ascertain that he is who he says he is.

    And JusticeSeeker, I am sure that I don’t need to tell you this but ……. please do not go alone to meet up with him.

    The South African arm of all this is about as dangerous as it gets.

    If you are not back here within 24 hours giving us an update, I will be emailing Dr. Amaral and the PJ.

  69. 69
    Midas Says:

    Hi JusticeSeeker!

    JusticeSeeker wrote ……….. ‘ All this would hopefully clear the McCanns from any and all suspicion!’

    ********************************

    Mmmmmm ……… Except the suspicions that we will always hold because of the way that we saw Eddie and Keela going absolutely mental and bananas in apartment 5A and around the rented car. What happy, happy doggies they were to have found exactly what they are trained for.

    And both discovered the same traces in the same places. When neither knew what the other had already found. Totally ruling out any suspicion of collusion between the two animals. They went in separately and discovered the same things. Just like they have always done on every job they have ever done before. Because they are the ultimate experts. No gadgetry. No reading each others statements before asking the police to change the wording or timing.

    Just pure unadulterated evidential findings.

    If it was thought that Gerald McCann was buried deep under tons of heavy rubble, in the middle of South Africa where a buiding had collapsed; would Kate McCann tell the dogs not to bother looking for his remains?

    If Kate McCann had gone out for a long walk in Huelva one hot sunny day, but had not returned for tapas, and it was considered a grave possibility that she could have fallen down a pot-hole earlier that morning; would Gerald McCann tell the dogs not to bother looking for her body?

    As Gerald McCann arrogantly once said to Sandra F,’Ask the dogs,Sandra.’

    We don’t have to do that Gerald McCann, the dogs have already given us their answers. Loud and clear. With yaps and piercing barks. With their tails swishing about faster than Kate McCann saw the swishing of the curtains in 5A.

    The dogs have it. Ayes to the right.

    And if Martin finds Madeleine’s body buried anywhere, we will thank him enormously and pat him on the back. But …….. we will tell him to stay around in PDL, because there will still be another body for him to find.

    And that body will be the one that lay around long enough in apartment 5A to give off cadaver-odours. Not to mention ……. the other traces …….. that despite the FSS’s best efforts ……… only Keela could truly find evidence for.

    One thing though, Martin. If you do find Madeleine, the police will be wanting a good long chat with you.

    However, if they are satisfied with what you tell them and do not find that you are connected to this case in any way, I promise that I will buy your book one day. Just like I have bought Dr., Amaral’s.

    So, God speed. I wish you every success in the world. But woe betide you if you have got our hopes up for nothing. I shall consider you less than a Martin Brunt. He got my hopes up once. And dashed them.

    Now why did he go and do that to us all? What a disappointment he is. I fell out with him over that. May the force be with you.

    Not necessarily the PJ, but it would be a start. I cannot imagine the PJ wanting a ‘private investigation’ on their patch at this point. They are still working hard behind the scenes on all this.

  70. 70
    Midas Says:

    Any sign of Marcus since he came on here making this scurrilous claim about us all?

    Fancy writing ‘Murder’ with a capital M for emphasis! I don’t know what the world is coming to at all.

    Marcus wrote ……… ‘Collectively as a group of people who seem very sure the Mc Canns have committed Murder that is what you are saying ………’

    If I was sensitive to criticism like Gerald or Kate McCann, I would be absolutely furious that this has been said in an open forum for the world and the C-Rucks to see. I would expect at least a million (of any currency from whatever source) in compensation. And I would even try and claim extra damages on behalf of my pets and work colleagues who could be disturbed at a later date by it all.

    Shocking stuff, Marcus. If I was somebody like Kate or Gerald McCann, I would even go so far as to say it is hurtful, upsetting, unhelpful and boring. Utterly ludicrous.

    Do you know what time it is, Marcus? Or do you never wear a watch either?

  71. 71
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas: Thank you for your interesting postings. I go along with most of it. And – no need to worry about my safety. I cannot make it for a meeting with Martin Van Wyk, even though I would love to, because I am not in Portugal right now, but in Italy until Thursday night. However, I’ll try to put a call in to him today. There is more interesting information I would like to share with you since I consider you pretty smart with the mental capability of analyzing things very thoroughly. My compliments! As you can imagine, I am not British. So, please excuse if my English sounds funny sometimes. If interested you can get hold of me at: «navigator2@clix.pt»

  72. 72
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas: I forgot to mention. Wouldn’t you find it interesting that Liberty has not responded to my questions yet (posting 65). One should imagine that these simple questions could be answered without hesitation – unless you need to ask someone first how to respond, and that one is not available right now.

  73. 73
    Midas Says:

    JusticeSeeker! I am flattered. My compliments to you too, for bearing with us all during this case. I will be in touch. Take your email off before you get bombarded by the idiots. I was going to put a call out for Liberty last night, but I remembered that Marcus had not graced us with his presence since his astonishing accusation.

    Liberty. Where are you? Please update us about your brother. Has he got enough money or do we need to contact him? I do not want him selling the hotel towels and bedding for the price of a coffee.

  74. 74
    claudia Says:

    hi!what was the name of a holiday maker,that claimed that, shortly after the disappearance, he had seen a girl resembling Madeleine being taken in a cart to a gypsy camp near Portimão, about ten miles (16 km) from where Madeleine disappeared: Andre VAN WYK
    Is it a coincidence ?
    Claudia

  75. 75
    Midas Says:

    Hi Claudia. No it is not a coincidence. From the very first witness of a publicised ‘sighting’ to the last witness of their publicised ‘sightings’; we can be assured that they are all connected one way or another. The odd stary that has not already been connected seems to become so.

    Remarkable isn’t it.

  76. 76
    Midas Says:

    Any exciting news about Martin yet?

    Claudia ……. Talking of coincidences, do I remember correctly that the story of the ‘kidnapped by gypsies’ Van Wyk, turned out to be the same somebody who worked for Branson?

  77. 77
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas. No word from Martin Van Wyk. No breaking news in the Portuguese and European media about the Maddie case. Even though I left a message with the reception, nor return call. And Van Wyks «sister» Liberty seems to have been disappeared also. Therefore, my very simple answers about the sponsor etc. remain unanswered. And there is another open question: I would like to know why Van Wyk is telling us he is using the services of a Cyber Café in Praia da Luz for his email exchange with the world, when in fact he is using a laptop?

  78. 78
    Claudia Says:

    they both have asked for sponsoring and they have found already someone to help them to get there?
    He maybe did not really need any help,their only intention was to let us all know ,they know that she´s dead and where she´s buried…this info might only have who did it or someone paid by them?
    justiceseeker,can you see all IP´s address?
    SORRY for my english!
    Claudia

    Site Admin: Anyone can see IP addresses from email. Look in the email header and you will see all IPs associated with the transport of the email to the recipient. Most programs don’t show the header automatically but for example, in Outlook, right click the email in your list pane and choose “Options”. This will bring up the email in plain text form with the header info.

  79. 79
    claudia Says:

    Is this M.van wyk?

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pyFj865NHDc/SorxRYmF0WI/AAAAAAAACqw/j3kFxXa4SK4/s1600-h/Teresa+%26+Kobus+Van+Vuuren+en+Martin+Van+Wyk+c.JPG

    and is this liberty?

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pyFj865NHDc/SorsW97HfZI/AAAAAAAACqo/xWwhwPSBjXU/s1600-h/Vicky+Clark+Adele+Faul+Lilly+van+Wyk+en+Jeanine+McCurdy.JPG

    Claudia

  80. 80
    claudia Says:

    I´he found 2 photos of possible M. van wyk and liberty but I can´t post them here
    Claudia

  81. 81
    Midas Says:

    Considering Liberty’s heart-rending story of how her brother Martin had to sell all of his possessions in order to finance his trip to help retrieve Madeleine, we seem to have been left adrift somewhat.

    What has happened to him? Has he been kidnapped by those same ‘Spanish police’ whom Tanner thought were going to abduct her whilst she was identifying Murat in the street for the PJ?

    I really hope Martin has not been kidnapped by an Arab prince and taken to eat child-friendly toppings in a palace somewhere in the East. If he has, I just hope he is giving them his ‘tuppenceworth’.

    I hope I am completely wrong and that he is waiting for night-fall to secretly take the PJ to where he thinks Madeleine’s remains are.

  82. 82
    Midas Says:

    Hi JusticeSeeker. Did the reception verify that he had definitely arrived at the hotel?

  83. 83
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas: Yes, the receptionist confirmed that Van Wyk arrived and lodges in room 6. Since I am out of town I asked my wife to try to contact him by phone and it worked. She talked to him for a while and Van Wyk confirmed to her being pretty certain about where Maddie’s body is buried. Namely, in Praia da Luz on private property where trees have been planted to cover-up the place. And now he discovered that a newly constructed driveway is running right over the space where he expects the body to be hidden. Allegedly, he phoned Leicestershire police and they told him they could and would not do anything for him. If he has useful information it was recommended to contact the Portuguese PJ in Portimão. He was referred to a female Inspector but contact could not be established because that lady, due to a national holiday in Portugal, was not in the office. He’ll try again tomorrow. If my wife understood properly, Martin Van Wyk intends to give us the pleasure of his presence until Friday. That is the latest news.

  84. 84
    Midas Says:

    Hi JusticeSeeker. This is very encouraging news. I hope everybody will forgive my earlier cynicisms. It rather sounds like a job for our much trusted friend, Eddie the cadaver doggie. A quick sniff should do it. I would not like to think that any trees have to be disturbed for nothing.

    It would be an unbelievable coincidence if he discovers Madeleine at the exact time that Dr. Amaral’s hearing is taking place though.

    An utterly unbelievable coincidence.

  85. 85
    claudia Says:

    Hi Midas, with all my respect, Mr. Wyk said there´s no longer trees but a newly constructed driveway,so maybe the trees and Maddie´s body were taken away from there after knowing Mr. Wyk
    was in praia in 2007 investigating or the killer has removed it??? (If this man is telling the truth,of course)

    Claudia

  86. 86
    Midas Says:

    Hi Claudia, I think it is imperative that Eddie and Keela or any other cadaver dogs are sent to this place at the very earliest opportunity. Like today. Courtesy of the British Government. Eddie has already proven to be very clever at scenting through concrete.

  87. 87
    GMKOMD Says:

    I think there is no chance that dogs will be called in unless the PJ get involved
    and given the unfair kicking they have had up till now sadly I dont see that being very likely

  88. 88
    Helen Says:

    Hmmm, this all seems a bit dodgy, im not convinced this Martin is genuine.
    I hope he is and i really hope this comes to something.
    I shall be checking this every hour for an update, for my own piece of mind.
    I will celebrate the day the answers are found and the McScams pay for what they have done.

    To me it screams that they are responsible as the body has not been found yet.
    Most pyschopaths and/or murderers want the bodies to be found, not always conciously but most of the time they are found. For some, part of the body being found is the kick they get aswell as the actual killing. ( i have read some books about murderers minds etc)
    So Iif you are a ‘normal’ sane person that has made a HUGE mistake, like leaving your child alone long enough for them to suffer their fate, you will do anything for the body to not be found.
    Because of this i believe she may never be found. They didnt want her to be found and they have the contacts to cover every trail of evidence.
    If she was taken out to sea and disposed of, she will never be found. Sad but possibly the case.
    I really hope that i am wrong as i need to know like many others what happened to the poor girl.

  89. 89
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas: I responded to your email. Don’t be too optimistic about the ongoing development. As to Eddie and Keela taking a quick look. It is impossible right now because Martin Grime, their handler, is in the US preparing the search for a body in the US for January 2010. As soon as new information surfaces, it will be posted in this forum.

  90. 90
    claudia Says:

    well ,eddy und keela did show us what they have found !
    M. van Wyk hasn´t show us anything yet!
    Claudia

  91. 91
    midas Says:

    What an amazing and unbelievable coincidence it would have been to have discovered Madeleine’s remains in the same historic week as Dr. Amaral launches his book about the gagging of the case. LOL

    Hi Claudia and JusticeSeeker! I hope Eddie and Keela are sent back to the Algarve soon. There are a number of residences I would like them to have a sniff around in. The scent of death can linger for years. In a while, certain people will be begging their dying relatives and friends to go and die peacefully at their homes. Just to explain any death scents that may be found in future. LOL

  92. 92
    claudia Says:

    Here: it says M. van Wyk was working for the MCC`S , 30 october 2007 in praia, he said she is dead and buried close to the Ocean
    …so the parents did already know she was dead….

    http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Martin+Van+Wyk%2C+detective+privado+sul-africano%2C+investiga+na+Luz+Correio+da+Manh%C3%A3+%E2%80%93+Foi+contratado+pelos+McCann+para+&btnG=Suche&meta=&aq=null&oq=

    Claudia

  93. 93
    Skye Says:

    Do I understand this correctly. Post no. 26 we have Liberty paving the way for her brother to be given a chance. Requesting equal opportunity for people to search for amongst others, madeleine’s body. Furthermore they should, according to her, be provided with assistance. Rather sweet she is too, “I know a man…………”

    We also have an article by the site admin claiming that for many months of this year, Martin van Wyk has been in contact with them giving information of his past actions regarding this case as well as some about his future intentions.

    And during all of this, you are not aware of the fact that he refers to himself as a bounty hunter as quoted in a newspaper article?

    Good old Google. In less than a minute. Correio da Manhã – Are you hired by the McCanns to find Maddie? 10.30.07 Excerpt: – “I was six years in the Military Police of South Africa and I am a private Detective: A bounty hunter during 15 years. In 1997, I had investigated the disappearance of a 13 years old child, which was finally found dead. In that time I had contacted a Medium woman which vision revealed to be exact. I even talked with her about the case. She has the same opinion as me.”

    Site admin: And your point is?

  94. 94
    Midas Says:

    As Admin has already asked. What is your point, Skye?

    I hope you do not think for a minute that we do not realise that Liberty and Martin are for real do you?

    Have you heard of things that eventually go pear-shaped? Well, this case is all about things being as bent as a banana. From beginning to end, it is all bent. Great that you have discovered Google. We tend to get our news from people on the ground. Then we take the piss out of people like Martin van Wyk. In much the same way as Martin and his sister ‘Liberty’ are taking the piss out of us.

    Di you encounter any other van Wyks during your sojourn through Google? LOL

  95. 95
    claudia Says:

    “SHE IS DEAD AND BURIED NEAR HERE”, revealed to the Correio da Manhã, Martin Van Wyk, private south-African Detective, investigating in Praia da Luz.

    Correio da Manhã – Are you hired by the McCanns to find Maddie?

    Martin Van Wyk – No. I have contacted the aunt of the children, Philomena McCann, by email, I offered my help. The McCann couple knows that I am here, at private title. I don’t have even been in contact with the Portuguese Police, to avoid misunderstandings.

    – You are here since one week. What are your conclusions?

    – Unfortunately, I think the toddler is dead and the corpse is buried around here, in this locality. I think she has been wandering off the apartment, during the night, in direction of the beach. She was looking for her parents and someone took here. In the following day, confronted with the news that she was abducted, this person was scared. Without knowing what to do, finally he killed her, maybe without wanting to do it.

    – What is your experience in cases such as this one?

    – I was six years in the Military Police of South Africa and I am a private Detective: A bounty hunter during 15 years. In 1997, I had investigated the disappearance of a 13 years old child, which was finally found dead. In that time I had contacted a Medium woman which vision revealed to be exact. I even talked with her about the case. She has the same opinion as me.

    – What do you think about the fact that parents and Robert Murat were made arguidos?

    – The parents should have been treated as suspects since the beginning, but I don’t think they are guilty. May be one of the friends is hiding something. Concerning Robert Murat, his garden should have been excavated by the Police. I return tomorrow [today] to Cap Town, with the frustration of not having been able to do more…
    Jose (FR) | 10.30.07 – 3:30 am |

    Claudia

  96. 96
    claudia Says:

    any news about that south african guy?
    Claudia

  97. 97
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    Martin Van Wyk is back to Cape Town. At least he left Portugal on Friday, Dec. 11, 2009 at 2 pm. from Lisbon via Frankfurt. As far as could be verified for now – he did not achieve anything and it would be a waste of time to pay too much attention to his activities. Wouldn’t there be the strange coincidence of the McScams given us the honour of their visit to Portugal and Praia da Luz. I have no idea what they are up to. Maybe, discussing the strategy with their crazy retired police detective, I think his name is Elgar or similar, how to locate Maddie within the 10 miles lawless areas in the vicinity of PDL? I hope the people of PDL give them a very warm welcome and either kick them out of town immediately to let them know how the Portuguese (at least 90 %) feel about them, or keep an eye on them and report every of their moves to the Portimão police. Especially, if they should see Gerry carrying a shovel!

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    claudia Says:

    justiceseeker/Midas:
    what´s the reason Martin and Liberty(maybe same person) had to post in here
    asking for sponsoring,etc..etc…??????
    He did not need a sponsor…He did not find anything…so what´s the reason of that much
    attention in this blog?
    Sorry,I don´t get it!…doesn´t make sense!
    Claudia

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    Midas Says:

    I don’t know. But it gave us a laugh at their expense. Just more game-playing. One day it will be the endgame.

    Good to hear Dr. Amaral on the news telling the press that the McCanns cannot pin swine flu on him. Glad to see he still has a sense of humour. He must be greatly cheered to hear that Duarte needed the McCanns support in Portugal becase 90% of the people were against what they were doing. What a farcical operation this court case is.

    As Dr. Amaral points out, his book is only reporting what is in the investigation files.

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    Jane Prosser Says:

    To Site Admin. A while back you asked for a link to the story about the McCanns having a ‘private’ meeting with the Pope. Sorry to have taken so long to come back to you, I haven’t looked on this site for a while. Here a link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/29/ukcrime.catholicism

    Site Admin: Thanks Jane. Whether the private meeting took place or not is still open to speculation I guess. One thing that is not open to speculation from that article is this comment:

    “Yesterday the McCann family visited a 75 sq metre (800 sq ft) inflatable poster of Madeleine that will be taken around the Algarve in an attempt to publicise her plight further. The poster, which highlights a £1.5m reward being offered through the News of the World, was paid for by Chris Lennox and Les Harley, two advertising professionals from Glasgow, who drove it 2,200 miles from Scotland to Praia da Luz.”

    I personally contacted the company who made that inflatable billboard and there’s an article on this site about it. Chris Lennox and Les Harley most definitely did not pay for the inflatable poster.

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    midas Says:

    I check in every day to see if there is any news from Liberty or Van Wyk and there is still nothing at all. I hope they have not abandoned us. Let us hope they return soon with an update. Having said that, I suppose we will be too busy to bother about Van Wyk over the next couple of weeks as we will be watching Dr. Amaral defending himself against the McCanns and hearing more about Halligan’s extradition.

    What a pity that the McCanns or Murat have still not asked for the case to be taken down off the shelf yet.

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    Liberty Says:

    Liberty here. Just want to share I am definitely not van Wyk. He is my brother. I wanted to support him in solving a mystery that has lead to a lot of people barking up the wrong tree. It seems the innocent people who really want to help, become the object of suspicion; whilst those who hide a guilty secret are literally getting away with murder. There is no South African ‘connection’. The plain truth is someone from South Africa was sure that he could solve the case. But some people can’t see the wood for the trees… We had a very sad case here in Soouth Africa about twenty years ago when a man by the surname van Rooyen and his mistress ‘kidnapped’ five young girls; the police left no stone unturned; psychics were involved but to this day they have not been found. Both died, with their dark secret. Not a single clue. Many people go missing, but people become interested in the cases that are publicised, because it intrigues them; we all want the truth to come out. They think they may have answers. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong. Sometimes the cases are left to ‘die’ a quiet death. But not in the case of Madeleine. Personally I believe she is dead. But I have no evidence. A message from a psychic to my brother intrigued me, and although I wished it were possible for Madeleine to be found alive, I really think that is not the case, and it would be good even if her body was found, so that the case could come to rest. The families of the five girls who all disappeared in the same city region, over a short period of time all were known to have contact with van Rooyen but to this day nothing has been finalised and the families still live with the burden of not knowing. I’m not sure whether the McCanns had anything to do with her death. At times I thought they did. Many things still don’t add up, but I’m not the expert. Just someone who tried to help her brother in a case he believed he could solve. I have not followed the case for some time, and really not found out what the outcome of the case was against Mr Amaral. I will google and see what the outcome was. But for those that check for news: this is it. I hope justice will prevail and that this case will eventually be solved. Greetings from South Africa.

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    Judy Says:

    Coming to the anniversary of Maddie’s disappearance in a few days, I’d just like to say that from all the evidence and stories of the happenings of the night,am sorry but the Mccanns do seem not altogether innocent. My first thoughts were probably a disciplining session gone tragic,but with more and more facts not adding up with the stories of the Mccanns, coupled with the strange behaviour of deleting calls etc and their telephone use,it all seems to point towards a conspiracy. Kids can be real brats,real rascals indeed,and sometimes I wonder how i will manage rebellious cranky children if mine turn out this way, but killing them is not the solution. Rest in Peace Maddie, you are remembered by many all over the world.

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    Sarah Says:

    I have often wondered whether anyone ever picked up on what Gerry Mccann said in his first ‘speech’ to the press. He said ‘we first must do what is best for oursleves and then for Madeleine’. I remember being shocked hearing this on sky news back in 2007. First that any father would do what is best for himself first and then consider his abducted daughter’s needs after and yet now I beleive that if they Gerry and Kate are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance and tried to cover it up with a fake abduction story it is because they believed they were going to lose it all – their other children, their careers, home etc if they were to admit that there was an accidental overdose of sedative. I also remember being shocked to see that despite Kate McCann’s ‘grief’ she still managed to change her earrings, necklace, bracelets and watch almost daily including a plethora of premeditated outfits all crisply ironed. If my little girl had disappeared under those circumstances I am not sure I could even have washed for weeks let alone actually thought about my ‘look’. I do not want to think ill of them but I do feel that even if they are not guilty of her death – they are a cold unemotional couple of many many levels.

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    Curious Says:

    Sarah I’m with you on this; It was Kate and Gerry’s odd behaviour, her perfectly curled little ribbons and flawless, expertly matched jewellery, and frankly, her lack of emotion, that made me suspicious.

    I’ll admit, I’d always assumed Maddie was seen the day she vanished but a lot of this information paints a picture she was long dead by the time the alarm was raised and probably already hidden.

    I am one of the ‘guilty by accident’ theorists; I think Maddie was hurt and died accidentally, not through malice but through tragedy. Or yes, perhaps she was sedated and had a fall or choked etc.
    Either way I dont think the girl was abused or intentionally harmed.
    I think a family holiday went horribly wrong. The McCann’s, through neglect, lost their child and panicked. As doctors with two other young children and Kate’s possible history if guardianship issues(I’d love more details on the apparent story she tried to rescind guardianship of Maddie, possibly only briefly while she got used to having the twins) Rather than admit their negligence and risk losing everything, they panicked, and hid her, deciding to pass it off as an abduction. I dont think it happened the day before she was reported missing, but maybe the day she was reported missing.
    Either way she was dead long enough to produce transferable ‘dead’ smells to toys and blankets which alerted the cadaver dogs.

    As you said, the author, deleting call details and texts speaks to a certain level of malice and awareness but you also raised the point that Kate may have been in shock…it’s entirely possible she deleted a lot of stuff on her phone as she thought it might block or delay an attempt at contact.
    It’s a known fact that a lot of phones, when their inboxes or memory fill up, can be delayed in receiving or can even cease receiving incoming calls and texts.
    My phone does it, my families phones have, my friends, my bf, etc. She may have had the presence of mind to clear her phone, randomly, and free up memory. That would explain that one wrong number being kept while other numbers where deleted. Or maybe she deleted numbers who’s names she had but kept the wrong number in case it was personally significant?

    I dont know, cant say, etc.

    What I do know is, like I say, Sarah hit the nail on the head. The McCann’s where/are an oddly composed, cold couple for a family who lost their child abroad.
    Not to mention the question’s Kate didn’t answer etc, none of which where particularly damning, just facts about the case.
    If a child of mine went missing i’d be hardpressed to stop screaming, let alone wash and fabulously dress every day. And I would tell them EVERYTHING. They’d have too MUCH information from me if I thought it would help.

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    widowan Says:

    Anyone know what happened to the 3arguidos forum? The owner of the forum, Bren appeared to be having second thoughts about keeping up the site due to a sudden, violent 180 about face in her feelings about the case. Only a couple weeks ago (June or July 2010) the site appeared to have expired – http://www.the3arguidos.info – due to the domain name expiring. I’m keen to know if I’ve just gotten the web address wrong or if this forum, the follow on to the original the3arguidos,has actually given up the ghost. The original site was fantastic and had been created fro people who had been on the Mirror Forum when they had that shut down.

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    widowan Says:

    I have been looking into some criminal profiling blogs and found an interesting one by an American criminal profiler, Pat Brown. If you google Pat Brown blog you ought to be able to find it, and under Kate McCann, an string of 9 blog entries with extremely interesting assessment by this profiler who has decades of such work under her belt and has come out based on the profiling work comprised of sociology, criminal justice learnings, statistics, pyschology, behavioral science, forensics, and all the stuff that makes up criminal profiling, with some commentary very close to what laymen were coming up with as “gut” instincts as to what likely occurred. She finds it 99% likely that MM is dead and draws a scenario where the body was mummified then removed from Portugal by the parents, which eviently isn’t nearly as bizzare, difficult or unusual as it seems to some people.
    She hasn’t had a recent blog on it but many of the “reasons” provided by those who believe in McCanns’ innocence, for why they could not have done this, are swiftly laid to rest by Pat Brown. She hasn’t seemingly read the police report after it came out, yet feels that the parents are incredibly narcissistic and that the most likely case is that Madeleine was “taken” in death while the parents were busy neglecting their children – and they know it and their statements lead to this conclusion.

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    widowan Says:

    I’ve been checking out a criminal profiling blog, a woman who is quite famous as a profiler and a commentator – Pat Brown – she has addressed this casein 9 blogs which interestingly enough come to the same conclusion based on forensics, behavioral science, criminal justice learnings, psychology, etc – all the stuff profiling takes into account – that many of us have come to as lay people. She did not continue to follow the case long after the parents fled having been named arguidos, so hasn’t even SEEN the good evidence in the report – however based on what she did see of them., their behavior on the night, and previous nights, their statements and actions afterwards, their hiring of Metodo 3, their narcissistic behavior and some assessment of the language in their statements has simply arrived at the conclusion, MM is 99% likely dead and more shockingly lays to rest quite swiftly most of the “reasons” the McCann supporters offer as evidence that this can not have been down to them including moving the body several times, its mummification in a sandy shallow grave in hot weather and then ultimate removal to England! She states if she were the PJ the place to look, while continuing to explore the possibility that it was an abduction, may be in Leicester. She addresses Kate’s moan in one blog about how the reason people aren’t sympathetic to her is her fitness or appearance and states that her appearance, fitness, wealth, status etc is what has saved her from being clapped into jail instantly as a fat, working class parent would have been given the evidence even “if” they are only guilty of quite appalling child neglect.
    Google Pat Brown blog, and scroll down to kate mccann or gerry mccann, there’s quite an interesting little body of work there that puts some clear, experienced eyes (shes done this for decades and has her own profiling school and is quite non nonsense) on this case from an outide perspective.

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    Liam Says:

    Kate’s growing annoying to the world now. She’s not the only woman in the world to lose a child, through dissappearance or to death. Maddie could still be alive, no one knows exactly, but some people in the world have had it way worse than her. So why does she get donated to and manage to get herself a book deal..? Greedy bitch.

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    Kate McCann releasing a book - General Chatter Forum (Page 60) Says:

    […] Anyone seen this? http://truthformadeleine.com/2008/12…s-kate-mccann/ […]

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    Liz Y Says:

    Widowan, I know it’s been a while butI’ve read somewhere, someone recommending a post of yours on Gerry’s missing bag. I can’t find it anywhere, can you enlighten me?

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    lou lou Says:

    Hi,
    I have just brought the book Madaline and to be quite frank and I have only read the first two chapers of this book but it is all about Kate,Me me me !!!!!
    Too be honest if they were a couple from a council house estate then they would have had their two other children taken away and put into care, for negegence if you remember one lady went to pub and left her children and they were taken from her..
    How can two perents leave their children three of them all 3 and under alone not once but every night alone in a strange place????? this cannot be true!!! I took my 13 year old grandaughter to turkey last year just the two of us and she was never out of my sight I even slept in the bed nearest the hotel bed room door, so should any thing or one enter I would be alerted..
    The fact is they left 3 very small children on their own every night how dare kate write in her book that people are speaking ill of her and that they are evil, what I ask my self has she done????

    The book is all poor me and why don;t I shop at aldi when people see me shopping in M/S wake up kate…. everyone want poor maddie to be found safe and well and I cannot begin to imagin what I would do if I lost my children or grandchildren, I brought two children up from been 1 and three on my own worked full time but I did not ever leave the alone for a single second.

    What you did can not be accpptable ever, stop pointing the finger to everyone but your self because this is what you do look after you as you did on the sad and terrible night, was you so fed up of looking after your children where they too much trouble??? Tell me Kate if a perent had left there children and had them taken away from them as a GP what would you say to them?????? Yes they should never of left their children alone. same goes for you too. You are selfish, and playing the victim, sadly it was Maddie who has suffered as a result of you selfishness and not you !!! I hope you find your daughter safe and well, But don’t think this will ever happen do you???

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    kali Says:

    i’m with the majority i believe she is dead too, sad as that is but if it was them who done it personaly with their bare hands or she fell foul to a stranger i still believe it is their fault those kids should not have been left on their own in a country that is not their own… i think her crying for her dad was probably dew to some accident happening and they’ve got back and she’s choked anything could have happend and she was crying and nobody could hear her to bother checking in so they’ve freaked out because not only do they know they will be blaimed and hated by the world they would be bang up to rights…why was these children dumped in the day/night care all the bleeding time why did they not want to enjoy their holiday with their kids and the fact she has written a book which i only found out earlier in the name of finding maddy funds.. get off your ass stop writing books to get yourself some cash an sympathy out of a tragedy that is your childs exploiting the situation which is inapropriate on soo many levels an get hunting hi an low for your little girl. if people saw them doing something productive they would help them willingly anyway.. may god bless the child where ever she may be and i prey she is not in any pain or suffering, we all hope an wish for you to return one day but if that is not to be then sleep with the angels x

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    Jo Says:

    The tragedy of this case I believe is the amount of police time and public resources wasted in Portugal, the UK and other countries searching for a child who may have died in her holiday apartment with the full knowledge of her parents and perhaps others. What other disasters have occurred that could have been avoided if all these resources had not been used up in what seems like a fruitless search? The extent of the damage caused by this apparently useless search may never be known because funding for other matters may well have been cut back especially in a country as poor as Portugal is.

    One very important part of an investigation into the disappearance of a child requires that the parents provide police with all the help they can in establishing beyond doubt that the child was indeed abducted. From what we know of the initial police investigation with sniffer dogs and also further investigation with the cadaver dog Eddie and the crime scene (blood detection) dog Kayla, all the evidence seems to point to Madeleine’s death in the holiday apartment and cover up by the parents and possibly their friends. They seem to have interfered negatively in the investigation rather than helped.

    My strong belief lies in the theory I read elsewhere that the McCanns appear to have wanted to avoid an autopsy on Madeleine’s body at any cost. Are they still allowed to administer medical treatment to their remaining children? That I believe would be scandalous. As for the apparent interference in this case by politicians in high places, do these politicians past or present, understand the meaning of the Westminster Convention of the Separation of Powers in that the executive government who legislate, are not allowed to interfere in the judicial process at any stage??? I would have thought that the initial stages of a police investigation are part of that process. British police were dispatched to Portugal to look at the evidence. To overlook evidence from the initial investigation and simply accept without doubt the word of the parents that the child was abducted
    regardless of any evidence to the contrary, appears to me to be a miscarriage of justice.

    Site Admin: It certainly was a gross miscarriage of justice. Also, don’t forget the abysmal way in which the witnesses were interviewed in England in April 2008 at Leicestershire Constabulary. Those interviews are a complete farce. The Tapas 7 witnesses were virtually directed in what they should say. People were on first name terms with the police, there were hundreds of bogus sightings and the information from the Gaspar statements was deliberately withheld from the PJ for almost 6 months. Regarding sightings, let’s face it – people still claim to see Elvis and Lord Lucan. Whether Madeleine died or not, there will always be people wasting police time on “sightings”.

    The McCanns are bare faced liars and if they were in the USA, I feel sure a Grand Jury would have indicted them a long time ago.

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    Elizabeth Says:

    Those babies should have never been left alone, that is a crime in itself. The behavior of the parents is bizarre I don’t even know how they could leave the country that their child is “missing” in. Poor little Maddie. I remember seeing a news brief with the McCanns shortly after the alleged disapperance of Maddie and they were at their home with a decorated Christmas tree in the background. I remember thinking “how could they even celebrate a holiday while their child is “missing” in another country”. I also heard she washed the babies stuffed toy shortly after the “disappearance”, that of all things is not something a mother would do. Number one I wouldn’t even think about doing wash, number two that is your babies toy with her scent. They know what happened to Maddie, I can only pray that one day justice will prevail.

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    emma Says:

    I think the reason they continue to act like not much has changed is because they have 2 other kids.I know if anything happened to my son I would kill myself,I just wouldn’t cope.But them not keeping it together would be no good for the other kids.They have to continue on for the sake of the siblings.Also,falling apart will do noone any good.Yes there has been strange behaviour but have any of you got a missing child?People deal with problems in different ways and this is there way.Normality is essential for their sanity.Also,if they start loosing it then they WILL loose the other kids,social services would take them away.Think about it,we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and they are innocent until proven guilty.I really hope that one day that little girl comes back but I believe that is very unlikely 🙁 The book is to raise funds to keep that case open,I don’t think they’ll be making profits on the loss of their baby girl…….

    Site admin: Absolute nonsense! The McCanns have never been seen looking for their first born child. Of course they are making profits – look at their accounts and see the corporation tax they have paid. Tax is only paid on profits! In 2007 they paid over £37,000 for a website that would cost under £1000 at commercial rates. Who got the other £36,000? People do not generally deal with things differently because, after all, we are all humans and therefore we do the same things as each other. We grieve, we laugh, we cry etc. “Innocent until proven guilty” only means “in the eyes of the law”, it doesn’t mean you really are innocent. The Yorkshire Ripper was “innocent” on the same basis until the jury found him guilty but obviously he wasn’t ever “innocent” because he had butchered many women in a long period of time. Even after he confessed that he was the Ripper after his arrest, he was still legally “innocent”. He only became guilty after the verdict was issued by the court. There is always a period of time between a crime being committed and a guilty verdict where a person is deemed “innocent”. It doesn’t mean they really are innocent though.

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    Sonia Says:

    I think it’s too easy to judge others until you have “walked in their shoes”. None of us is perfect and they made a terrible mistake with terrible consequences. It’s extremely unlikely given the fact that they were surrounded by people – particularly after Madeleine disappeared – by journalists, family, curious onlookers that they could have done removed her body. They happen to be very well educated people with good connections meaning that their daughter’s disappearance has been given higher profiling – but this has raised awareness for many other missing children and in a sense then this couldn’t have happened to a “better” family because of their constant efforts and work with other organisations and initiatives – most notably their campaigns for for a Europe-wide missing child alert. Petty comments about Kate’s jewellery and a Christmas tree for her kiddies..only make one wonder at the mindset of the observer.. Kate is an elegant woman with 2 other little ones to consider .. The bottom line is, she is a mother grieving for her baby and enduring everyone’s very worst fear, using every bit of wit and strength and influence to search for their daughter and to stop anyone from ever forgetting her and until she is proven gone, she is alive somewhere. How can anyone begrudge her that? Wouldn’t you do the same if it was your child? Would you go to such enormous lengths to keep the media spotlight firmly trained on you if you had something to hide? A bit of a risk I’d say – and yet, this family have risked it all to find their child – including the unending criticism from insensitive “judges” who don’t really know anything at all. Were you there? Did you see what happened that night? Are you walking in this family’s shoes today? None of us was has the right to make judgements based on hearsay.. why would they receive an apology from the papers, be eliminated as suspects and receive as much support and funding as they do if there weren’t many many people who felt that they – and especially little Madeleine – deserved this? She is the real victim here – so remember whenever you pillory her parents, that you are hindering the search – unless you have something valuable to bring to the table.

    Site Admin: Your first sentence presupposes that you know exactly what happened. You say they made a terrible mistake. Can you provide evidence of this terrible mistake please? If not then you are just as guilty of the same faults you accuse others of. “Extremely unlikely” is not “impossible” is it? Since when were crimes like this “extremely likely”? What does education, status or their campaigning for Amber Alert have to do with their innocence or guilt? Answer: NOTHING.

    So what if they went on a tour to campaign for awareness of other missing children. That does not remove them being the last people to see Madeleine alive (by their own admission) and statistically it does not diminish the chance that they were guilty of harming Madeleine because the math doesn’t lie. What has being “elegant” and having 2 other kids to consider got to do with anything? In April 2007 she had 3 kids to consider. What a pity she didn’t consider the oldest of the 3 kids eh?

    Do you live at the McCanns’ home per chance? If not, how do you know they are grieving? We’ve all seen them laughing and joking on many photos and videos. Gerry was laughing and joking a few days after Madeleine was reported missing and the pair of them were laughing and joking as they left the church on what would have been Madeleine’s 4th birthday. That doesn’t look like grieving.

    If it were my child who was really missing, I would have participated in a re-enactment of the alibis. I would have helped the police in every way possible. The McCanns haven’t. They dodged a re-enactment with petty excuses. Gerry McCann sat in on Kate’s interview on May 4 when as we all know, he should have been interviewed totally separately. Why did they prevent the police from examining Madeleine’s medical records and the parent’s financial information? The British police claim that Gerry has no record of having credit cards. That’s strange because in his blog he claims they were stolen when his wallet was stolen! He also rented a car and we have the last 4 digits of his credit card on the rental agreement – also in the police file. Why then the secrecy with the McCanns’ financial information?

    To answer another one of your questions, NO – I would not be bothered about the media ahead of helping the police. The police are going to find the girl – not the media.

    Contrary to what you think and say, we all have the right to think and say whatever we want – that’s what a free country means. In this website we say the McCanns had something to do with the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine and two-thirds of the population also believe that. Therefore we can think and say what we like.

    Finally, I don’t know of anyone basing their judgement on hearsay. The facts are all there. Did you not read the police file? Do you not realise that the police investigated this as a homicide with a staged abduction? That is truth and fact – not hearsay.

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    john dedman Says:

    Kate McCann (anethetist) killed her daughter with a drug overdose. And that is the truth

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    Lizella Says:

    I think, Kate and Gerry had a dispute the night before. Gelousy about the woman at the bar who joined Gerry at his table. The many deleted messages and phone calls, many of which Gerry didn’t answer because he knew it was from his wife. She slept in the spare room and the next day they did activities separate from each other. The problem had not been solved and that is where and when everything went haywire.

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    Jo Says:

    @ Lizella
    Gerry claimed he thought Kate was in the spare room because of his snoring so why would he ignore calls from her? Not sure what you are getting at with the ‘haywire’ theory.
    @ john dedman
    I don’t know the whole truth but it’s certainly not coming from the McCanns mouths IMO and your theory does get to the point and would explain why Kate has shown no interest in practising anaesthesia again. I didn’t know that was her specialist area of medicine for a long time as with hindsight it seems to have been played down ( ? by the McCanns) in earlier media reports as she was portrayed as a GP thus diverting attention away from the ‘medicating’ of the children. On my visits to the UK years ago when my children were young I was surprised to say the least when I heard parents or grandparents mentioning giving children medicines that had sedating effects, on a regular basis. Not an acceptable practice if that does happen anywhere in the world and I don’t know why it would happen in the UK any more than here in Australia. Forgive me if my observations were wrong but Kate’s mother or father did say that she gave the children some such medicine as if that was fine.

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    joanne Says:

    Many people have said that kate and gerry were/are acting cold and unemotional and not acting how they should be if they had a daughter abducted but i have to agree with emma above we are all different and respond to situations in different ways. Look at Lindy chamberlain in the Northern territory Australia, she has been acquitted after being charged and going to jail because she said a dingo stole her baby and the media thought she was cold and unemotional and not ating the way she was supposed to…turns out that was just how she reacted to the situation. i dont know if they are guilty or innocent and neither does anyone as there is not enough evidence either way but just because they act unemotional does not prove they are guilty.

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    irina Says:

    Mccanns… I never believed them. This case stinks.Poor little girl! I just hope one day we will find the truth. They neglected the children and as a result something horrible happened that night.they choosed to cover it up because they would loose to much. Job,other two children and future in prison. No one who I know support a stupid version with abduction!

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    vienna Says:

    The Mccanns are guilty as sin.. 1) to leave children alone.. 2)What parents go jogging when the little daughter is missing, 3) wash all evidence of cuddlecat.. Kate not to talk without jerry.. 4)different statements by all.. (5 why would any parent leave the country when the child is missing in that country? Poor child was never going to make it home alone, so why would her parents return without her? Running running running from the truth..
    The parents appear cold, heartless and acted in such a bizzare way when the child was missing.. why? they have had huge amounts of money by way of donation and so much more from the papers for hinting the parents to blame.. money grabbers these people are, not so long away moaning maddies fund is drying up? why do they pay the mortgage from it them? just saying thought it was the maddie fund? now kate with her book all me me me me.. what about your daughter kate..
    I do wish this child was found safely, however, i dont think this will ever be the case.. the POLICE NEED TO RE-OPEN AND LOOK CLOSER TO HER PARENTS…

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    Nicko Says:

    Still MANY people believe the McCann’s are guilty and I hope the pressure is NEVER off them.
    They left those children alone; well you could say “that’s OK many people do” but they don’t leave the door unlocked do they? Now why would they leave the door unlocked “… in case there was a fire” we are told. Yeah right – three toddlers would not leave a burning building calmly; they would just lie screaming in their beds. There’s only one reason for the door being unlocked and that is because if it had been locked then the abduction ploy could not have been used. The door had to be unlocked so they could claim somebody took Madeleine – after all they couldn’t lock the door and then risk staging a break-in (somebody might hear).
    Then there’s the issue of when the police had a suspect who lived about 1/4 mile from where the McCann’s were staying. The police have a man under suspicion, he lives within walking distance and Mr McCann gives a calm statement to the press saying that he has faith in the portugese and he’ll await developments. What?! You tell me any father who wouldn’t be champing at the bit to get to that man and beat a confession out of him.
    No. There’s all teh suspicious stuff before the event plus everything after the event.
    Kate and Gerry – you will rot in hell if you’ve harmed Madeleine and withheld the truth.

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    Tom Says:

    Why don’t the McCanns take a lie detector test,,, It would prove to all, either they are innocent or guilty…. I think the mother gave Maddie a sedative and Maddie never woke up…

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    tiny susie Says:

    I think from what i saw on ophrah that Kate shook Madeleine as she did a bit of demonstration of how she would shake Madeleine,if kate really smashed up a bed seems perfectly plausable she could be in rage with Madeleine for crying and spoiling their tapas dinners and wine parties by her crying.She also showed a waving motion of her arm on a Panorama documentary so I think she gotangry and agressive in drink and temper and out of rational control and clocked Madeleine good and hard for crying at night while they drank,…..why else would she mention looking to see if poor Madeleine was cowering in a cupboard,she said she found madeleine difficult to control,and I think as they put their needs before their children they were perfectly capable of other cruelty and rages too,I think they both look capable of flying out of control in anger without thinking it to be wrong sadly my opinion is that in all truth and may be worse as the find madeleine they planned things ahead …..how did they know to make events long in advance unless they knes madeleine was never coming back because they both Knew she is dead.Why did gerry sayhe was not on holiday to enjoy himself,clearly he had plans and they both back each other up instead of argue over poor Madeleine they ae as thick as thieves and even where matching clothing,they were in it together planned in my opinion as was the find madeleine all planned and too well planned to be genuine i.m.o.most people percentage wise think along the same lines as i do,that we are all being lied to repeatedly and conned and in some cases bullied for doubting their ever changing styories.

  127. 127
    anon Says:

    I think the Portugese police know very well the core of what happened, and that it is very, very serious, and involved. I also think, other than that, they probably are not aware of the half of it, for it is big and far too strange to deal with. Going in every direction. It can’t add up. What to do?

    And, while constrained by the British state, why should they waste their resources on an enquiry about a British girl, involving the British parents, hampered by the British, when the parents are supported in non-cooperation, when the British police can try it themselves, with or without British people stopping them?

    Even of what the Portugese police do actually know, and not quite prove or, separately, do anything much, what then can it matter?

    The girl is gone. She is OK, at least, where she is. That’s over.

  128. 128
    anon Says:

    While, it matters. At the same time. Of course.

    What I am saying is it also doesn’t matter anymore. People can do what they can do. Anything more is kind of against the earth. When that is what the other camp are doing anyway, the perpetrators, and who knows what all it is or where it stops (it probably doesn’t), it’s good enough to think, in one sense – it doesn’t matter. While, yet, of course, it will still matter in ways.

  129. 129
    Mick McNulty Says:

    In a case like this not everybody can stay quiet forever and it only takes one person who knows something to speak out…somebody in the bar that night, or in the Portuguese or British police, or the media, or even the Establishment. This is not one of those cases which was hardly reported then quietly forgotten; this case is of world-wide importance and the secrecy must be tearing somebody apart. Even if the decision to tell what they know is still years away from being made, there are many contributors on this site who will still be alive to finally hear it. It just remains to be seen if the McCanns are still alive when the truth does come out, or if indeed it is one of them who discloses it.

  130. 130
    anon (from 128) Says:

    Most of what you’re saying is true, Mick, but I disagree in my estimate about whether the full truth will come out or not. From this length of time since the happening, the achievement has been carried out now, close to 100% – the achievement of keeping the truth hidden and the avoidance of verifiable blame of the McCanns and their circle. The crucial time is more or less over now. It’s funny that the British police give a watershed of this Christmas time when they think they will have to wind down to finish their investigation. A co-incidence, the end of this year must be really just at the final point of the crucial time for “successfully” hiding the truth and avoiding blame.

    This is really more or less over now for the McCanns, their circle, the other perpetrators.

    Look at the Jimmy Saville affair going on now, and affair after the man’s death. Everyone knew. So many were involved illegally with some connection in it or the same kind of thing, linked. No successful actions were ever developed against Saville. A lot of people made sure of that. One thing about that affair is that, now police are stating there are over 300 separate lines of abuse enquiry, and calling Saville the most prolific sex offender ever (or juvenile sex offender, I’m not sure).

    But I reckon that those 300 lines to claims of abuse episodes are not even the half of the real story. Honestly. There are people, not a small number, who just will never, ever say. They just don’t want to, they don’t want to think. Most are relieved that the substance of the man’s psychopathic nature is out there now. But for their own experience(s), it’s too hard and troubling, or just seems not worth bothering about with a serious police investigation about a dead man who is known as a criminal now anyway. I guess there can easily be even more of those people that those who have said.

    Anyway, what I’m illustrating is the hugeness of an abuse affair, the largeness of people involved and people who were victims and hugeness of people who more or less knew. And it led to nothing against Saville during all the decades of the man’s life. He died officially as no-one connected with sex abuse.

    With the Madeleine McCann affair, there was only one victim as what is investigated as the disappearance of a child.

    You are right, Mick, that there are people who know the truth, or more or less know, outside the McCanns’s circle from their holiday and the hotel workers.

    But, for those intent on concealing the truth, the crucial period is very nearly over. And after that, the chances of the truth ever coming out are very slim. I guess it’s just the chance of someone saying something amiss and being caught – even then most things can be easily explained away or covered up. There is a slim chance someone who knows can tell. But it’s so unlikely after this crucial period. Again, look at the Saville affair, and there are many others.

    No, I can’t see that the truth will become public now. Alas.

  131. 131
    Wendela Says:

    i think the mccanns should be wiretapped.

  132. 132
    G1 Says:

    I say they probably were, Wendela, in a way that will never come out, whether it was legal or not to tap their comms.

    Some of the wider theories have Gerry McCann having knowledge of “big events” in the past involving corrupt or illuminati government people, royalty, law enforcement people and / or celebrities.

    The theories suggest Madeleine’s disappearance was something to do with a ring which had also had connections with the big events Gerry may have known about. Then they suggest Gerry McCann more or less blackmailed well known people for support, hence the strange interference of powerful and well known British people in what was probably to become a murder enquiry, but then didn’t.

    One thing would be for sure, that if those stories have any credence and relevance to what went on, the McCanns were tapped every second. In their cars, homes, phones etc. etc.

    And if those stories don’t really have relevance to the world and the McCanns, I’d find it hard to believe that secret services weren’t tapping their phones anyway. Gerry has a sex abuse conviction history. Their friends went to police suggesting they thought it likely Madeleine was abused by Gerry, maybe Kate, and friend Payne.

    Gerry and Kate took the highest profile and the global media had a frenzy which went on and on and on. Even if everything could have been bona-fide in the British world – the politicians, royalty and law people and so on, meaning they couldn’t actually be connected in any way to M. McCann’s disappearance – serious people in law enforcement circles would have been very concerned about those people. Their history. Their amazingly high profile – going to PMs, politicians, heads of largest world religions! and so on.

    There must have been serious worries about their sanity in what we used to call “secret service” departments, and that there were risks. After all, they must have been instantly 50/50 suspects as murderers of Madeleine (probably a higher likelihood, given the statistics saying most similar disappearances were due to close family or friends, known people).

    Then, the Portugese investigation went to thinking clearly that Kate and Gerry were to blame, but the P Police just couldn’t find the evidence to convict finally, and the alleged sightings were still going on. And the UK prevented evidence going to the P Police, and suddenly Portugese registered physical evidence became lost or changed in the UK.

    So – whether or not K and G were actually in some kind of agreement with well known people or public role people who had things to hide from the UK – it seems to me as likely as anything is they were tapped and recorded here. I think Secret services would do that thing at the drop of a hat in the past, with any issue that there was some worry over or seemed strange. Things have probably changed in the last decade or two, but I doubt it changed too much. I guess tappings still go on.

    Could be wrong, of course! I just can’t really hold the alternative – seems unlikely.

  133. 133
    Mag Says:

    Trial For The McCanns! http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/trial-for-the-mccanns/ Enough is Enough. Watch the video on You Tube… All linked and sharable. Justice For Madeleine!

  134. 134
    Ann Other Says:

    I’ve used Analysts Notebook and excel to analyse phone traffic and its not going to get any useful results in this case. Clearly there are those who think the McCanns are monsters. I don’t but that is an uninformed opinion, like the rest of you. But if she had been killed and her body dumped it would have turned up by now. So something else happened.

  135. 135
    Jude Says:

    THE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED: Why did you leave your very young children on their own? Did you need a break? How were you and Gerry getting along? And, why did you wash “snuggle cat”? Very unusual to wash something belonging to a loved one, immediately after death OR when someone goes missing – Totally inhumane AND with regard to any other loved one, in this respect, unless of course you are hiding something. AUSTRALIA

  136. 136
    john Says:

    Petition only on facebook/twtr could be a mistake – might have been better to also allow
    email signings giving possibly much greater number of signatures

  137. 137
    G1 Says:

    Correction to comment 132 above:

    Paragraph 5 said:

    “And if those stories don’t really have relevance to the world and the McCanns, I’d find it hard to believe that secret services weren’t tapping their phones anyway. Gerry has a sex abuse conviction history. Their friends went to police suggesting they thought it likely Madeleine was abused by Gerry, maybe Kate, and friend Payne.”

    It was a error to write Gerry McCann has some history in conviction for sex abuse. (I used the wrong words, I wasn’t thinking straight.) Such isn’t known publicly, and there isn’t any evidence of any such conviction. Gerry McCann had, though, some kind of inquiry record in relation to some kind of unknown involvement with a case of sexual connected abuse (on the British national CATS system). It is not known what this is. While there has not been any publicly given evidence or allegation of Gerry’s missing daughter, Madeleine, ever having been connected with any form of child abuse, involving family or anyone else.

  138. 138
    luiz carlos moreno Says:

    may name is luiz carlos moreno, I”m brazilian, investigation madeleine mccann case after 4 yers:

    MADELEINE MCCANN THIS IN AMSTERDAM, I”m PROVS, WITH FHOTOS AND VIDEOS, MOVIES

    contact email morenoluizcarlos@terra.com.br

    call 5511-55850906
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  139. 139
    LUIZ CARLOS MORENO Says:

    PLEASE HELPE ME TO RESCUE MADELEINE MCCANN IN AMSTERDAM

    I”m PROVS

    luiz carlos moreno from brazil

    contact: email morenoluizcarlos@terra.com.br

    call 5511 55850906
    mobile 5511 9 72985337

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