More on the deleted call records – Where Was Kate McCann?

By Paulo Reis and associates (*)

The CD issued by Ministerio Publico de Portimao in July 2008, contains a great deal of information on the mobile calls made and received by the “Tapas 9” but it is dispersed, difficult to retrieve and with important pages and charts missing. The main documents of interest from the CD are:

  • A 3 page report by the Policia Judiaria (undated, but probably 4th May 2007) listing call records retrieved from the handsets of Mr and Mrs McCann
  • A detailed (and excellent report) by Inspector Paulo Dias, Inspector of UNI-Sector de Análise, Lisbon, dated 9th November 2007
  • Schedules provided by Vodafone on 14th December 2007 covering a period from 29th April 2007 for Gerald McCann, David Payne, Rachael Mampilly, broken into four separate sections for incoming and outgoing telephone calls, incoming and outgoing SMS traffic
  • A second report by Inspector Dias dated 5th February 2008, containing time bars, link charts and maps pinpointing where the “Tapas 9’s” sets were when they activated antennae
  • A third report by Inspector Dias dated 2nd June 2008 which includes details of activations of the Luz and other mobile antenna from 28th April 2007 to September 2007
  • The Rogatory Letter requests and correspondence dated from 5th December 2007 to May 2007 and responses from the Home Office in April and May 2008

The PJ used a program, called the “Analyst’s Notebook” as well as “Excel” to handle what were very large datasets. Inspector Dias pointed out that “Excel” was far from ideal, because of its limited capacity and it seems that much of the data provided was paper based and had to be rekeyed. Also the main focus of the research was limited to the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007. But, despite the problems, the PJ’s work is impressive, innovative and very detailed. For example, there is a brilliant analysis (which unfortunately led nowhere) based on the hypothesis of two abductors each working with mobiles in the Ocean Club area immediately before Madeleine was reported missing. There is another excellent piece of work which tracks down a misrouted call, from Swansea, to Kate McCann at 11.21 on Wednesday 2nd May 2007.

However, there are potentially serious omissions:

  • The most important records were not available when Mr and Mrs McCann attended their “Arguido interviews” on 6th and 7th September 2007 and it is doubtful that they were ever reviewed by the very experienced analysts from the Leicestershire Police, whose team left the Algarve soon after the McCann’s return to the UK in September 2007
  • There are no detailed call records from the mobile operators for Kate McCann, Russell O’Brien, Matthew Oldfield and Jane Tanner
  • When the PJ obtained the McCann’s mobiles they do not appear to have retrieved deleted data or to extract their contact lists
  • None of the telecom records show triangulation co-ordinates but are limited to identifying the single primary antenna on which calls were registered
  • The details of over 50 UK subscribers contacted by the Tapas 9 in the critical period, as well as their onward local and international call records, was included in the Rogatory Letter request in December 2007. If this information was provided, it is not in the CD
  • A critical link chart (Anexo 37) for Tuesday 1st May 2007 is missing from Inspector Dias’s report

These omissions make interpretation of the data difficult but what is available provides an interesting picture. First, it is obvious that the memories in the McCann’s mobiles were incomplete and, in Kate McCann’s case, selectively deleted.

Her mobile memory held details of 39 calls from 18.28 on Wednesday 25th April to 16.35 on 27th April 2007. After her arrival in Portugal on 28th April 2007, with the exception of one incoming call on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 at 11.21 (which, very interestingly, was the Swansea “wrong number”), and one call from her husband at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007, everything else has been “whoosh-clunked” from memory. These deletions could have been accidental, but a high degree of cunning could be implied. Why would she selectively delete everything up to Thursday 3rd May 2007 with the exception of one wrong number and what was her reason for deleting three of the four calls, between 23.14 and 23.17, from her husband on that critical night?. A possible answer is that she wished to avoid alerting the PJ to evidence that details of around 40 calls had been erased and she felt happier leaving something uncontroversial (or misleading) in memory for them to find. Another answer is that, unsurprisingly, she was under the most extreme stress imaginable following the disappearance of her daughter: but why, in that case, give priority to deleting anything. It is the last thing most parents would think about in the circumstances.

The first call found in Gerald’s mobile memory was timed at 00.30 on Friday 4th May 2007. Again matching antenna records to memory suggests that by the time he gave the handset to the PJ the records of 24 calls or SMSs had been erased, including the one from him found on his wife’s handset and timed at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007. It appears that he had deleted details of the four calls he made to her that night and she deleted just three. It was this simple discrepancy that first led the PJ to suspect interference with the handsets.

If the deletions were deliberate (and it is an “if”) it implies the McCann’s were both “forensically aware” and crafty and wanted to hide something from the PJ. For this reason, it is important to explore the call record data and to match it against other evidence.

On Saturday 28th April 2007, after their arrival in Luz, Kate McCann’s mobile triggered the antenna 9 times. It is not possible to say, from the available records, whether these were incoming or outgoing calls or SMSs or for how long they lasted. The last activations were at 20.55 and 20.59 when (based on their statements) the Tapas 9 returned for an early night after eating at the Millennium Restaurant with their children. All of these records were erased from the memory of Kate McCann’s mobile. Gerald McCann’s mobile did not activate any of the Luz antennae that day.

On Sunday 29th April 2007, the first activation of Kate McCann’s mobile was at 9.23, but again there are no Vodafone logs or time bars to provide further detail. However, by internally matching the antenna records it appears that she called her husband at 12.26 and 17.02.

The crèche records indicate that he collected Madeleine at 12.15. He also picked up the twins around 17.00 but mistakenly recorded the time as “12.30”. Chances are that the calls from Kate McCann were to check that he had picked up the kids. At 10.13 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx3899. The last activation by Kate McCann’s mobile was at 19.30 and Gerald’s at 17.02.

A pattern on this sheet (and it applies to all of the Tapas 9) is that no activations took place at any time during the week while they were at dinner. So maybe Clarence Mitchell was right, after all, and that they were so “into each other” that they didn’t want to be disturbed while sardine munching and left their mobiles in their rooms. They were never specifically asked this question, but it is very important and the point will be addressed later.

On Monday 30th April 2007, neither of the McCann’s telephones activated the Luz transmitters. This looks very odd, especially as they were around the Ocean Club to shuffle the kids to and from the crèches. On this afternoon, Madeleine remained in the crèche for only 15 minutes and was picked up by her mother at 15.30. We do not know what Madeleine did for the rest of the day, but it is possible she was being fractious. Interestingly, a friend of Mrs and Mr McCann supposedly told the “Dispatches” team that made a TV program on the tragedy, that “Madeleine was a screamer”. This could be interpreted in one of two ways, but any use of the past tense in referring to Madeleine would be very significant. It was such a past tense referral, to her supposedly living children, that alerted the FBI to their murder by Susan Smith, their mother.

On Tuesday 1st May 2007, Gerald McCann’s handset was silent all day. Kate McCann’s mobile first activated the Luz antenna at 10.16, but all details of the day’s calls have been deleted from the handset and there is no nothing in the CD from her mobile provider. Another activation took place at 12.17. The crèche records show that Gerald McCann picked up Madeleine at 12.20 (a bit earlier than usual) but Kate McCann’s call at 12.17 does not appear to have been to him, (because his mobile was not activated at all that day). Kate McCann dealt with her last call before leaving for the Tapas Bar at 20.35.

At around 8.45pm on Tuesday 1st May 2007, Miss Nejoua Chekeya, the Ocean Club’s busty Aerobics Instructor, held a “Quiz Night” and was later invited, allegedly by Gerald McCann, to join his table which she did sometime between 9.30pm and 9.50pm. She did not say how long she had remained with them, but she is not the sort of woman men would wish see to leave too quickly. Miss Chekeya stated that one dinner setting was unused and that she could not remember seeing Kate McCann.

However, both Jane Tanner and Russell O’Brien have stated that he did not go to the Tapas Bar on the “Quiz Night” (ie Tuesday 1st May 2007), but had stayed in their room looking after his sick daughter. Jane Tanner took his dinner to the room; thus explaining the unused plate setting. Russell O’Brien was not asked by either the Policia Judiciaria or Leicestershire Police whether he had heard Madeleine crying!

Kate McCann’s mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27, after she had returned to Apartment 5A after dinner. The antenna traffic proves that these calls were not made to any of the “Tapas 9”.

The evidence from the call logs gives the strongest clue that the “Tapas 9” left their telephones in their rooms when they went to dinner. Clarence Mitchell, the McCann’s spokesperson, confirmed this. In an interview, reported on 6th April 2008 by Ned Temko of “The Guardian”, Mr Mitchell said: “You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened…. We would say that, if the police had a perfect time line across nine people, that would be a damn sight more suspicious than the fractured, illogical, composite statements they might have got”

Mrs Fenn, the McCann’s neighbour, reported that Madeleine had cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45. The evidence shows that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A 14 minutes before Madeleine started crying. Tuesday 1st May 2007 is the only night (except, of course, for Thursday 3rd May 2007) that either of the McCanns or any of their friends made calls after dinner.

Mrs McCann volunteered to the PJ that on the night of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, she had slept in the spare bed in her children’s room because her husband had not paid her enough attention over dinner. Or put another way, does she mean the amorous Scot was paying someone else (like Miss Chekeya) too much attention, causing her to stomp out of the Tapas Bar before him: ultimately leading to the spare bed in a strop? Gerald McCann said he thought the reason his wife had slept in the children’s bedroom was because of his snoring and that he did not even bother asking her the following morning what the problem was.

Could it be that their timings are wrong by 24 hours and that Kate McCann’s nocturnal shenanigans took place on the night of Tuesday 1st May 2007? It would fit, but why be untruthful about it? A possible reason is that they wanted to conceal both Kate McCann’s state of mind and the fact that she had returned to Apartment 5A, just before Madeleine’s cried for help.

On Wednesday 2nd May 2007, Kate McCann called her friend “Amanda” at 7.36.41 and again at 7.36.45. This was around two hours earlier than any of mobile activations on any other morning: so Kate McCann was “up with the larks”. Amanda returned the calls at 7.50. There is no record of how long any of these calls lasted or whether they were SMSs. They were all deleted from memory.

At 8.07 Gerald McCann received a call from the SMS message centre (447818520047), but does not appear to have responded. At 8.50 Kate McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx27010 and returned it at 8.53, before going to play tennis. Gerald McCann received a series of calls from his SMS message centre between 9.10 and 10.47, again without response.

At 11.21 Kate received a call from what appears to be a landline in Swansea ( xxxxx0023). The report by Inspector Dias researched this call in detail (Page 21 in his report of 9th November 2007) and discovered that it had not activated any of the Luz antennae. But digging deeper, he found that another UK mobile (xxxxx 1583) had triggered the Luz antenna when connecting to the same Swansea number at 14.01. He dug even deeper, tracked all of the calls made from Luz by xxxx1583 and established it had no connection whatsoever with any of the “Tapas 9”. The Swansea call to Kate McCann was simply a “wrong number”, misrouted and thus not logged by the Luz antennae.

What Inspector Dias did not realise was that the Swansea call had become so special to Kate McCann that, when deleting all of the other Portuguese call records from memory, she decided to leave this one intact.

Gerald received five further calls from the SMS message centre and at 15.50 called 91121, probably to collect his messages. He received further calls from the centre at 17.49 and 19.49. The records provided by Vodafone show these calls but that they originate from a different mobile number (0xxxx014310)

At 20.08 Kate McCann received two calls from a UK mobile xxxx7624 and six minutes late Gerald McCann called 91121: again to collect messages before he left for the Tapas Bar. This was the last activation of the day by either of the McCanns; probably confirming that their mobiles remained in Apartment 5A when they went to dinner.

On Thursday 3rd May 2007 (the critical day) at 8.23 and 8.24 Kate McCann’s mobile activated the antenna to call xxxx7624. There is nothing in file to indicate the owner of this mobile but it does not appear to be any of the McCann family or friends.

At 12.24 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK Mobile xxxx1746. Again there is no clue in the file to the subscriber’s name. At 12.31 Kate McCann received a call (or SMS) from her mother’s mobile and responded an hour later.

Neither of the McCanns appears to have had any further activity on their telephones until after Madeleine was reported missing when Gerald McCann called his wife four times between 23.14 and 23.52. At 23.40 he called his sister – Trish Cameron and at 23.52 -Janet Kennedy.

The batch of SMS messages received by Gerald McCann on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 seems to have caused him some anxiety. Although the number “07818520047” is in a block allocated to Vodafone, the company has no record of the subscriber’s name. When the number is dialed, connection is made to a recorded message which explains that changes have been made to the way customers can access their mailboxes and that they can now dial “121” from their handset or “07836121121” from any other telephone.

Thus the number appears to be a message box for Gerald McCann that sends him an SMS when his mobile is unable to accept a call (because it is out of range or turned off). However, when he was asked by “Expresso TV” on 6th September 2008 about the “sixteen SMS messages” received, he flustered:

“No one has ever asked to see any of my text messages. There is no way that there 16 messages on that day or even the day after, you know. You know, the day after, you know that we got…” Kate McCann came to his rescue and interrupted; “Gerry hardly ever sends text messages until the day after, the day after Madeleine was taken”. Gerald McCann continued: “so you know that it is actually rubbish”

Their McCann’s denials were, of course, technically true although perhaps disingenuous – because there were only 14 messages received on the day before they reported Madeleine missing and two on the day after.

There were 16 SMS messages, in total, so why prevaricate and deny an allegation that was never made. The question was about received messages, not those sent, and on the day before not on 3rd May 2007 or the day after! In the field of forensic linguistics you must always concentrate on the precise wording of denials and especially on those of allegations not made. The denials made by the McCanns are suspicious. However, Mrs McCann’s statement about her husband not sending SMS messages, until after Madeleine’s disappearance, is confirmed by Vodafone’s records.

Mr and Mrs McCann were never closely questioned by the PJ about the detail of their calls, but Gerald McCann excused the deletions by saying that his telephone’s memory only retained details of the last ten calls made. This obvious inaccuracy (It already had retained details of 17 calls) does not appear to have been challenged by the PJ and it does not in anyway explain the selective deletions from his wife’s handset.

So the bottom line is that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A when Madeleine cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45 on Tuesday 1st May 2007, leading to a unique flurry of late night calls and to unique calls very early the following morning. A forensic examination of the records of Madeleine’s attendance at the “Lobsters” crèche on Wednesday 2nd and Thursday 3rd May 2007 is critically important because if they have been falsified, to establish she was there when she was not, this case takes on an entirely new dimension and sets different search parameters.

Secondly, if the memories of the mobile telephones were deleted in way suspected, a level of cunning is implied that would be capable of conceiving plan to deliberately delay reporting Madeleine’s “disappearance”; if for no other reason than to disassociate it from the crying incident on Tuesday 1st May 2007.

Of course, this is speculation and it is entirely possible that further investigation and the much awaited transparency by Mr and Mrs McCann will totally exonerate them. But why don’t they simply produce the SMS messages and explain why call details were deleted?

(*) This report is a result of cooperation with a leading international investigative firm that is in the closing stages of an 18 month intensive investigation that is expected to reopen the case in Portugal and to start new proceedings in the UK.

139 Responses to “More on the deleted call records – Where Was Kate McCann?”

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  1. 51
    Liberty Says:

    To JusticeSeeker: You have my email address. I await your response at findmychild@gmail.com ~

  2. 52
    Liberty Says:

    JusticeSeeker:Midas: Message from Liberty’s brother. No further information will be exchanged on this forum. Correspondence via email address findmychild@gmail.com.

  3. 53
    Midas Says:

    Hi Liberty, I would not have dreamt of asking for info on here. I wish you and your brother every success, he sounds as if he has great conviction. And any kind of conviction in this case is very welcome in my eyes. Wishing you lots of Good Luck.

  4. 54
    Liberty Says:

    To Midas: thank you for your best wishes. I never used to believe in psychics, but it is exactly the faith that he has that he will find Maddie that has made me support him. I did not always support him. If I tell you he has literally given up everything he ever owned for the opportunity to follow what he believes to be truth. There in itself is a tremendous story.

  5. 55
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Liberty: You have me email address since yesterday. What is the problem to respond within hours and answer my questions? YOU know the whole story. What are you waiting for?

  6. 56
    Marcus Says:

    Truth for Madeleine admin@truthformadeleine.com
    I do not have a problem with the above site, but what I am reading and trying my best to understand is more complicated than I could ever imagine
    Maybe you could explain some things to me; you all seem to have some kind of theory to what happened on the day or night..
    But what I don’t understand I some of you say you have some kind of proof?
    Some say they have some insider knowledge and can push things further?
    Others say they have found the site where the poor child could be ok if all is to believed why doesn’t one of you or indeed all of you make an application to the police department.
    Is this some kind of site evolved around hysteria, I too believe in thing’s for sure.. But proof is one thing proving what you have is another.. and doing something is an entirely different thing..

  7. 57
    Midas Says:

    Marcus wrote, ‘Others say they have found the site where the poor child could be ok if all is to believed why doesn’t one of you or indeed all of you make an application to the police department.’

    Just as a tester for yourself Marcus, make an application yourself, on our behalf. Just to prove how difficult it is to get ANY authority to listen.

    Alternatively, please read the police files and Dr. Amaral’s book. We have been helping to find out the truth and get justice for Madeleleine for more than thirty months now.

    From the moment Dr. Amaral investigated the case, he was thwarted by the British Embassy and moles from within the British police force.

    This little girl’s medical records have not even seen the light of day yet. Nor her parents bank accounts from around the time she allegedly went missing.

    We are all doing something. Some of us, as you may have noted have even resolved to use psychics because, of a lack of help from those who should be getting off their butts and doing something about a three years old child who disappeared leaving few clues.

    Hysteria is not something you will ever find on this site. However, if you check out the holiday-makers actions on 3rd May, you will find plenty.

  8. 58
    Marcus Says:

    Ok faire enough, but it did not answer my question.. Why then can you not bring an allegation private prosecution?
    If you bring an allegation against a person I thought the police had to do something about it..

  9. 59
    Midas Says:

    We cannot bring a private prosecution because we have not got millionare backers to stand up to the type of loop-hole lawyers that the defendants would employ. Please remember that the holiday-makers would not even return to Portugal for a reconstruction of events or answer questions put to them by the police. Kate McCann did not even answer 48 questions about her daughter when she was a suspect. Why would they answer questions at a private prosecution?

    They would just go to the newspapers and claim they were being hounded again. Please read the police files and you will see what we are up against.

  10. 60
    Marcus Says:

    Ok I see your point; the solicitors they are using are one the NHS use Kingsley Napley is an internationally recognised law firm based in central London.
    They also represent the nhs and a few other professional body if you ever and hope you don’t have to go to a tribunal your opposite number it the case most like l would be Kingsley Napley.
    You say that they would (They would just go to the newspapers and claim they were being hounded again)

    Do you think the news papers have a great deal of sympathy for them after all they sue them don’t they, this part might not be correct.

    Collectively as a group of people who seem very sure the Mc Canns have committed Murder that is what you are saying,!

    Why don’t you all get together meet up some place and work it out that way, putting things on this web site is ok but I am sure the Mc Canns solicitors

    Are watching,and waitng.. and the people loyal to the Mc Canns will also be. Looking at the site on a daily basis..

    I am in total agreement with you that something is not right it stinks but there as to be another way for you all to do this in a manner that will not bring you all into

    The realms of Elvis Presley are working in Tesco’s type of thing? And before you think I am trying to put you effort down, I genuinely feel it’s not getting you any place and just maybe you might be doing yourselves an injustice.

  11. 61
    marcus Says:

    Ok I see your point; the solicitors they are using are one the NHS use Kingsley Napley is an internationally recognised law firm based in central London.
    They also represent the NHS and a few other professional body’s if you ever and hope you don’t have to go to a tribunal, your opposite number in the case most like would be Kingsley Napley.
    You say that they would (They would just go to the newspapers and claim they were being hounded again)
    Do you think the news papers have a great deal of sympathy for them after all they sue them don’t they, this part might not be correct.
    Collectively as a group of people who seem very sure the Mc Canns have committed Murder that is what you are saying,!
    Why don’t you all get together meet up some place and work it out that way, putting things on this web site is ok but I am sure the Mc Canns solicitors
    Are watching,, and waiting .also the people loyal to the Mc Canns will also be Looking at the site on a daily basis..
    I am in total agreement with you that something is not right it stinks, but there as to be another way for you all to do this in a manner that will not bring you all into the realm of Elvis Presley is working in Tesco’s type of thing?
    And before you think I am trying to put you efforts down, I genuinely feel it’s not getting you any place and just maybe you might be doing yourselves an injustice.

  12. 62
    Midas Says:

    Marcus wrote ……… ‘Collectively as a group of people who seem very sure the Mc Canns have committed Murder that is what you are saying ………’

    Marcus! Murder? We have not mentioned murder anywhere at all. We are merely asking for an enquiry because Team McCann think that the police botched the investigations and wrongy accused them as suspects. As you must be aware, Dr. Amaral was removed from the case because of Government interference. His book is not allowed to be printed in English because the holiday-makers only want the English-speaking public to read what they want them to read. We want a full enquiry into what really happened to Madeleine McCann. Personally, I do not give a f*ck what Team McCann or their infamous lawyers and ‘McCann supporters’ think of this or any other site. I just want to know why we are not allowed to see the other side of this curious story.

    The police files are in the public domain and the public are entitled to read them. We need the British press to be able to print it for the masses to read without fear of reprisal. Whether it affects national security or not. In the 21st century, we should not have a public kept in the dark.

    Why should we take out a private prosecution? Madeleine McCann was a British Subject and the law should be on her side. The Government should be leading an enquiry into her whereabouts. We should not have somebody like Hogg appearing to side with the parents. It is Madeleine who has been done an injustice. Not her hapless parents and their friends.

  13. 63
    liberty Says:

    JusticeSeeker: Message from Liberty. My brother Martin van Wyk is arriving at Lisbon Airport today 4 December 2009 at 1315 local time. He is keen to meet you as he sees you are interested in the truth. You have his email address.

  14. 64
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  15. 65
    Midas Says:

    Quote’For most of the year and more recently a couple of weeks ago, van Wyk and his sister had been virtually begging people to finance van Wyk’s return to Portugal to find Madeleine.’Unquote. This statement is not true. The first time I ever went on to this site and post a message was on the 17 November 2009 ~ this definitely does not equate to ‘most of the year’ ~ Please get your facts straight. I thought this site was about TRUTH. I viewed other sites and chose this site as it really seemed as if the people on this site were concerned with finding the truth, not twisting it. Unfortuantely I put Martin, who really believes in finding out the truth, in touch with JusticeSeeker who corresponded with him directly via email. The above story is the result of the confidence my brother had in JusticeSeeker. The story contains presuppositions that are definitely not true. JusticeSeeker: do you have a hidden agenda

    ********************************************************

    Liberty.

    I am sure that JusticeSeeker does not have any hidden agenda. I am more concerned about yours. I am sceptical about your brother having sold all his possessions. I am also suspicious about any South African connections in this case. And I really mean that. South Africa has a few serious links to the Madeleine case and I would like to find that link as soon as possible. Maybe HOLMES or CEOP will come up with this link before I do.

    I m most suspicious because your brother chose this week to go to Portugal. A week when Amaral’s case is being heard. A week when Halligen has just been remanded in custody. I think it is odd that so many things are happening at once. Do you?

    I cannot argue with the Krugel guy who seemed very genuine at the time.

    Site Admin: The many South African links are almost too numerous to ignore. Danie Krugel, Martin van Wyk, 2 South African bar staff at a local hotel interviewed by the PJ, a South African PDL resident talking to RTP on May 4, rumours that Mark Otty is the 10th Tapas, Clarence Mitchell’s mentor allegedy a South African, one of the McCanns calling a number in South Africa on or around May 4. Is there a large enclave of South Africans in PDL? Out of all countries a long-haul flight from Portugal, South Africa has figured top of the list. Why? We don’t hear of Americans or Australians selling all their possessions to visit the place on a whim. Is this truly a coincidence or is there more to it?

  16. 66
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Liberty: No hidden agenda but 27 years of police work with PJ. And, based on this long experience, i know that at least some of your or Martin’s claims do not match the ends. I don’t need to again mention the obvious South Africa connection. It was done already by Site Admin and Midas. What I would like to know is the following: Who was Martin’s sponsor (even though you don’t need one, just a letter of invitation)in 2007? You claim he sold all his property to be able to make the trip. Fine with me. But, would you mind to explain who is sponsoring him this time? Who invited Martin to Portugal so suddenly and who is paying for his trip? Martin had claimed explicitly: “I am going to unearth the body of Madeleine within 2 weeks” – he is very confident, right? Confident in a way only a person with affirmative background knowledge can be. If so, who provided this knowledge? Wouldn’t it be very convenient to find the body of poor Madeleine whilst Amaral’s case is heard in court? What a touching story! McCann’s claim confirmed! There was indeed an abductor who killed Maddie. Yes, Maddie is dead. But she did not end her life in Apartment 5A as Amaral claims. All this would hopefully clear the McCanns from any and all suspicion! Bad luck, it will not work!

  17. 67
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas: Since you are at it. The below one came in today. What is your opinion?

    Von:

    Martin Van Wyk

    Gesendet: Dom Dec 6 10:32
    An:

    JusticeSeeker

    Priorität: normale
    Betreff:

    Re: Maddie Case

    Typ: Embeded HTML/Text

    Hi, this is Martin van Wyk, Liberty,s brother. I am in Praia de Luz, I have come to get Madeleine Mc Cann. I believe that the ball will start rolling from tomorrow afternoon. You can call me at : Montinho de Ouro, tel : 282 788 269 – room nr. 6.

  18. 68
    Midas Says:

    Because I am a very inquisitive person I would call him. From an untraceable land-line or mobile of course.

    I am just glad that he realises that he has come to find a cadaver and not a live child.

    Justice Seeker wrote, ‘If so, who provided this knowledge? Wouldn’t it be very convenient to find the body of poor Madeleine whilst Amaral’s case is heard in court? What a touching story! McCann’s claim confirmed! There was indeed an abductor who killed Maddie.’

    I must admit that if I was as psychic as he claims. If I was as sure as he claims. I would get hold of the PJ and have a word with them. I would not want the glory of being on the spot and having my name splashed around all over the internet. If he is wrong, he will look like another time-waster.

    Better to do these things quietly surely? The PJ will already have been tipped off by now and will hopefully be getting a grip on him to ascertain that he is who he says he is.

    And JusticeSeeker, I am sure that I don’t need to tell you this but ……. please do not go alone to meet up with him.

    The South African arm of all this is about as dangerous as it gets.

    If you are not back here within 24 hours giving us an update, I will be emailing Dr. Amaral and the PJ.

  19. 69
    Midas Says:

    Hi JusticeSeeker!

    JusticeSeeker wrote ……….. ‘ All this would hopefully clear the McCanns from any and all suspicion!’

    ********************************

    Mmmmmm ……… Except the suspicions that we will always hold because of the way that we saw Eddie and Keela going absolutely mental and bananas in apartment 5A and around the rented car. What happy, happy doggies they were to have found exactly what they are trained for.

    And both discovered the same traces in the same places. When neither knew what the other had already found. Totally ruling out any suspicion of collusion between the two animals. They went in separately and discovered the same things. Just like they have always done on every job they have ever done before. Because they are the ultimate experts. No gadgetry. No reading each others statements before asking the police to change the wording or timing.

    Just pure unadulterated evidential findings.

    If it was thought that Gerald McCann was buried deep under tons of heavy rubble, in the middle of South Africa where a buiding had collapsed; would Kate McCann tell the dogs not to bother looking for his remains?

    If Kate McCann had gone out for a long walk in Huelva one hot sunny day, but had not returned for tapas, and it was considered a grave possibility that she could have fallen down a pot-hole earlier that morning; would Gerald McCann tell the dogs not to bother looking for her body?

    As Gerald McCann arrogantly once said to Sandra F,’Ask the dogs,Sandra.’

    We don’t have to do that Gerald McCann, the dogs have already given us their answers. Loud and clear. With yaps and piercing barks. With their tails swishing about faster than Kate McCann saw the swishing of the curtains in 5A.

    The dogs have it. Ayes to the right.

    And if Martin finds Madeleine’s body buried anywhere, we will thank him enormously and pat him on the back. But …….. we will tell him to stay around in PDL, because there will still be another body for him to find.

    And that body will be the one that lay around long enough in apartment 5A to give off cadaver-odours. Not to mention ……. the other traces …….. that despite the FSS’s best efforts ……… only Keela could truly find evidence for.

    One thing though, Martin. If you do find Madeleine, the police will be wanting a good long chat with you.

    However, if they are satisfied with what you tell them and do not find that you are connected to this case in any way, I promise that I will buy your book one day. Just like I have bought Dr., Amaral’s.

    So, God speed. I wish you every success in the world. But woe betide you if you have got our hopes up for nothing. I shall consider you less than a Martin Brunt. He got my hopes up once. And dashed them.

    Now why did he go and do that to us all? What a disappointment he is. I fell out with him over that. May the force be with you.

    Not necessarily the PJ, but it would be a start. I cannot imagine the PJ wanting a ‘private investigation’ on their patch at this point. They are still working hard behind the scenes on all this.

  20. 70
    Midas Says:

    Any sign of Marcus since he came on here making this scurrilous claim about us all?

    Fancy writing ‘Murder’ with a capital M for emphasis! I don’t know what the world is coming to at all.

    Marcus wrote ……… ‘Collectively as a group of people who seem very sure the Mc Canns have committed Murder that is what you are saying ………’

    If I was sensitive to criticism like Gerald or Kate McCann, I would be absolutely furious that this has been said in an open forum for the world and the C-Rucks to see. I would expect at least a million (of any currency from whatever source) in compensation. And I would even try and claim extra damages on behalf of my pets and work colleagues who could be disturbed at a later date by it all.

    Shocking stuff, Marcus. If I was somebody like Kate or Gerald McCann, I would even go so far as to say it is hurtful, upsetting, unhelpful and boring. Utterly ludicrous.

    Do you know what time it is, Marcus? Or do you never wear a watch either?

  21. 71
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas: Thank you for your interesting postings. I go along with most of it. And – no need to worry about my safety. I cannot make it for a meeting with Martin Van Wyk, even though I would love to, because I am not in Portugal right now, but in Italy until Thursday night. However, I’ll try to put a call in to him today. There is more interesting information I would like to share with you since I consider you pretty smart with the mental capability of analyzing things very thoroughly. My compliments! As you can imagine, I am not British. So, please excuse if my English sounds funny sometimes. If interested you can get hold of me at: «navigator2@clix.pt»

  22. 72
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas: I forgot to mention. Wouldn’t you find it interesting that Liberty has not responded to my questions yet (posting 65). One should imagine that these simple questions could be answered without hesitation – unless you need to ask someone first how to respond, and that one is not available right now.

  23. 73
    Midas Says:

    JusticeSeeker! I am flattered. My compliments to you too, for bearing with us all during this case. I will be in touch. Take your email off before you get bombarded by the idiots. I was going to put a call out for Liberty last night, but I remembered that Marcus had not graced us with his presence since his astonishing accusation.

    Liberty. Where are you? Please update us about your brother. Has he got enough money or do we need to contact him? I do not want him selling the hotel towels and bedding for the price of a coffee.

  24. 74
    claudia Says:

    hi!what was the name of a holiday maker,that claimed that, shortly after the disappearance, he had seen a girl resembling Madeleine being taken in a cart to a gypsy camp near Portimão, about ten miles (16 km) from where Madeleine disappeared: Andre VAN WYK
    Is it a coincidence ?
    Claudia

  25. 75
    Midas Says:

    Hi Claudia. No it is not a coincidence. From the very first witness of a publicised ‘sighting’ to the last witness of their publicised ‘sightings’; we can be assured that they are all connected one way or another. The odd stary that has not already been connected seems to become so.

    Remarkable isn’t it.

  26. 76
    Midas Says:

    Any exciting news about Martin yet?

    Claudia ……. Talking of coincidences, do I remember correctly that the story of the ‘kidnapped by gypsies’ Van Wyk, turned out to be the same somebody who worked for Branson?

  27. 77
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas. No word from Martin Van Wyk. No breaking news in the Portuguese and European media about the Maddie case. Even though I left a message with the reception, nor return call. And Van Wyks «sister» Liberty seems to have been disappeared also. Therefore, my very simple answers about the sponsor etc. remain unanswered. And there is another open question: I would like to know why Van Wyk is telling us he is using the services of a Cyber Café in Praia da Luz for his email exchange with the world, when in fact he is using a laptop?

  28. 78
    Claudia Says:

    they both have asked for sponsoring and they have found already someone to help them to get there?
    He maybe did not really need any help,their only intention was to let us all know ,they know that she´s dead and where she´s buried…this info might only have who did it or someone paid by them?
    justiceseeker,can you see all IP´s address?
    SORRY for my english!
    Claudia

    Site Admin: Anyone can see IP addresses from email. Look in the email header and you will see all IPs associated with the transport of the email to the recipient. Most programs don’t show the header automatically but for example, in Outlook, right click the email in your list pane and choose “Options”. This will bring up the email in plain text form with the header info.

  29. 79
    claudia Says:

    Is this M.van wyk?

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pyFj865NHDc/SorxRYmF0WI/AAAAAAAACqw/j3kFxXa4SK4/s1600-h/Teresa+%26+Kobus+Van+Vuuren+en+Martin+Van+Wyk+c.JPG

    and is this liberty?

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_pyFj865NHDc/SorsW97HfZI/AAAAAAAACqo/xWwhwPSBjXU/s1600-h/Vicky+Clark+Adele+Faul+Lilly+van+Wyk+en+Jeanine+McCurdy.JPG

    Claudia

  30. 80
    claudia Says:

    I´he found 2 photos of possible M. van wyk and liberty but I can´t post them here
    Claudia

  31. 81
    Midas Says:

    Considering Liberty’s heart-rending story of how her brother Martin had to sell all of his possessions in order to finance his trip to help retrieve Madeleine, we seem to have been left adrift somewhat.

    What has happened to him? Has he been kidnapped by those same ‘Spanish police’ whom Tanner thought were going to abduct her whilst she was identifying Murat in the street for the PJ?

    I really hope Martin has not been kidnapped by an Arab prince and taken to eat child-friendly toppings in a palace somewhere in the East. If he has, I just hope he is giving them his ‘tuppenceworth’.

    I hope I am completely wrong and that he is waiting for night-fall to secretly take the PJ to where he thinks Madeleine’s remains are.

  32. 82
    Midas Says:

    Hi JusticeSeeker. Did the reception verify that he had definitely arrived at the hotel?

  33. 83
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas: Yes, the receptionist confirmed that Van Wyk arrived and lodges in room 6. Since I am out of town I asked my wife to try to contact him by phone and it worked. She talked to him for a while and Van Wyk confirmed to her being pretty certain about where Maddie’s body is buried. Namely, in Praia da Luz on private property where trees have been planted to cover-up the place. And now he discovered that a newly constructed driveway is running right over the space where he expects the body to be hidden. Allegedly, he phoned Leicestershire police and they told him they could and would not do anything for him. If he has useful information it was recommended to contact the Portuguese PJ in Portimão. He was referred to a female Inspector but contact could not be established because that lady, due to a national holiday in Portugal, was not in the office. He’ll try again tomorrow. If my wife understood properly, Martin Van Wyk intends to give us the pleasure of his presence until Friday. That is the latest news.

  34. 84
    Midas Says:

    Hi JusticeSeeker. This is very encouraging news. I hope everybody will forgive my earlier cynicisms. It rather sounds like a job for our much trusted friend, Eddie the cadaver doggie. A quick sniff should do it. I would not like to think that any trees have to be disturbed for nothing.

    It would be an unbelievable coincidence if he discovers Madeleine at the exact time that Dr. Amaral’s hearing is taking place though.

    An utterly unbelievable coincidence.

  35. 85
    claudia Says:

    Hi Midas, with all my respect, Mr. Wyk said there´s no longer trees but a newly constructed driveway,so maybe the trees and Maddie´s body were taken away from there after knowing Mr. Wyk
    was in praia in 2007 investigating or the killer has removed it??? (If this man is telling the truth,of course)

    Claudia

  36. 86
    Midas Says:

    Hi Claudia, I think it is imperative that Eddie and Keela or any other cadaver dogs are sent to this place at the very earliest opportunity. Like today. Courtesy of the British Government. Eddie has already proven to be very clever at scenting through concrete.

  37. 87
    GMKOMD Says:

    I think there is no chance that dogs will be called in unless the PJ get involved
    and given the unfair kicking they have had up till now sadly I dont see that being very likely

  38. 88
    Helen Says:

    Hmmm, this all seems a bit dodgy, im not convinced this Martin is genuine.
    I hope he is and i really hope this comes to something.
    I shall be checking this every hour for an update, for my own piece of mind.
    I will celebrate the day the answers are found and the McScams pay for what they have done.

    To me it screams that they are responsible as the body has not been found yet.
    Most pyschopaths and/or murderers want the bodies to be found, not always conciously but most of the time they are found. For some, part of the body being found is the kick they get aswell as the actual killing. ( i have read some books about murderers minds etc)
    So Iif you are a ‘normal’ sane person that has made a HUGE mistake, like leaving your child alone long enough for them to suffer their fate, you will do anything for the body to not be found.
    Because of this i believe she may never be found. They didnt want her to be found and they have the contacts to cover every trail of evidence.
    If she was taken out to sea and disposed of, she will never be found. Sad but possibly the case.
    I really hope that i am wrong as i need to know like many others what happened to the poor girl.

  39. 89
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    To Midas: I responded to your email. Don’t be too optimistic about the ongoing development. As to Eddie and Keela taking a quick look. It is impossible right now because Martin Grime, their handler, is in the US preparing the search for a body in the US for January 2010. As soon as new information surfaces, it will be posted in this forum.

  40. 90
    claudia Says:

    well ,eddy und keela did show us what they have found !
    M. van Wyk hasn´t show us anything yet!
    Claudia

  41. 91
    midas Says:

    What an amazing and unbelievable coincidence it would have been to have discovered Madeleine’s remains in the same historic week as Dr. Amaral launches his book about the gagging of the case. LOL

    Hi Claudia and JusticeSeeker! I hope Eddie and Keela are sent back to the Algarve soon. There are a number of residences I would like them to have a sniff around in. The scent of death can linger for years. In a while, certain people will be begging their dying relatives and friends to go and die peacefully at their homes. Just to explain any death scents that may be found in future. LOL

  42. 92
    claudia Says:

    Here: it says M. van Wyk was working for the MCC`S , 30 october 2007 in praia, he said she is dead and buried close to the Ocean
    …so the parents did already know she was dead….

    http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Martin+Van+Wyk%2C+detective+privado+sul-africano%2C+investiga+na+Luz+Correio+da+Manh%C3%A3+%E2%80%93+Foi+contratado+pelos+McCann+para+&btnG=Suche&meta=&aq=null&oq=

    Claudia

  43. 93
    Skye Says:

    Do I understand this correctly. Post no. 26 we have Liberty paving the way for her brother to be given a chance. Requesting equal opportunity for people to search for amongst others, madeleine’s body. Furthermore they should, according to her, be provided with assistance. Rather sweet she is too, “I know a man…………”

    We also have an article by the site admin claiming that for many months of this year, Martin van Wyk has been in contact with them giving information of his past actions regarding this case as well as some about his future intentions.

    And during all of this, you are not aware of the fact that he refers to himself as a bounty hunter as quoted in a newspaper article?

    Good old Google. In less than a minute. Correio da Manhã – Are you hired by the McCanns to find Maddie? 10.30.07 Excerpt: – “I was six years in the Military Police of South Africa and I am a private Detective: A bounty hunter during 15 years. In 1997, I had investigated the disappearance of a 13 years old child, which was finally found dead. In that time I had contacted a Medium woman which vision revealed to be exact. I even talked with her about the case. She has the same opinion as me.”

    Site admin: And your point is?

  44. 94
    Midas Says:

    As Admin has already asked. What is your point, Skye?

    I hope you do not think for a minute that we do not realise that Liberty and Martin are for real do you?

    Have you heard of things that eventually go pear-shaped? Well, this case is all about things being as bent as a banana. From beginning to end, it is all bent. Great that you have discovered Google. We tend to get our news from people on the ground. Then we take the piss out of people like Martin van Wyk. In much the same way as Martin and his sister ‘Liberty’ are taking the piss out of us.

    Di you encounter any other van Wyks during your sojourn through Google? LOL

  45. 95
    claudia Says:

    “SHE IS DEAD AND BURIED NEAR HERE”, revealed to the Correio da Manhã, Martin Van Wyk, private south-African Detective, investigating in Praia da Luz.

    Correio da Manhã – Are you hired by the McCanns to find Maddie?

    Martin Van Wyk – No. I have contacted the aunt of the children, Philomena McCann, by email, I offered my help. The McCann couple knows that I am here, at private title. I don’t have even been in contact with the Portuguese Police, to avoid misunderstandings.

    – You are here since one week. What are your conclusions?

    – Unfortunately, I think the toddler is dead and the corpse is buried around here, in this locality. I think she has been wandering off the apartment, during the night, in direction of the beach. She was looking for her parents and someone took here. In the following day, confronted with the news that she was abducted, this person was scared. Without knowing what to do, finally he killed her, maybe without wanting to do it.

    – What is your experience in cases such as this one?

    – I was six years in the Military Police of South Africa and I am a private Detective: A bounty hunter during 15 years. In 1997, I had investigated the disappearance of a 13 years old child, which was finally found dead. In that time I had contacted a Medium woman which vision revealed to be exact. I even talked with her about the case. She has the same opinion as me.

    – What do you think about the fact that parents and Robert Murat were made arguidos?

    – The parents should have been treated as suspects since the beginning, but I don’t think they are guilty. May be one of the friends is hiding something. Concerning Robert Murat, his garden should have been excavated by the Police. I return tomorrow [today] to Cap Town, with the frustration of not having been able to do more…
    Jose (FR) | 10.30.07 – 3:30 am |

    Claudia

  46. 96
    claudia Says:

    any news about that south african guy?
    Claudia

  47. 97
    JusticeSeeker Says:

    Martin Van Wyk is back to Cape Town. At least he left Portugal on Friday, Dec. 11, 2009 at 2 pm. from Lisbon via Frankfurt. As far as could be verified for now – he did not achieve anything and it would be a waste of time to pay too much attention to his activities. Wouldn’t there be the strange coincidence of the McScams given us the honour of their visit to Portugal and Praia da Luz. I have no idea what they are up to. Maybe, discussing the strategy with their crazy retired police detective, I think his name is Elgar or similar, how to locate Maddie within the 10 miles lawless areas in the vicinity of PDL? I hope the people of PDL give them a very warm welcome and either kick them out of town immediately to let them know how the Portuguese (at least 90 %) feel about them, or keep an eye on them and report every of their moves to the Portimão police. Especially, if they should see Gerry carrying a shovel!

  48. 98
    claudia Says:

    justiceseeker/Midas:
    what´s the reason Martin and Liberty(maybe same person) had to post in here
    asking for sponsoring,etc..etc…??????
    He did not need a sponsor…He did not find anything…so what´s the reason of that much
    attention in this blog?
    Sorry,I don´t get it!…doesn´t make sense!
    Claudia

  49. 99
    Midas Says:

    I don’t know. But it gave us a laugh at their expense. Just more game-playing. One day it will be the endgame.

    Good to hear Dr. Amaral on the news telling the press that the McCanns cannot pin swine flu on him. Glad to see he still has a sense of humour. He must be greatly cheered to hear that Duarte needed the McCanns support in Portugal becase 90% of the people were against what they were doing. What a farcical operation this court case is.

    As Dr. Amaral points out, his book is only reporting what is in the investigation files.

  50. 100
    Jane Prosser Says:

    To Site Admin. A while back you asked for a link to the story about the McCanns having a ‘private’ meeting with the Pope. Sorry to have taken so long to come back to you, I haven’t looked on this site for a while. Here a link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/29/ukcrime.catholicism

    Site Admin: Thanks Jane. Whether the private meeting took place or not is still open to speculation I guess. One thing that is not open to speculation from that article is this comment:

    “Yesterday the McCann family visited a 75 sq metre (800 sq ft) inflatable poster of Madeleine that will be taken around the Algarve in an attempt to publicise her plight further. The poster, which highlights a £1.5m reward being offered through the News of the World, was paid for by Chris Lennox and Les Harley, two advertising professionals from Glasgow, who drove it 2,200 miles from Scotland to Praia da Luz.”

    I personally contacted the company who made that inflatable billboard and there’s an article on this site about it. Chris Lennox and Les Harley most definitely did not pay for the inflatable poster.

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