More on the deleted call records – Where Was Kate McCann?

By Paulo Reis and associates (*)

The CD issued by Ministerio Publico de Portimao in July 2008, contains a great deal of information on the mobile calls made and received by the “Tapas 9” but it is dispersed, difficult to retrieve and with important pages and charts missing. The main documents of interest from the CD are:

  • A 3 page report by the Policia Judiaria (undated, but probably 4th May 2007) listing call records retrieved from the handsets of Mr and Mrs McCann
  • A detailed (and excellent report) by Inspector Paulo Dias, Inspector of UNI-Sector de Análise, Lisbon, dated 9th November 2007
  • Schedules provided by Vodafone on 14th December 2007 covering a period from 29th April 2007 for Gerald McCann, David Payne, Rachael Mampilly, broken into four separate sections for incoming and outgoing telephone calls, incoming and outgoing SMS traffic
  • A second report by Inspector Dias dated 5th February 2008, containing time bars, link charts and maps pinpointing where the “Tapas 9’s” sets were when they activated antennae
  • A third report by Inspector Dias dated 2nd June 2008 which includes details of activations of the Luz and other mobile antenna from 28th April 2007 to September 2007
  • The Rogatory Letter requests and correspondence dated from 5th December 2007 to May 2007 and responses from the Home Office in April and May 2008

The PJ used a program, called the “Analyst’s Notebook” as well as “Excel” to handle what were very large datasets. Inspector Dias pointed out that “Excel” was far from ideal, because of its limited capacity and it seems that much of the data provided was paper based and had to be rekeyed. Also the main focus of the research was limited to the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007. But, despite the problems, the PJ’s work is impressive, innovative and very detailed. For example, there is a brilliant analysis (which unfortunately led nowhere) based on the hypothesis of two abductors each working with mobiles in the Ocean Club area immediately before Madeleine was reported missing. There is another excellent piece of work which tracks down a misrouted call, from Swansea, to Kate McCann at 11.21 on Wednesday 2nd May 2007.

However, there are potentially serious omissions:

  • The most important records were not available when Mr and Mrs McCann attended their “Arguido interviews” on 6th and 7th September 2007 and it is doubtful that they were ever reviewed by the very experienced analysts from the Leicestershire Police, whose team left the Algarve soon after the McCann’s return to the UK in September 2007
  • There are no detailed call records from the mobile operators for Kate McCann, Russell O’Brien, Matthew Oldfield and Jane Tanner
  • When the PJ obtained the McCann’s mobiles they do not appear to have retrieved deleted data or to extract their contact lists
  • None of the telecom records show triangulation co-ordinates but are limited to identifying the single primary antenna on which calls were registered
  • The details of over 50 UK subscribers contacted by the Tapas 9 in the critical period, as well as their onward local and international call records, was included in the Rogatory Letter request in December 2007. If this information was provided, it is not in the CD
  • A critical link chart (Anexo 37) for Tuesday 1st May 2007 is missing from Inspector Dias’s report

These omissions make interpretation of the data difficult but what is available provides an interesting picture. First, it is obvious that the memories in the McCann’s mobiles were incomplete and, in Kate McCann’s case, selectively deleted.

Her mobile memory held details of 39 calls from 18.28 on Wednesday 25th April to 16.35 on 27th April 2007. After her arrival in Portugal on 28th April 2007, with the exception of one incoming call on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 at 11.21 (which, very interestingly, was the Swansea “wrong number”), and one call from her husband at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007, everything else has been “whoosh-clunked” from memory. These deletions could have been accidental, but a high degree of cunning could be implied. Why would she selectively delete everything up to Thursday 3rd May 2007 with the exception of one wrong number and what was her reason for deleting three of the four calls, between 23.14 and 23.17, from her husband on that critical night?. A possible answer is that she wished to avoid alerting the PJ to evidence that details of around 40 calls had been erased and she felt happier leaving something uncontroversial (or misleading) in memory for them to find. Another answer is that, unsurprisingly, she was under the most extreme stress imaginable following the disappearance of her daughter: but why, in that case, give priority to deleting anything. It is the last thing most parents would think about in the circumstances.

The first call found in Gerald’s mobile memory was timed at 00.30 on Friday 4th May 2007. Again matching antenna records to memory suggests that by the time he gave the handset to the PJ the records of 24 calls or SMSs had been erased, including the one from him found on his wife’s handset and timed at 23.17 on Thursday 3rd May 2007. It appears that he had deleted details of the four calls he made to her that night and she deleted just three. It was this simple discrepancy that first led the PJ to suspect interference with the handsets.

If the deletions were deliberate (and it is an “if”) it implies the McCann’s were both “forensically aware” and crafty and wanted to hide something from the PJ. For this reason, it is important to explore the call record data and to match it against other evidence.

On Saturday 28th April 2007, after their arrival in Luz, Kate McCann’s mobile triggered the antenna 9 times. It is not possible to say, from the available records, whether these were incoming or outgoing calls or SMSs or for how long they lasted. The last activations were at 20.55 and 20.59 when (based on their statements) the Tapas 9 returned for an early night after eating at the Millennium Restaurant with their children. All of these records were erased from the memory of Kate McCann’s mobile. Gerald McCann’s mobile did not activate any of the Luz antennae that day.

On Sunday 29th April 2007, the first activation of Kate McCann’s mobile was at 9.23, but again there are no Vodafone logs or time bars to provide further detail. However, by internally matching the antenna records it appears that she called her husband at 12.26 and 17.02.

The crèche records indicate that he collected Madeleine at 12.15. He also picked up the twins around 17.00 but mistakenly recorded the time as “12.30”. Chances are that the calls from Kate McCann were to check that he had picked up the kids. At 10.13 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx3899. The last activation by Kate McCann’s mobile was at 19.30 and Gerald’s at 17.02.

A pattern on this sheet (and it applies to all of the Tapas 9) is that no activations took place at any time during the week while they were at dinner. So maybe Clarence Mitchell was right, after all, and that they were so “into each other” that they didn’t want to be disturbed while sardine munching and left their mobiles in their rooms. They were never specifically asked this question, but it is very important and the point will be addressed later.

On Monday 30th April 2007, neither of the McCann’s telephones activated the Luz transmitters. This looks very odd, especially as they were around the Ocean Club to shuffle the kids to and from the crèches. On this afternoon, Madeleine remained in the crèche for only 15 minutes and was picked up by her mother at 15.30. We do not know what Madeleine did for the rest of the day, but it is possible she was being fractious. Interestingly, a friend of Mrs and Mr McCann supposedly told the “Dispatches” team that made a TV program on the tragedy, that “Madeleine was a screamer”. This could be interpreted in one of two ways, but any use of the past tense in referring to Madeleine would be very significant. It was such a past tense referral, to her supposedly living children, that alerted the FBI to their murder by Susan Smith, their mother.

On Tuesday 1st May 2007, Gerald McCann’s handset was silent all day. Kate McCann’s mobile first activated the Luz antenna at 10.16, but all details of the day’s calls have been deleted from the handset and there is no nothing in the CD from her mobile provider. Another activation took place at 12.17. The crèche records show that Gerald McCann picked up Madeleine at 12.20 (a bit earlier than usual) but Kate McCann’s call at 12.17 does not appear to have been to him, (because his mobile was not activated at all that day). Kate McCann dealt with her last call before leaving for the Tapas Bar at 20.35.

At around 8.45pm on Tuesday 1st May 2007, Miss Nejoua Chekeya, the Ocean Club’s busty Aerobics Instructor, held a “Quiz Night” and was later invited, allegedly by Gerald McCann, to join his table which she did sometime between 9.30pm and 9.50pm. She did not say how long she had remained with them, but she is not the sort of woman men would wish see to leave too quickly. Miss Chekeya stated that one dinner setting was unused and that she could not remember seeing Kate McCann.

However, both Jane Tanner and Russell O’Brien have stated that he did not go to the Tapas Bar on the “Quiz Night” (ie Tuesday 1st May 2007), but had stayed in their room looking after his sick daughter. Jane Tanner took his dinner to the room; thus explaining the unused plate setting. Russell O’Brien was not asked by either the Policia Judiciaria or Leicestershire Police whether he had heard Madeleine crying!

Kate McCann’s mobile was next activated six times, in rapid fire, between 22.16 and 22.27, after she had returned to Apartment 5A after dinner. The antenna traffic proves that these calls were not made to any of the “Tapas 9”.

The evidence from the call logs gives the strongest clue that the “Tapas 9” left their telephones in their rooms when they went to dinner. Clarence Mitchell, the McCann’s spokesperson, confirmed this. In an interview, reported on 6th April 2008 by Ned Temko of “The Guardian”, Mr Mitchell said: “You had nine people in a bar without watches on, without mobile phones and absolute panic set in when they realised what had happened…. We would say that, if the police had a perfect time line across nine people, that would be a damn sight more suspicious than the fractured, illogical, composite statements they might have got”

Mrs Fenn, the McCann’s neighbour, reported that Madeleine had cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45. The evidence shows that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A 14 minutes before Madeleine started crying. Tuesday 1st May 2007 is the only night (except, of course, for Thursday 3rd May 2007) that either of the McCanns or any of their friends made calls after dinner.

Mrs McCann volunteered to the PJ that on the night of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, she had slept in the spare bed in her children’s room because her husband had not paid her enough attention over dinner. Or put another way, does she mean the amorous Scot was paying someone else (like Miss Chekeya) too much attention, causing her to stomp out of the Tapas Bar before him: ultimately leading to the spare bed in a strop? Gerald McCann said he thought the reason his wife had slept in the children’s bedroom was because of his snoring and that he did not even bother asking her the following morning what the problem was.

Could it be that their timings are wrong by 24 hours and that Kate McCann’s nocturnal shenanigans took place on the night of Tuesday 1st May 2007? It would fit, but why be untruthful about it? A possible reason is that they wanted to conceal both Kate McCann’s state of mind and the fact that she had returned to Apartment 5A, just before Madeleine’s cried for help.

On Wednesday 2nd May 2007, Kate McCann called her friend “Amanda” at 7.36.41 and again at 7.36.45. This was around two hours earlier than any of mobile activations on any other morning: so Kate McCann was “up with the larks”. Amanda returned the calls at 7.50. There is no record of how long any of these calls lasted or whether they were SMSs. They were all deleted from memory.

At 8.07 Gerald McCann received a call from the SMS message centre (447818520047), but does not appear to have responded. At 8.50 Kate McCann received a call from a UK mobile xxxxx27010 and returned it at 8.53, before going to play tennis. Gerald McCann received a series of calls from his SMS message centre between 9.10 and 10.47, again without response.

At 11.21 Kate received a call from what appears to be a landline in Swansea ( xxxxx0023). The report by Inspector Dias researched this call in detail (Page 21 in his report of 9th November 2007) and discovered that it had not activated any of the Luz antennae. But digging deeper, he found that another UK mobile (xxxxx 1583) had triggered the Luz antenna when connecting to the same Swansea number at 14.01. He dug even deeper, tracked all of the calls made from Luz by xxxx1583 and established it had no connection whatsoever with any of the “Tapas 9”. The Swansea call to Kate McCann was simply a “wrong number”, misrouted and thus not logged by the Luz antennae.

What Inspector Dias did not realise was that the Swansea call had become so special to Kate McCann that, when deleting all of the other Portuguese call records from memory, she decided to leave this one intact.

Gerald received five further calls from the SMS message centre and at 15.50 called 91121, probably to collect his messages. He received further calls from the centre at 17.49 and 19.49. The records provided by Vodafone show these calls but that they originate from a different mobile number (0xxxx014310)

At 20.08 Kate McCann received two calls from a UK mobile xxxx7624 and six minutes late Gerald McCann called 91121: again to collect messages before he left for the Tapas Bar. This was the last activation of the day by either of the McCanns; probably confirming that their mobiles remained in Apartment 5A when they went to dinner.

On Thursday 3rd May 2007 (the critical day) at 8.23 and 8.24 Kate McCann’s mobile activated the antenna to call xxxx7624. There is nothing in file to indicate the owner of this mobile but it does not appear to be any of the McCann family or friends.

At 12.24 Gerald McCann received a call from a UK Mobile xxxx1746. Again there is no clue in the file to the subscriber’s name. At 12.31 Kate McCann received a call (or SMS) from her mother’s mobile and responded an hour later.

Neither of the McCanns appears to have had any further activity on their telephones until after Madeleine was reported missing when Gerald McCann called his wife four times between 23.14 and 23.52. At 23.40 he called his sister – Trish Cameron and at 23.52 -Janet Kennedy.

The batch of SMS messages received by Gerald McCann on Wednesday 2nd May 2007 seems to have caused him some anxiety. Although the number “07818520047” is in a block allocated to Vodafone, the company has no record of the subscriber’s name. When the number is dialed, connection is made to a recorded message which explains that changes have been made to the way customers can access their mailboxes and that they can now dial “121” from their handset or “07836121121” from any other telephone.

Thus the number appears to be a message box for Gerald McCann that sends him an SMS when his mobile is unable to accept a call (because it is out of range or turned off). However, when he was asked by “Expresso TV” on 6th September 2008 about the “sixteen SMS messages” received, he flustered:

“No one has ever asked to see any of my text messages. There is no way that there 16 messages on that day or even the day after, you know. You know, the day after, you know that we got…” Kate McCann came to his rescue and interrupted; “Gerry hardly ever sends text messages until the day after, the day after Madeleine was taken”. Gerald McCann continued: “so you know that it is actually rubbish”

Their McCann’s denials were, of course, technically true although perhaps disingenuous – because there were only 14 messages received on the day before they reported Madeleine missing and two on the day after.

There were 16 SMS messages, in total, so why prevaricate and deny an allegation that was never made. The question was about received messages, not those sent, and on the day before not on 3rd May 2007 or the day after! In the field of forensic linguistics you must always concentrate on the precise wording of denials and especially on those of allegations not made. The denials made by the McCanns are suspicious. However, Mrs McCann’s statement about her husband not sending SMS messages, until after Madeleine’s disappearance, is confirmed by Vodafone’s records.

Mr and Mrs McCann were never closely questioned by the PJ about the detail of their calls, but Gerald McCann excused the deletions by saying that his telephone’s memory only retained details of the last ten calls made. This obvious inaccuracy (It already had retained details of 17 calls) does not appear to have been challenged by the PJ and it does not in anyway explain the selective deletions from his wife’s handset.

So the bottom line is that Kate McCann was in Apartment 5A when Madeleine cried for her father between 22.30 and 23.45 on Tuesday 1st May 2007, leading to a unique flurry of late night calls and to unique calls very early the following morning. A forensic examination of the records of Madeleine’s attendance at the “Lobsters” crèche on Wednesday 2nd and Thursday 3rd May 2007 is critically important because if they have been falsified, to establish she was there when she was not, this case takes on an entirely new dimension and sets different search parameters.

Secondly, if the memories of the mobile telephones were deleted in way suspected, a level of cunning is implied that would be capable of conceiving plan to deliberately delay reporting Madeleine’s “disappearance”; if for no other reason than to disassociate it from the crying incident on Tuesday 1st May 2007.

Of course, this is speculation and it is entirely possible that further investigation and the much awaited transparency by Mr and Mrs McCann will totally exonerate them. But why don’t they simply produce the SMS messages and explain why call details were deleted?

(*) This report is a result of cooperation with a leading international investigative firm that is in the closing stages of an 18 month intensive investigation that is expected to reopen the case in Portugal and to start new proceedings in the UK.

141 Responses to “More on the deleted call records – Where Was Kate McCann?”

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  1. 101
    midas Says:

    I check in every day to see if there is any news from Liberty or Van Wyk and there is still nothing at all. I hope they have not abandoned us. Let us hope they return soon with an update. Having said that, I suppose we will be too busy to bother about Van Wyk over the next couple of weeks as we will be watching Dr. Amaral defending himself against the McCanns and hearing more about Halligan’s extradition.

    What a pity that the McCanns or Murat have still not asked for the case to be taken down off the shelf yet.

  2. 102
    Liberty Says:

    Liberty here. Just want to share I am definitely not van Wyk. He is my brother. I wanted to support him in solving a mystery that has lead to a lot of people barking up the wrong tree. It seems the innocent people who really want to help, become the object of suspicion; whilst those who hide a guilty secret are literally getting away with murder. There is no South African ‘connection’. The plain truth is someone from South Africa was sure that he could solve the case. But some people can’t see the wood for the trees… We had a very sad case here in Soouth Africa about twenty years ago when a man by the surname van Rooyen and his mistress ‘kidnapped’ five young girls; the police left no stone unturned; psychics were involved but to this day they have not been found. Both died, with their dark secret. Not a single clue. Many people go missing, but people become interested in the cases that are publicised, because it intrigues them; we all want the truth to come out. They think they may have answers. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong. Sometimes the cases are left to ‘die’ a quiet death. But not in the case of Madeleine. Personally I believe she is dead. But I have no evidence. A message from a psychic to my brother intrigued me, and although I wished it were possible for Madeleine to be found alive, I really think that is not the case, and it would be good even if her body was found, so that the case could come to rest. The families of the five girls who all disappeared in the same city region, over a short period of time all were known to have contact with van Rooyen but to this day nothing has been finalised and the families still live with the burden of not knowing. I’m not sure whether the McCanns had anything to do with her death. At times I thought they did. Many things still don’t add up, but I’m not the expert. Just someone who tried to help her brother in a case he believed he could solve. I have not followed the case for some time, and really not found out what the outcome of the case was against Mr Amaral. I will google and see what the outcome was. But for those that check for news: this is it. I hope justice will prevail and that this case will eventually be solved. Greetings from South Africa.

  3. 103
    Judy Says:

    Coming to the anniversary of Maddie’s disappearance in a few days, I’d just like to say that from all the evidence and stories of the happenings of the night,am sorry but the Mccanns do seem not altogether innocent. My first thoughts were probably a disciplining session gone tragic,but with more and more facts not adding up with the stories of the Mccanns, coupled with the strange behaviour of deleting calls etc and their telephone use,it all seems to point towards a conspiracy. Kids can be real brats,real rascals indeed,and sometimes I wonder how i will manage rebellious cranky children if mine turn out this way, but killing them is not the solution. Rest in Peace Maddie, you are remembered by many all over the world.

  4. 104
    Sarah Says:

    I have often wondered whether anyone ever picked up on what Gerry Mccann said in his first ‘speech’ to the press. He said ‘we first must do what is best for oursleves and then for Madeleine’. I remember being shocked hearing this on sky news back in 2007. First that any father would do what is best for himself first and then consider his abducted daughter’s needs after and yet now I beleive that if they Gerry and Kate are involved in Madeleine’s disappearance and tried to cover it up with a fake abduction story it is because they believed they were going to lose it all – their other children, their careers, home etc if they were to admit that there was an accidental overdose of sedative. I also remember being shocked to see that despite Kate McCann’s ‘grief’ she still managed to change her earrings, necklace, bracelets and watch almost daily including a plethora of premeditated outfits all crisply ironed. If my little girl had disappeared under those circumstances I am not sure I could even have washed for weeks let alone actually thought about my ‘look’. I do not want to think ill of them but I do feel that even if they are not guilty of her death – they are a cold unemotional couple of many many levels.

  5. 105
    Curious Says:

    Sarah I’m with you on this; It was Kate and Gerry’s odd behaviour, her perfectly curled little ribbons and flawless, expertly matched jewellery, and frankly, her lack of emotion, that made me suspicious.

    I’ll admit, I’d always assumed Maddie was seen the day she vanished but a lot of this information paints a picture she was long dead by the time the alarm was raised and probably already hidden.

    I am one of the ‘guilty by accident’ theorists; I think Maddie was hurt and died accidentally, not through malice but through tragedy. Or yes, perhaps she was sedated and had a fall or choked etc.
    Either way I dont think the girl was abused or intentionally harmed.
    I think a family holiday went horribly wrong. The McCann’s, through neglect, lost their child and panicked. As doctors with two other young children and Kate’s possible history if guardianship issues(I’d love more details on the apparent story she tried to rescind guardianship of Maddie, possibly only briefly while she got used to having the twins) Rather than admit their negligence and risk losing everything, they panicked, and hid her, deciding to pass it off as an abduction. I dont think it happened the day before she was reported missing, but maybe the day she was reported missing.
    Either way she was dead long enough to produce transferable ‘dead’ smells to toys and blankets which alerted the cadaver dogs.

    As you said, the author, deleting call details and texts speaks to a certain level of malice and awareness but you also raised the point that Kate may have been in shock…it’s entirely possible she deleted a lot of stuff on her phone as she thought it might block or delay an attempt at contact.
    It’s a known fact that a lot of phones, when their inboxes or memory fill up, can be delayed in receiving or can even cease receiving incoming calls and texts.
    My phone does it, my families phones have, my friends, my bf, etc. She may have had the presence of mind to clear her phone, randomly, and free up memory. That would explain that one wrong number being kept while other numbers where deleted. Or maybe she deleted numbers who’s names she had but kept the wrong number in case it was personally significant?

    I dont know, cant say, etc.

    What I do know is, like I say, Sarah hit the nail on the head. The McCann’s where/are an oddly composed, cold couple for a family who lost their child abroad.
    Not to mention the question’s Kate didn’t answer etc, none of which where particularly damning, just facts about the case.
    If a child of mine went missing i’d be hardpressed to stop screaming, let alone wash and fabulously dress every day. And I would tell them EVERYTHING. They’d have too MUCH information from me if I thought it would help.

  6. 106
    widowan Says:

    Anyone know what happened to the 3arguidos forum? The owner of the forum, Bren appeared to be having second thoughts about keeping up the site due to a sudden, violent 180 about face in her feelings about the case. Only a couple weeks ago (June or July 2010) the site appeared to have expired – – due to the domain name expiring. I’m keen to know if I’ve just gotten the web address wrong or if this forum, the follow on to the original the3arguidos,has actually given up the ghost. The original site was fantastic and had been created fro people who had been on the Mirror Forum when they had that shut down.

  7. 107
    widowan Says:

    I have been looking into some criminal profiling blogs and found an interesting one by an American criminal profiler, Pat Brown. If you google Pat Brown blog you ought to be able to find it, and under Kate McCann, an string of 9 blog entries with extremely interesting assessment by this profiler who has decades of such work under her belt and has come out based on the profiling work comprised of sociology, criminal justice learnings, statistics, pyschology, behavioral science, forensics, and all the stuff that makes up criminal profiling, with some commentary very close to what laymen were coming up with as “gut” instincts as to what likely occurred. She finds it 99% likely that MM is dead and draws a scenario where the body was mummified then removed from Portugal by the parents, which eviently isn’t nearly as bizzare, difficult or unusual as it seems to some people.
    She hasn’t had a recent blog on it but many of the “reasons” provided by those who believe in McCanns’ innocence, for why they could not have done this, are swiftly laid to rest by Pat Brown. She hasn’t seemingly read the police report after it came out, yet feels that the parents are incredibly narcissistic and that the most likely case is that Madeleine was “taken” in death while the parents were busy neglecting their children – and they know it and their statements lead to this conclusion.

  8. 108
    widowan Says:

    I’ve been checking out a criminal profiling blog, a woman who is quite famous as a profiler and a commentator – Pat Brown – she has addressed this casein 9 blogs which interestingly enough come to the same conclusion based on forensics, behavioral science, criminal justice learnings, psychology, etc – all the stuff profiling takes into account – that many of us have come to as lay people. She did not continue to follow the case long after the parents fled having been named arguidos, so hasn’t even SEEN the good evidence in the report – however based on what she did see of them., their behavior on the night, and previous nights, their statements and actions afterwards, their hiring of Metodo 3, their narcissistic behavior and some assessment of the language in their statements has simply arrived at the conclusion, MM is 99% likely dead and more shockingly lays to rest quite swiftly most of the “reasons” the McCann supporters offer as evidence that this can not have been down to them including moving the body several times, its mummification in a sandy shallow grave in hot weather and then ultimate removal to England! She states if she were the PJ the place to look, while continuing to explore the possibility that it was an abduction, may be in Leicester. She addresses Kate’s moan in one blog about how the reason people aren’t sympathetic to her is her fitness or appearance and states that her appearance, fitness, wealth, status etc is what has saved her from being clapped into jail instantly as a fat, working class parent would have been given the evidence even “if” they are only guilty of quite appalling child neglect.
    Google Pat Brown blog, and scroll down to kate mccann or gerry mccann, there’s quite an interesting little body of work there that puts some clear, experienced eyes (shes done this for decades and has her own profiling school and is quite non nonsense) on this case from an outide perspective.

  9. 109
    Liam Says:

    Kate’s growing annoying to the world now. She’s not the only woman in the world to lose a child, through dissappearance or to death. Maddie could still be alive, no one knows exactly, but some people in the world have had it way worse than her. So why does she get donated to and manage to get herself a book deal..? Greedy bitch.

  10. 110
    Kate McCann releasing a book - General Chatter Forum (Page 60) Says:

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  11. 111
    Liz Y Says:

    Widowan, I know it’s been a while butI’ve read somewhere, someone recommending a post of yours on Gerry’s missing bag. I can’t find it anywhere, can you enlighten me?

  12. 112
    lou lou Says:

    I have just brought the book Madaline and to be quite frank and I have only read the first two chapers of this book but it is all about Kate,Me me me !!!!!
    Too be honest if they were a couple from a council house estate then they would have had their two other children taken away and put into care, for negegence if you remember one lady went to pub and left her children and they were taken from her..
    How can two perents leave their children three of them all 3 and under alone not once but every night alone in a strange place????? this cannot be true!!! I took my 13 year old grandaughter to turkey last year just the two of us and she was never out of my sight I even slept in the bed nearest the hotel bed room door, so should any thing or one enter I would be alerted..
    The fact is they left 3 very small children on their own every night how dare kate write in her book that people are speaking ill of her and that they are evil, what I ask my self has she done????

    The book is all poor me and why don;t I shop at aldi when people see me shopping in M/S wake up kate…. everyone want poor maddie to be found safe and well and I cannot begin to imagin what I would do if I lost my children or grandchildren, I brought two children up from been 1 and three on my own worked full time but I did not ever leave the alone for a single second.

    What you did can not be accpptable ever, stop pointing the finger to everyone but your self because this is what you do look after you as you did on the sad and terrible night, was you so fed up of looking after your children where they too much trouble??? Tell me Kate if a perent had left there children and had them taken away from them as a GP what would you say to them?????? Yes they should never of left their children alone. same goes for you too. You are selfish, and playing the victim, sadly it was Maddie who has suffered as a result of you selfishness and not you !!! I hope you find your daughter safe and well, But don’t think this will ever happen do you???

  13. 113
    kali Says:

    i’m with the majority i believe she is dead too, sad as that is but if it was them who done it personaly with their bare hands or she fell foul to a stranger i still believe it is their fault those kids should not have been left on their own in a country that is not their own… i think her crying for her dad was probably dew to some accident happening and they’ve got back and she’s choked anything could have happend and she was crying and nobody could hear her to bother checking in so they’ve freaked out because not only do they know they will be blaimed and hated by the world they would be bang up to rights…why was these children dumped in the day/night care all the bleeding time why did they not want to enjoy their holiday with their kids and the fact she has written a book which i only found out earlier in the name of finding maddy funds.. get off your ass stop writing books to get yourself some cash an sympathy out of a tragedy that is your childs exploiting the situation which is inapropriate on soo many levels an get hunting hi an low for your little girl. if people saw them doing something productive they would help them willingly anyway.. may god bless the child where ever she may be and i prey she is not in any pain or suffering, we all hope an wish for you to return one day but if that is not to be then sleep with the angels x

  14. 114
    Jo Says:

    The tragedy of this case I believe is the amount of police time and public resources wasted in Portugal, the UK and other countries searching for a child who may have died in her holiday apartment with the full knowledge of her parents and perhaps others. What other disasters have occurred that could have been avoided if all these resources had not been used up in what seems like a fruitless search? The extent of the damage caused by this apparently useless search may never be known because funding for other matters may well have been cut back especially in a country as poor as Portugal is.

    One very important part of an investigation into the disappearance of a child requires that the parents provide police with all the help they can in establishing beyond doubt that the child was indeed abducted. From what we know of the initial police investigation with sniffer dogs and also further investigation with the cadaver dog Eddie and the crime scene (blood detection) dog Kayla, all the evidence seems to point to Madeleine’s death in the holiday apartment and cover up by the parents and possibly their friends. They seem to have interfered negatively in the investigation rather than helped.

    My strong belief lies in the theory I read elsewhere that the McCanns appear to have wanted to avoid an autopsy on Madeleine’s body at any cost. Are they still allowed to administer medical treatment to their remaining children? That I believe would be scandalous. As for the apparent interference in this case by politicians in high places, do these politicians past or present, understand the meaning of the Westminster Convention of the Separation of Powers in that the executive government who legislate, are not allowed to interfere in the judicial process at any stage??? I would have thought that the initial stages of a police investigation are part of that process. British police were dispatched to Portugal to look at the evidence. To overlook evidence from the initial investigation and simply accept without doubt the word of the parents that the child was abducted
    regardless of any evidence to the contrary, appears to me to be a miscarriage of justice.

    Site Admin: It certainly was a gross miscarriage of justice. Also, don’t forget the abysmal way in which the witnesses were interviewed in England in April 2008 at Leicestershire Constabulary. Those interviews are a complete farce. The Tapas 7 witnesses were virtually directed in what they should say. People were on first name terms with the police, there were hundreds of bogus sightings and the information from the Gaspar statements was deliberately withheld from the PJ for almost 6 months. Regarding sightings, let’s face it – people still claim to see Elvis and Lord Lucan. Whether Madeleine died or not, there will always be people wasting police time on “sightings”.

    The McCanns are bare faced liars and if they were in the USA, I feel sure a Grand Jury would have indicted them a long time ago.

  15. 115
    Elizabeth Says:

    Those babies should have never been left alone, that is a crime in itself. The behavior of the parents is bizarre I don’t even know how they could leave the country that their child is “missing” in. Poor little Maddie. I remember seeing a news brief with the McCanns shortly after the alleged disapperance of Maddie and they were at their home with a decorated Christmas tree in the background. I remember thinking “how could they even celebrate a holiday while their child is “missing” in another country”. I also heard she washed the babies stuffed toy shortly after the “disappearance”, that of all things is not something a mother would do. Number one I wouldn’t even think about doing wash, number two that is your babies toy with her scent. They know what happened to Maddie, I can only pray that one day justice will prevail.

  16. 116
    emma Says:

    I think the reason they continue to act like not much has changed is because they have 2 other kids.I know if anything happened to my son I would kill myself,I just wouldn’t cope.But them not keeping it together would be no good for the other kids.They have to continue on for the sake of the siblings.Also,falling apart will do noone any good.Yes there has been strange behaviour but have any of you got a missing child?People deal with problems in different ways and this is there way.Normality is essential for their sanity.Also,if they start loosing it then they WILL loose the other kids,social services would take them away.Think about it,we have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and they are innocent until proven guilty.I really hope that one day that little girl comes back but I believe that is very unlikely 🙁 The book is to raise funds to keep that case open,I don’t think they’ll be making profits on the loss of their baby girl…….

    Site admin: Absolute nonsense! The McCanns have never been seen looking for their first born child. Of course they are making profits – look at their accounts and see the corporation tax they have paid. Tax is only paid on profits! In 2007 they paid over £37,000 for a website that would cost under £1000 at commercial rates. Who got the other £36,000? People do not generally deal with things differently because, after all, we are all humans and therefore we do the same things as each other. We grieve, we laugh, we cry etc. “Innocent until proven guilty” only means “in the eyes of the law”, it doesn’t mean you really are innocent. The Yorkshire Ripper was “innocent” on the same basis until the jury found him guilty but obviously he wasn’t ever “innocent” because he had butchered many women in a long period of time. Even after he confessed that he was the Ripper after his arrest, he was still legally “innocent”. He only became guilty after the verdict was issued by the court. There is always a period of time between a crime being committed and a guilty verdict where a person is deemed “innocent”. It doesn’t mean they really are innocent though.

  17. 117
    Sonia Says:

    I think it’s too easy to judge others until you have “walked in their shoes”. None of us is perfect and they made a terrible mistake with terrible consequences. It’s extremely unlikely given the fact that they were surrounded by people – particularly after Madeleine disappeared – by journalists, family, curious onlookers that they could have done removed her body. They happen to be very well educated people with good connections meaning that their daughter’s disappearance has been given higher profiling – but this has raised awareness for many other missing children and in a sense then this couldn’t have happened to a “better” family because of their constant efforts and work with other organisations and initiatives – most notably their campaigns for for a Europe-wide missing child alert. Petty comments about Kate’s jewellery and a Christmas tree for her kiddies..only make one wonder at the mindset of the observer.. Kate is an elegant woman with 2 other little ones to consider .. The bottom line is, she is a mother grieving for her baby and enduring everyone’s very worst fear, using every bit of wit and strength and influence to search for their daughter and to stop anyone from ever forgetting her and until she is proven gone, she is alive somewhere. How can anyone begrudge her that? Wouldn’t you do the same if it was your child? Would you go to such enormous lengths to keep the media spotlight firmly trained on you if you had something to hide? A bit of a risk I’d say – and yet, this family have risked it all to find their child – including the unending criticism from insensitive “judges” who don’t really know anything at all. Were you there? Did you see what happened that night? Are you walking in this family’s shoes today? None of us was has the right to make judgements based on hearsay.. why would they receive an apology from the papers, be eliminated as suspects and receive as much support and funding as they do if there weren’t many many people who felt that they – and especially little Madeleine – deserved this? She is the real victim here – so remember whenever you pillory her parents, that you are hindering the search – unless you have something valuable to bring to the table.

    Site Admin: Your first sentence presupposes that you know exactly what happened. You say they made a terrible mistake. Can you provide evidence of this terrible mistake please? If not then you are just as guilty of the same faults you accuse others of. “Extremely unlikely” is not “impossible” is it? Since when were crimes like this “extremely likely”? What does education, status or their campaigning for Amber Alert have to do with their innocence or guilt? Answer: NOTHING.

    So what if they went on a tour to campaign for awareness of other missing children. That does not remove them being the last people to see Madeleine alive (by their own admission) and statistically it does not diminish the chance that they were guilty of harming Madeleine because the math doesn’t lie. What has being “elegant” and having 2 other kids to consider got to do with anything? In April 2007 she had 3 kids to consider. What a pity she didn’t consider the oldest of the 3 kids eh?

    Do you live at the McCanns’ home per chance? If not, how do you know they are grieving? We’ve all seen them laughing and joking on many photos and videos. Gerry was laughing and joking a few days after Madeleine was reported missing and the pair of them were laughing and joking as they left the church on what would have been Madeleine’s 4th birthday. That doesn’t look like grieving.

    If it were my child who was really missing, I would have participated in a re-enactment of the alibis. I would have helped the police in every way possible. The McCanns haven’t. They dodged a re-enactment with petty excuses. Gerry McCann sat in on Kate’s interview on May 4 when as we all know, he should have been interviewed totally separately. Why did they prevent the police from examining Madeleine’s medical records and the parent’s financial information? The British police claim that Gerry has no record of having credit cards. That’s strange because in his blog he claims they were stolen when his wallet was stolen! He also rented a car and we have the last 4 digits of his credit card on the rental agreement – also in the police file. Why then the secrecy with the McCanns’ financial information?

    To answer another one of your questions, NO – I would not be bothered about the media ahead of helping the police. The police are going to find the girl – not the media.

    Contrary to what you think and say, we all have the right to think and say whatever we want – that’s what a free country means. In this website we say the McCanns had something to do with the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine and two-thirds of the population also believe that. Therefore we can think and say what we like.

    Finally, I don’t know of anyone basing their judgement on hearsay. The facts are all there. Did you not read the police file? Do you not realise that the police investigated this as a homicide with a staged abduction? That is truth and fact – not hearsay.

  18. 118
    john dedman Says:

    Kate McCann (anethetist) killed her daughter with a drug overdose. And that is the truth

  19. 119
    Lizella Says:

    I think, Kate and Gerry had a dispute the night before. Gelousy about the woman at the bar who joined Gerry at his table. The many deleted messages and phone calls, many of which Gerry didn’t answer because he knew it was from his wife. She slept in the spare room and the next day they did activities separate from each other. The problem had not been solved and that is where and when everything went haywire.

  20. 120
    Jo Says:

    @ Lizella
    Gerry claimed he thought Kate was in the spare room because of his snoring so why would he ignore calls from her? Not sure what you are getting at with the ‘haywire’ theory.
    @ john dedman
    I don’t know the whole truth but it’s certainly not coming from the McCanns mouths IMO and your theory does get to the point and would explain why Kate has shown no interest in practising anaesthesia again. I didn’t know that was her specialist area of medicine for a long time as with hindsight it seems to have been played down ( ? by the McCanns) in earlier media reports as she was portrayed as a GP thus diverting attention away from the ‘medicating’ of the children. On my visits to the UK years ago when my children were young I was surprised to say the least when I heard parents or grandparents mentioning giving children medicines that had sedating effects, on a regular basis. Not an acceptable practice if that does happen anywhere in the world and I don’t know why it would happen in the UK any more than here in Australia. Forgive me if my observations were wrong but Kate’s mother or father did say that she gave the children some such medicine as if that was fine.

  21. 121
    joanne Says:

    Many people have said that kate and gerry were/are acting cold and unemotional and not acting how they should be if they had a daughter abducted but i have to agree with emma above we are all different and respond to situations in different ways. Look at Lindy chamberlain in the Northern territory Australia, she has been acquitted after being charged and going to jail because she said a dingo stole her baby and the media thought she was cold and unemotional and not ating the way she was supposed to…turns out that was just how she reacted to the situation. i dont know if they are guilty or innocent and neither does anyone as there is not enough evidence either way but just because they act unemotional does not prove they are guilty.

  22. 122
    irina Says:

    Mccanns… I never believed them. This case stinks.Poor little girl! I just hope one day we will find the truth. They neglected the children and as a result something horrible happened that night.they choosed to cover it up because they would loose to much. Job,other two children and future in prison. No one who I know support a stupid version with abduction!

  23. 123
    vienna Says:

    The Mccanns are guilty as sin.. 1) to leave children alone.. 2)What parents go jogging when the little daughter is missing, 3) wash all evidence of cuddlecat.. Kate not to talk without jerry.. 4)different statements by all.. (5 why would any parent leave the country when the child is missing in that country? Poor child was never going to make it home alone, so why would her parents return without her? Running running running from the truth..
    The parents appear cold, heartless and acted in such a bizzare way when the child was missing.. why? they have had huge amounts of money by way of donation and so much more from the papers for hinting the parents to blame.. money grabbers these people are, not so long away moaning maddies fund is drying up? why do they pay the mortgage from it them? just saying thought it was the maddie fund? now kate with her book all me me me me.. what about your daughter kate..
    I do wish this child was found safely, however, i dont think this will ever be the case.. the POLICE NEED TO RE-OPEN AND LOOK CLOSER TO HER PARENTS…

  24. 124
    Nicko Says:

    Still MANY people believe the McCann’s are guilty and I hope the pressure is NEVER off them.
    They left those children alone; well you could say “that’s OK many people do” but they don’t leave the door unlocked do they? Now why would they leave the door unlocked “… in case there was a fire” we are told. Yeah right – three toddlers would not leave a burning building calmly; they would just lie screaming in their beds. There’s only one reason for the door being unlocked and that is because if it had been locked then the abduction ploy could not have been used. The door had to be unlocked so they could claim somebody took Madeleine – after all they couldn’t lock the door and then risk staging a break-in (somebody might hear).
    Then there’s the issue of when the police had a suspect who lived about 1/4 mile from where the McCann’s were staying. The police have a man under suspicion, he lives within walking distance and Mr McCann gives a calm statement to the press saying that he has faith in the portugese and he’ll await developments. What?! You tell me any father who wouldn’t be champing at the bit to get to that man and beat a confession out of him.
    No. There’s all teh suspicious stuff before the event plus everything after the event.
    Kate and Gerry – you will rot in hell if you’ve harmed Madeleine and withheld the truth.

  25. 125
    Tom Says:

    Why don’t the McCanns take a lie detector test,,, It would prove to all, either they are innocent or guilty…. I think the mother gave Maddie a sedative and Maddie never woke up…

  26. 126
    tiny susie Says:

    I think from what i saw on ophrah that Kate shook Madeleine as she did a bit of demonstration of how she would shake Madeleine,if kate really smashed up a bed seems perfectly plausable she could be in rage with Madeleine for crying and spoiling their tapas dinners and wine parties by her crying.She also showed a waving motion of her arm on a Panorama documentary so I think she gotangry and agressive in drink and temper and out of rational control and clocked Madeleine good and hard for crying at night while they drank,…..why else would she mention looking to see if poor Madeleine was cowering in a cupboard,she said she found madeleine difficult to control,and I think as they put their needs before their children they were perfectly capable of other cruelty and rages too,I think they both look capable of flying out of control in anger without thinking it to be wrong sadly my opinion is that in all truth and may be worse as the find madeleine they planned things ahead … did they know to make events long in advance unless they knes madeleine was never coming back because they both Knew she is dead.Why did gerry sayhe was not on holiday to enjoy himself,clearly he had plans and they both back each other up instead of argue over poor Madeleine they ae as thick as thieves and even where matching clothing,they were in it together planned in my opinion as was the find madeleine all planned and too well planned to be genuine i.m.o.most people percentage wise think along the same lines as i do,that we are all being lied to repeatedly and conned and in some cases bullied for doubting their ever changing styories.

  27. 127
    anon Says:

    I think the Portugese police know very well the core of what happened, and that it is very, very serious, and involved. I also think, other than that, they probably are not aware of the half of it, for it is big and far too strange to deal with. Going in every direction. It can’t add up. What to do?

    And, while constrained by the British state, why should they waste their resources on an enquiry about a British girl, involving the British parents, hampered by the British, when the parents are supported in non-cooperation, when the British police can try it themselves, with or without British people stopping them?

    Even of what the Portugese police do actually know, and not quite prove or, separately, do anything much, what then can it matter?

    The girl is gone. She is OK, at least, where she is. That’s over.

  28. 128
    anon Says:

    While, it matters. At the same time. Of course.

    What I am saying is it also doesn’t matter anymore. People can do what they can do. Anything more is kind of against the earth. When that is what the other camp are doing anyway, the perpetrators, and who knows what all it is or where it stops (it probably doesn’t), it’s good enough to think, in one sense – it doesn’t matter. While, yet, of course, it will still matter in ways.

  29. 129
    Mick McNulty Says:

    In a case like this not everybody can stay quiet forever and it only takes one person who knows something to speak out…somebody in the bar that night, or in the Portuguese or British police, or the media, or even the Establishment. This is not one of those cases which was hardly reported then quietly forgotten; this case is of world-wide importance and the secrecy must be tearing somebody apart. Even if the decision to tell what they know is still years away from being made, there are many contributors on this site who will still be alive to finally hear it. It just remains to be seen if the McCanns are still alive when the truth does come out, or if indeed it is one of them who discloses it.

  30. 130
    anon (from 128) Says:

    Most of what you’re saying is true, Mick, but I disagree in my estimate about whether the full truth will come out or not. From this length of time since the happening, the achievement has been carried out now, close to 100% – the achievement of keeping the truth hidden and the avoidance of verifiable blame of the McCanns and their circle. The crucial time is more or less over now. It’s funny that the British police give a watershed of this Christmas time when they think they will have to wind down to finish their investigation. A co-incidence, the end of this year must be really just at the final point of the crucial time for “successfully” hiding the truth and avoiding blame.

    This is really more or less over now for the McCanns, their circle, the other perpetrators.

    Look at the Jimmy Saville affair going on now, and affair after the man’s death. Everyone knew. So many were involved illegally with some connection in it or the same kind of thing, linked. No successful actions were ever developed against Saville. A lot of people made sure of that. One thing about that affair is that, now police are stating there are over 300 separate lines of abuse enquiry, and calling Saville the most prolific sex offender ever (or juvenile sex offender, I’m not sure).

    But I reckon that those 300 lines to claims of abuse episodes are not even the half of the real story. Honestly. There are people, not a small number, who just will never, ever say. They just don’t want to, they don’t want to think. Most are relieved that the substance of the man’s psychopathic nature is out there now. But for their own experience(s), it’s too hard and troubling, or just seems not worth bothering about with a serious police investigation about a dead man who is known as a criminal now anyway. I guess there can easily be even more of those people that those who have said.

    Anyway, what I’m illustrating is the hugeness of an abuse affair, the largeness of people involved and people who were victims and hugeness of people who more or less knew. And it led to nothing against Saville during all the decades of the man’s life. He died officially as no-one connected with sex abuse.

    With the Madeleine McCann affair, there was only one victim as what is investigated as the disappearance of a child.

    You are right, Mick, that there are people who know the truth, or more or less know, outside the McCanns’s circle from their holiday and the hotel workers.

    But, for those intent on concealing the truth, the crucial period is very nearly over. And after that, the chances of the truth ever coming out are very slim. I guess it’s just the chance of someone saying something amiss and being caught – even then most things can be easily explained away or covered up. There is a slim chance someone who knows can tell. But it’s so unlikely after this crucial period. Again, look at the Saville affair, and there are many others.

    No, I can’t see that the truth will become public now. Alas.

  31. 131
    Wendela Says:

    i think the mccanns should be wiretapped.

  32. 132
    G1 Says:

    I say they probably were, Wendela, in a way that will never come out, whether it was legal or not to tap their comms.

    Some of the wider theories have Gerry McCann having knowledge of “big events” in the past involving corrupt or illuminati government people, royalty, law enforcement people and / or celebrities.

    The theories suggest Madeleine’s disappearance was something to do with a ring which had also had connections with the big events Gerry may have known about. Then they suggest Gerry McCann more or less blackmailed well known people for support, hence the strange interference of powerful and well known British people in what was probably to become a murder enquiry, but then didn’t.

    One thing would be for sure, that if those stories have any credence and relevance to what went on, the McCanns were tapped every second. In their cars, homes, phones etc. etc.

    And if those stories don’t really have relevance to the world and the McCanns, I’d find it hard to believe that secret services weren’t tapping their phones anyway. Gerry has a sex abuse conviction history. Their friends went to police suggesting they thought it likely Madeleine was abused by Gerry, maybe Kate, and friend Payne.

    Gerry and Kate took the highest profile and the global media had a frenzy which went on and on and on. Even if everything could have been bona-fide in the British world – the politicians, royalty and law people and so on, meaning they couldn’t actually be connected in any way to M. McCann’s disappearance – serious people in law enforcement circles would have been very concerned about those people. Their history. Their amazingly high profile – going to PMs, politicians, heads of largest world religions! and so on.

    There must have been serious worries about their sanity in what we used to call “secret service” departments, and that there were risks. After all, they must have been instantly 50/50 suspects as murderers of Madeleine (probably a higher likelihood, given the statistics saying most similar disappearances were due to close family or friends, known people).

    Then, the Portugese investigation went to thinking clearly that Kate and Gerry were to blame, but the P Police just couldn’t find the evidence to convict finally, and the alleged sightings were still going on. And the UK prevented evidence going to the P Police, and suddenly Portugese registered physical evidence became lost or changed in the UK.

    So – whether or not K and G were actually in some kind of agreement with well known people or public role people who had things to hide from the UK – it seems to me as likely as anything is they were tapped and recorded here. I think Secret services would do that thing at the drop of a hat in the past, with any issue that there was some worry over or seemed strange. Things have probably changed in the last decade or two, but I doubt it changed too much. I guess tappings still go on.

    Could be wrong, of course! I just can’t really hold the alternative – seems unlikely.

  33. 133
    Mag Says:

    Trial For The McCanns! Enough is Enough. Watch the video on You Tube… All linked and sharable. Justice For Madeleine!

  34. 134
    Ann Other Says:

    I’ve used Analysts Notebook and excel to analyse phone traffic and its not going to get any useful results in this case. Clearly there are those who think the McCanns are monsters. I don’t but that is an uninformed opinion, like the rest of you. But if she had been killed and her body dumped it would have turned up by now. So something else happened.

  35. 135
    Jude Says:

    THE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED: Why did you leave your very young children on their own? Did you need a break? How were you and Gerry getting along? And, why did you wash “snuggle cat”? Very unusual to wash something belonging to a loved one, immediately after death OR when someone goes missing – Totally inhumane AND with regard to any other loved one, in this respect, unless of course you are hiding something. AUSTRALIA

  36. 136
    john Says:

    Petition only on facebook/twtr could be a mistake – might have been better to also allow
    email signings giving possibly much greater number of signatures

  37. 137
    G1 Says:

    Correction to comment 132 above:

    Paragraph 5 said:

    “And if those stories don’t really have relevance to the world and the McCanns, I’d find it hard to believe that secret services weren’t tapping their phones anyway. Gerry has a sex abuse conviction history. Their friends went to police suggesting they thought it likely Madeleine was abused by Gerry, maybe Kate, and friend Payne.”

    It was a error to write Gerry McCann has some history in conviction for sex abuse. (I used the wrong words, I wasn’t thinking straight.) Such isn’t known publicly, and there isn’t any evidence of any such conviction. Gerry McCann had, though, some kind of inquiry record in relation to some kind of unknown involvement with a case of sexual connected abuse (on the British national CATS system). It is not known what this is. While there has not been any publicly given evidence or allegation of Gerry’s missing daughter, Madeleine, ever having been connected with any form of child abuse, involving family or anyone else.

  38. 138
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  39. 139


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  40. 140
    steve Cooper Says:

    Kate McCann tried to explain away the sniffer dog results by saying they could have picked up on smells etc connected to her job in which she’d been in close contact with dead bodies. Even the toy cat she claimed she often took to work with her????????. then I’m sure I read that she was actually still on maternity leave at the time of the disappearance of Madeleine and acyually hadn’t worked for approx two years. If thats so how long would the so called work related smells etc remain ‘active’?Has anyone asked her to pin point exactly when she last worked in relation to the disappearance?. So many people have been convicted on far less circumstantial evidence than is connected to this case but the McCanns just seem untouchable. Why?

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