Evidence was manipulated

Source: Correio da Manhã, 04.08.2008, paper edition, translation by Astro

Investigation – PJ believes that the McCann couple altered the crime scene in order to simulate the abduction

Maddie’s parents accused of changing the disposition of the furniture and of washing the sofa

The Polícia Judiciária has no doubts that Maddie’s parents changed the disposition of furniture and objects in the apartment where Maddie disappeared from on the evening of May 3, 2007, in the Algarve, thus manipulating the crime scene in order to better justify the abduction theory that they always defended.

According to the Polícia Judiciária’s investigation, which from today onwards is public, the coincidence between the marking of cadaver odour and blood which was given by the sniffer dogs behind the sofa “indubitably” proves that the sofa was pushed against the wall after the little girl’s death. On the other hand, given the few indicia that was collected from this piece of furniture, which was located on the same spot where the dogs gave a signal, the Judiciária admits the possibility that it was “subject to washing” in order to eliminate eventual traces.

Soft toy placed on the bed

“There are strong indicia that they altered the crime scene, moving some of the furniture. The changes are indicators of simulation”, one of the PJ’s reports reads, also revealing that Maddie’s soft toy, which was found at the top of the bed where Maddie slept, was placed there at a posterior moment, given the fact that contrary to the soft toy, the bed failed to reveal cadaver odour.

“There was an intentional modification, in an attempt to take advantage for the simulation of the picture of abduction”, one can read in the process, where the investigators recall that the procedures from the family were in such manner as to conduct the investigation into the direction of the abduction thesis. The Polícia Judiciária believes that the false abduction was “worked by the group”, which made the investigators “waste time”.

McCanns mentioned death to the PJ

The possibility that Madeleine is dead was raised to the PJ by the McCanns themselves, who suggested contacting a person to indicate the spot where the cadaver could be found. “This fact became unexplainable for the elements of the investigation”, the PJ writes, remembering that in front of the journalists, the parents continued to manifest the hope that they would find their daughter alive.

The dogs never failed in 200 searches

In over two hundred searches, ‘Eddie’ and ‘Keela’, the sniffer dogs of the springel spaniel breed that were used in the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie, did not give a single “false positive result”.

The guarantee is given by English expert Martin Grime, who in the report about the search guarantees that the behaviour of the dog that is trained to detect cadaver odour “changed immediately after opening the front door of the apartment” where Madeleine McCann disappeared from.

“He went into the apartment with above average interest”, the document reads, explaining that the dog signaled inside the couple’s bedroom, in the living room, behind the sofa and next to the side window. The same signs were given by the dog that is trained to detect blood residues. The dogs signaled the same spots and objects that are related to the McCanns – house, car and clothes – which was decisive for being made arguidos.

Notes

No credibility

The deposition by Jane Tanner, who said she saw someone crossing the street carrying a child, was not considered credible by the PJ, which does not understand how the McCanns’ friend, upon seeing someone walking away from Madeleine’s apartment “did not act or speak out immediately”.

Everyone lies

The PJ says that the information that was collected from the McCanns and their friends was “worked upon” in order to strengthen the abduction theory. But it rapidly perceived that “everyone lies” in the issue of checking the children, further explaining that the family information, which in these cases is “fundamental”, was always “distorted”.

Files Process is public – From today onwards, the files of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine can be consulted at the Court of Portimão by lawyers, witnesses and journalists.

Brown Political pressures – Kate’s notebooks reveal that Maddie’s parents called the English prime minister, Gordon Brown, requesting for political pressure to be placed on Portugal.

Book Amaral recounts death – The former coordinator of the Maddie case recounts in his book ‘Truth of the Lie’, his thesis about the case and defends that the little girl was killed in the apartment and her body frozen.

150 Responses to “Evidence was manipulated”

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  1. 51
    Taurus Says:

    Police oracle.

    I look forward to the MET reviewing this case, perhaps their first port of call should be Leicestershire. The PJ needed a reconstruction. If you are police officers then you would know that the Timeline doesn’t make sense! It places the father in the apartment with the abductor, then standing outside chatting, whilst witnessed by another member of the group. Is is really then possible, far from being ‘left home alone’ Madeleine actually disappeared DURING one of the checks. Afterall, she was gone before her father returned to his meal.

    The very people who could clear this up, with co-operation was the friends of the McCanns, the McCanns themselves never refused. Is a reconstruction really too late?

  2. 52
    Liz Y Says:

    Taurus, The reason the reconstruction was vetoed, was a little blinder, get in touch with all of your friends and tell them to refuse to co-operate, then, the McCanns, could claim they were willing but….. Let’s not forget for a moment, these people have the best brains in the country working for them. Be that as it may, we won’t go away.

  3. 53
    Dawn Says:

    Hi, I have been reading this intermittently over a long period of time….and would like to add a few therories of my own as I ‘felt in my heart’ all was not right with this case form the moment it broke. This slightly hinged on Maddies distinctive eye. Well until it was pointed out to us all would we have really noticed it….? Especially in a strangers childs eye. It only became noticable once we knew about it. From that I’m deducing tha the childrens day care staff may not have even noticed it either….so….if Madeleine was not at one session it would not have been so obvious. Even less obvious on refecting back. Especially as a group of childrens carers worked together (unknown how many and for how long and in what capacity) But if they had (let us say) 15 kids and each time they checked they had 15 kids…time and time again…and it checked with their records…And these particular children varied each days depending on their parents choices. How can the child carers KNOW FOR CERTAIN they actually had Madeleine in 3rd, or even the 2nd. or even the 1st. I don’t know how they identify the kids. Remember these kids are too young to read…so if they had a band on their wrist, or a hand-written sticky label or something with their name on and they had the wrong band on (accidently or deliberately) who would really know other than the parents/relatives. The point I’m making is….could Madeleine have died even as early as the night she was crying and shrieked Mummy! The silence….(as heard by Mrs Fenn). Perhaps she even died as the result of someting terrible being done to her….see paragraph below.

    Now as for the reason as to why a mere GP and consultant (no big fish in the general scheme of things)…they may have been aware of, or even party to some pretty nasty paedophile stuff, even involving David Payne and ‘others’ at the resort who are not mentioned but could have been there because the McCanns were….

    They also tell us that Madeleine was a happy child. Now I’m going to discuss something of my experience…….I was abused from within my family…from around aged 4 (my earliest memories). Part of my family group was a paedophile. I never spoke of it…because I had been groomed that it was O.K. Well last year I went through my mothers photos albums of all of us growing up. My dearest of friends said she could see it in my eyes, my body language etc., I had never told her until then. She was also able to point out the perpetrator by his body language too. She also says she can see it in Madeleine, in her eyes, her face, her body language.

    So, there we have some theories…

    Also, if the plane was used to move Madeleine….why bring Madeleine back to put in the hire car (which happens to be the same hire car that the McCanns used…bit of bad luck there, because if they had used a differnt car it may never haave come to light for the dog to find her scent in a car later on…) unless the plane was used to move her our of the immediate area to a freezer or similar and the car to move her futher afield for burial at a later date.

    Another thing…Det. Amoral may well have been taken off the case…and out of his job…but they did not own his brain, his mind. He will, if he is a good Detective, be mulling this over and have theories of his own which will evolve over time. Perhaps our blogs, forums and general other musings might, just might, be the little piece that HE needs to fit together much more than we can even dream of. So keep up the musings, ponderings and keep them coming to this site. And pray without ceasing that Madeleines truth may come out, and she can be found and (if necessary) buried with the love of all of us mother, and the dignity she deserves! That is all for now…..

  4. 54
    Beverly Says:

    Interesting thoughts from Dawn; I have had similar ones about the children’s club in relation to timing of what happened to Maddie and when. I also recall reading at the time (no ref. to give) that a boat which had been moored in the marina for two years – without being moved in all that time, and owned by a British person – allegedly went out from the marina for the first time in two years on the night of 3 May. I read nothing afterwards as to whether this was investigated.

    Similarly, the alleged mileage on the hire car was apparently in the region of 500 miles (that might be km). It was justified by GM in terms of ‘trips to the airport’. I wonder if that was investigated further.

    Hope and pray for the truth and justice to emerge for this child.

  5. 55
    Dawn Says:

    Thanks Beverly…..I did not know about the boat in the Marina…..So that boat could have been waiting for the carrier of Madeleine (seen by the Martins….)were they near the Marina or was the man carrying ‘a child’ heading for the Marina…he appeared to be going downhill ?to water?. Then (perhaps) taken to another bay/beach to be met by the plane? Perhaps the priest being replaced was because he ‘knew too much’? There also seems to be much interchanging of clothes on the McCann children. This happens in families I know…but would help to ‘disguise Madeleines scent/DNA/Cadaverine’. How do we know that the clothes (allegedly) of Madeleines were even worn by her. (These little ones of 3/4 can get great delight in trying each others clothes on between themselves and their siblings/friends – it’s called dressing-up!) I think I’m going to try and get Google Maps and Google street level for that area (if it’s available – where I live isn’t yet) to get a feel for the area better. This is really intriguing me. With Ben Needham there is just a deep sense of sadness…with Madeleine there is a huge sense of outrage!!

  6. 56
    I Don't Believe It Says:

    Dawn, some very telling insights there. Thank you for sharing them.

    Who knows for certain what role paedophilia did or did not play in this… All we know for certain is that we have the Gaspar statement alleging paedophile-style behaviour by Payne/GMC. But I do indeed respect your view of the case, speaking as you do as a survivor.

    I certainly don’t accept the McCann “happy child” narrative. They claim that there was no chance of Madeleine getting up in the middle of the night in Portugal and yet at home they had a “star chart” rewarding her for those occasions when she did not get up in the middle of the night. This is a direct contradiction. The club staff I seem to recall also described Madeleine as being somewhat quiet and withdrawn.

  7. 57
    Dawn Says:

    Adding on to post 53. I and my husband worked in a seniors home for many years. It was not until I mentioned it one day (after three years seeing these folk daily) that ANYONE even noticed I was the only person there with brown eyes…everyone else had shades of blue/grey. Si, easier to misss her eye than you would think!

  8. 58
    I Don't Believe It Says:

    Beverly,

    We certainly have the reference by the Tapas 7 themselves to a boating accident (the same day I think as the disappearance) where one of the men had to be rescued – pulled out of the water – by another. One reads the rogatory interviews and one despairs because these loose ends are never properly followed up. There were so many odd occurences on that holiday that never got followed up!

    The trip to Huelva is certainly a very odd occurence in itself. Why make this one foray into Spain? On a day when the shops are shut! It was a lot of effort – for what? They could have flown to Madrid and had a far, far bigger impact in Spain. But no – they had to take the hire car to Spain.

    The car was indicated by the dogs. What more can one say?

  9. 59
    I Don't Believe It Says:

    Dawn –

    re your 55 post. I think we have to be really careful in this case, so as not to get carried away by web legend.

    The Priest having to retire is a good example. People kind of leap to the conclusion he knew something about Madeleine’s disappearance, possibly via a confession. I think that is highly unlikely. If I recall correctly I think he was actually put out by the way the McCanns used the media and the crisis came after they were made arguidos (suspects). I think at that point the Church hierarchy were p’d off with him for having been duped by the McCanns into allowing them special access to Church facilities. Quite rightly so.

  10. 60
    Dawn Says:

    Thanks I still have much reading to do with this case…having only recently found this forum

  11. 61
    I Don't Believe It Says:

    Dawn –

    I am sure you are right about eye colour. Many women get v. angry with their boyfriends who have no idea what their eye colour is!

    My experience of holiday club staff and (expensive) nursery school staff in the UK make me doubt whether they would have been able to distinguish between children wearing similar clothing if they had the same general features.

  12. 62
    Dawn Says:

    I agree…my own were fairly similar (and 11 months between them)…if one was sick and kept home they regularly called the other the wrong name. Did I read somewhere that another child (4th) shared their bedroom…was this true? And would this help the illusion for the twins (in the dark) that Madeleine was there with them if they woke up and saw a sleeping child in the other bed. (perhaps a night after Madeleine had died and been removed?)

  13. 63
    Taurus Says:

    As I have learned to my cost in another case unless you are trained in what to look for and have been to the exact location it is not something you can see on google earth when a town.
    Try looking at Pamalam website photographs from those who have been there including I.

    Colin shared the same methods as I then some days later. He is now deceased and came from Skipton in Yorkshire. His images are on there too.

  14. 64
    Beverly Says:

    Hello Dawn and I Don’t Believe It – interesting material, and frankly a relief to see this debated -what with all the suppression of debate in the media.

    About the priest – I do recall reading that, after some weeks, it is alleged that the priest at the local church changed his whole demeanour and behaviour – from an outgoing man in touch with all his parishioners, to something of a virtual recluse who shut himself away. It was reported that his whole personality had changed; he was no longer the man he had been. It was also alleged that he said “I have been deceived.” I cannot give a ref. but I did read it.

    Re the twins sleeping through: I have read that the McCs allegedly declined to have the twins tested for medication (a hair test), waited six months and then, after haircuts, had the test, which was then negative. I have never seen this followed up in the reports. KM was apparently also trained in anaesthetics, and I have not seen this debated either.

    From the evidence of the sniffer dogs someone died in apartment 5a – blood was spilled and cleaned up, and a cadaver was held in the apartment, with alleged traces in the lounge, bedroom, wardrobe, and on the patio stairs.

    I have read here before (I think from Administrator) that possibly the timeline is very different to the one we have been given – possibly relating to the crying that Mrs. Fenn heard (on the night of 1 or 2 May?) – and with time taken afterwards to decide as a group what to do. That feels credible.

    One other point: the distance of the tapas bar from the apartment. Even up to last week, the D. Express in the UK was full of contradictions: in their written article, the bar was nearby; nothing odd in parents dining there. In the map produced, however, the bar is shown at the other side of the swimming pool, and there is no view at all of the apartment from that point. It was absolutely NOT “like dining in our back garden”. Impossible to understand how a supposedly intelligent group of young-ish parents did not set up tables and chairs on the patio of 5a, buy food in from the tapas bar, as many bottles as they wanted, and stay near to their children. Can anyone imagine leaving three children under the age of four in an unlocked, darkened apartment for hours alone every night, just to have a wretched “meal” with friends. It beggars belief. I can’t believe that the media could be THAT naive as to swallow this, and the distance of the tapas bar from the apartment – but they appear to have done so. Maybe there is more yet to understand and emerge about media behaviour. I sincerely hope so.

  15. 65
    Beverly Says:

    Re: “They’ve taken her ..”. It is alleged that KM was heard to cry this out at the discovery. But it does not make any sense to me at all. At the first traumatic discovery of a child missing at night, surely the first terrified impulse and panic for a mother would be: “I can’t find Maddie .. I can’t find her .. she’s not here ..”.

    I don’t see how the mind of a terribly distressed and frightened mother would find the words “They’ve taken her ..” in such a desperate situation – unless it was a comment that burst out because “taking her” had been pre-arranged; that is – a removal had been pre-arranged – and then see – look at the horror of it – it has been done. Only my thoughts but it has never added up.

  16. 66
    Roy Exeter Says:

    Hi everyone, i hope you dont mind me joining in, only because i, like the rest of you, want this sorted out, and hopefully to a nice favourable conclusion,
    where maddie is found!!!!.

    i’m sure all this has already been thought of, but i’ll raise these points just the same.

    I have a few thoughts, which might stir a few more questions, because this case MUST be solved,
    even if it takes many lifetimes. this can not be ignored, or simply swept under the carpet.
    we can not let this go away. we must keep pestering anyone, and everyone involved.

    I am no expert, but if maddie was still alive, wouldn’t she have been found by now.
    its usually the case, isn’t it?.

    am i right in thinking that she would be about 8 years old now?.
    going by that, my point is this…maddie’s picture has been all over the worlds t’vs, and newspapers. for the last few years one couldn’t, or still cant in many places go anywhere without seeing a picture of maddie’s sweet face.
    surely now at 8, she watches tv, wouldn’t she have recognised herself by now?, and innocently asked a few childish questions!?…you know what kids are like…its what i would have done.
    what about teachers!, surely if alive, she would attend school somewhere!.
    even if she was hidden and had private tutors, especially if she is living with a rich family.
    money talks, and can help to hide, or even disguise people….why not maddie too?.

    if not that, what about her new neighbours…if shes alive, she must live somewhere in this world.
    surely the arrival of a strange new child, with all the many pictures about, would have raised a few red flags. not many people are blind to this case, if any at all.
    surely someone somewhere would have added up 2 and 2, and made 5 by now…if maddie was alive!.

    if Maddie died by accident.
    why didn’t the parents, just say so at the time?.
    innocent accidents happen all the time. we’ve all read about them, it is not nice to be reminded, but kids do die in accidents!.
    and if it was an accident, by doing it this way, the parents have made rods for their own backs.
    no one likes hearing about children dying,and it would have been heart breaking to report it, but it would have saved them an awfull lot of anguish.
    also, by doing it this way, they have forever kept themselves in the spotlight.
    untill this is sorted out, their lives will never be at peace, and out of the public eye, and away from the wagging fingers, innocent or not.

    i will just leave you with this question…..for now. (i will be back!)
    this is one of my bug bears for this whole case, it might seem trivial to you,
    so please forgive me, i just want what is best for maddie, therefore i dont care how stupid this might seem.
    if it was all about abduction, ie abducting children….
    then why not take the twins also?.or instead?.

    is it just me, but something, somewhere just dosent add up!.

    i hope this child is found alive, but with each day!, week!!, month!!!, year even that passes!,
    i fear the worst scenario of all..
    maddie is dead, and has been at least since that particular night.

    i would love to be proved wrong.

    so come on you police, you investigators….investigate!!!, do your job.
    turn/kick over every stone, and if people get in your way, kick them out of the way also.
    any red tape…cut it in half. there is only one thing that matters in this case…….
    MADDIE.

    like i said earlier, this case must be solved one way or the other, even if it is to prevent yet another child going missing in the same way.

    i hope i have made some sense here, perhaps what i have said means nothing, but with all of our thoughts working together collectively and perhaps added to mine, it could mean something.

    hopefully some clever detectives out there, will eventually pull their fingers out, by putting it all together.
    thankyou for letting me join in.

    IF MADDIE IS NOT DEAD……..WHERE IS SHE?.

    take care
    Roy Exeter.

  17. 67
    I Don't Believe It! Says:

    Hi Roy –

    Some observations on yours:

    1. There is no reason to think, if Maddie really was abducted, that she would have been found by now. There have been a number of cases in recent years of people behing kidnapped in childhood and held in seclusion until adulthood. However, there are not many cases of young children being kidnapped at such a young age and not harmed. That is very unusual – possibly unpredecented (not that you’ll ever hear the McCanns admit that).

    2. Some people have speculated that if a professional couple’s child had died accidentally they might well have covered up the fact if the child had been given some sort of sedative and had been effectively abandoned in the evenings along with her siblings. Of course, no one has proof of this.
    But in such circumstances a professional couple would know they faced vilification in the press, the possible end of their careers (for improper use of medication), prosecution for child abandonment and loss of the siblings on return to UK. So it is not an unreasonable hypothesis for the police to consider.

    3. A single abductor might not have felt able to take away three children at once, assuming they wished to – which would not be a given.

    4. The case is baffling from many angles. However if you accept the evidence of the cadaver dogs, you accept she is dead.

  18. 68
    Dawn Says:

    Hi Roy, You make an interesting point about the present Madeleine (if she is still alive. Let us presume for a moment she is, and living with a family ‘somewhere’!) Sometime soon as the years go on she will start to find out about this case….. She may even, once 18, decide to have a DNA test on herself…not so wild an idea…adopted kids have done this (including my step-granddaughter) to try and trace their birth family when their adoptive parents are reticent to give information.

    Also, at the time, with all the hue and cry, if a child suddenly ‘appeared in a family aged almost 4’, folk ‘notice’…! All the new family members, adult siblings, cousins, aunt’s etc., would be wondering and questioning!! If someone in my communtiy ‘suddenly had a 4 year old’ and it coincided with a large nedia circus…I would wonder where that 4 year old came from? If I suddenly had a four year old…..all my neighbours tongues would be wagging…and IF this coincided with an abduction I have no doubt the police would be on my doorstep pretty quick…and quite right too!!

    The point I’m making is that Madeleins family (and their Tapas friends) HAD to know Madeleine was dead….yes, some of you will say that my points are the very reason they had a media circus…so ‘someone would notice’ and Madeleine would be found and returned.

    This would only hold water if the McCanns followed it up by physically looking themselves…which they didn’t. When ‘sitings of Madeleine were noted around the world…where were the McCanns…with the Pope, fundraising etc., NOT on the next plane to see the ‘sitings of Madeleine’ for themselves!! To see if it really was their precious daughter……

    Anyways just further musings. Thanks Roy……

  19. 69
    sophie Says:

    I believe that the Mccanns are involved in something of a more sinister nature, and something went down in that apartment that night that was pre arranged with an unexpected outcome. Hence the surprised outburst by kate “they have taken her”. The Mccanns conveniently left the door opened so that this person/s could enter and exit without being noticed. This “visitor” could have easily been mistaken for one of the tapas members, because there was a lot of movement to and from the apartment that night.

    According to Kate’s statement she said “ we failed her”. Why would she think that they failed her? Unless it was not part of the agreement to remove her from the apartment by whomsoever visited the apartment that night. Gerry’s regret was that “he was not there when she – Maddie was taken”.

    Regarding the fighting fund. I have always believed that the money was used to pay someone off. They may have used the funds to pay off someone who knows what went down that night. Someone who has full knowledge of where Maddie is and who is using that to extort money from the Mccanns. Why else would the Mccanns insist that Scotland Yard get involved or that the case be reopened if Maddie was no longer alive?

    So many children go missing every day and not a squeak is heard about it on the news. Instead we were flooded with press and media coverage sympathetic to the Mccanns. How is it that two doctors from a tiny town – Rothley , has all of these connections from the media, the Prime Minister and other key politicians, the Royal Family, celebrities etc? Why were the Mccanns give such special treatment even though it was their own blatant disregard for the safety of their children that led to the disappearance of their child?

  20. 70
    Roy Exeter Says:

    hi everyone, and thanks for conversing with me on this dawn.
    i have been thinking about this all day long, and i have come up with another theory,
    which might have been mentioned before, but as of yet i havent seen anything along these new lines of me. let me run it by you, then please tell me what you think

    correct me if i am wrong, but isnt there something written, that maddie’s mum kate say something like…”she is safe with another family”…please feel free to tell me exactly what she said, but i dont think i am far wrong.
    my point to this is, how would she know this?
    which draconian though it seems, gives rise to this next thought of mine.
    i dont know how else to water it down, so i’ll just come right out with it.
    did she sell her daughter?.

    i have read about kids being sold into prostitution.
    sorry people, i know it sounds utterly fantastic, but everything, no matter how wild has got to be explored.

    thing is, as draconian as i sound, if i was right about this, it would be in some ways good,
    meaning MADDIE IS STILL ALIVE…meaning MADDIE CAN BE FOUND…she is still out there.

    perhaps the police were on to a child selling ring, and if that was the case, then i bet maddie wasn’t the first, nor will she be the last, unless the police can smash it apart.
    didn’t i also see something about another little child that went missing in that same country, about 2 years before…if so…could this be linked.

    if you can see a map about that part of that country, though i’m no expert, there seem to be an awful lot of different ways out, borders, sea ways, cheap flights etc, etc, so…is my child selling theory that proposterous.

    the clues are all there.
    for me the patio doors is going to hang them the most.
    and if that was the father carrying maddie(dead)…..where did he take her?.
    where could he bury her.
    i read somewhere, someone said under some rocks,
    surely, but with respect sir, a cadaver dog, trained in this field would have found her by now.
    i have heard it said, that one sure fire way of getting rid of a corpse, especially a childs, would be to feed her to the pigs…i know it sounds terrible, and i hate saying it, i am just trying to help. either way, she has to be found, be it alive (hopefully!), or as suspected…dead.
    yes her body has to be found, and brought back home, and justice has to prevail…at least for maddie.
    what should happen, (it wont!)is for the whole world to club together, ie with money and stuf and bring in the worlds best and hardest detectives, and phycologists,people who dont take prisoners, and give them all cart blanc, so they can be free to do whatever it takes to get and extract any infomation we need, even to the point of torture if need be, and all they do is rubbed their heads together, and focus whole heartedly on this, untill alive, or dead, she is found.

    yeah, there i go again..with my draconian talk, but sometimes desperate messures also require desperate remedys.
    like i said in another post, this can not be allowed to turn into one of those never ending conspiracy theories. at the moment it has only been 4 years, the longer this goes on, the harder it is going to be for the favourable outcome, that we all want.

    i will leave this here for now, and look forward to your valuable coments and input.

    i reckon we are all closer to the real truth, then what we think.
    i have got a funny feeling that this is going to be solved very soon.
    i can almost hear the prison doors slamming shut….can you?.
    god help them if they are lying…huh!.

    i have nothing to gain from these posts, i am just the normal working guy in the street.
    at first i too swallowed the abduction bit, untill i wised up and started reading.
    bottom line….they are doctors, and doctors wouldn’t do such terrible things….

    yeah right, i bet they said that about doctor crippen to.

    i’d like to thank the people whom brought the forum part to this site, and please untill maddie is found either way…keep it going, because by doing this, i feel like i am helping in some way, and i am not completly useless after all.

    thankyou everyone….and keep asking your questions.
    who knows, one day one of you, perhaps me, will hit the right key.

    take care
    Roy Exeter

  21. 71
    sophie Says:

    I admire your optimism. But sadly i fear that this case would never be solved for one simple fact: For reasons unknown, the McCanns are protected by some very powerful people. If they were not , then this case would have been solved from the very beginning. There would not have been any Tapas pact, or the refusal by the McCanns to answer the questions of the Portugese police and the many inconsistencies in their stories would have seen them behind bars a long long time ago.
    This case bears striking similarities to another unsolved mystery -the Jon Bennett murder.

  22. 72
    sophie Says:

    Roy:
    I admire your optimism. But sadly i fear that this case would never be solved for one simple fact: For reasons unknown, the McCanns are protected by some very powerful people. If they were not , then this case would have been solved from the very beginning. There would not have been any Tapas pact, or the refusal by the McCanns to answer the questions of the Portugese police and the many inconsistencies in their stories would have seen them behind bars a long long time ago.
    This case bears striking similarities to another unsolved mystery -the Jon Bennett murder.

  23. 73
    Roy Exeter Says:

    hi everyone, and thanks for conversing with me on this dawn.
    i have been thinking about this all day long, and i have come up with another theory,
    which might have been mentioned before, but as of yet i havent seen anything along these new lines of mine. let me run it by you, then please tell me what you think.

    correct me if i am wrong, but isnt there something written, that maddie’s mum kate said something like…”she is safe with another family”…please feel free to tell me exactly what she said, but i dont think i am far wrong.
    my point to this is, how would she know this?
    and “they’ve taken her!”…fogive my ignorance, but who are “THEY!”?.
    DONT “THEY” MEAN, MORE THEN ONE?.
    again,same question……how could she know this?.
    which draconian though it seems, gives rise to this next thought of mine.
    i dont know how else to water it down, so i’ll just come right out with it.
    did she sell her daughter?.

    i have read about kids being sold into prostitution.
    sorry people, i know it sounds utterly fantastic, but everything, no matter how wild has got to be explored.

    thing is, as draconian as i sound, if i was right about this, it would be in some ways good,
    meaning MADDIE IS STILL ALIVE…meaning MADDIE CAN BE FOUND…she is still out there.

    perhaps the police were on to a child selling ring, and if that was the case, then i bet maddie wasn’t the first, nor will she be the last, unless the police can smash it apart.

    didn’t i also see something about another little child that went missing in that same country, about 2 years before…if so…could this be linked.

    if you can see a map about that part of that country, though i’m no expert, there seems to be an awful lot of different ways out, borders, sea ways, cheap flights etc, etc, so…is my child selling theory that proposterous?.

    the clues are all there.
    for me the patio doors is going to hang them the most.
    they should speak to the patio door designers….they would know the difference between the 2 stories…wouldn’t they!?.

    and if that was the father carrying maddie(dead)…..where did he take her?.
    where could he bury her.
    i am sure that i read somewhere on here,that someone said under some rocks.
    surely, but with respect sir, a cadaver dog, trained in this field would have found her by now.
    that is what they do, and they are seldom wrong.

    also, i have heard it said, that one sure fire way of getting rid of a corpse, especially a childs, would be to feed her to the pigs.apparently they’d eat the lot, bones an all, and a childs bones, would be no problem at all.
    i know it sounds terrible, and i hate saying it, i am just trying to help. either way, she has to be found, be it alive (hopefully!), or as suspected…dead.

    yes her body has to be found, and brought back home, and justice has to prevail…at least for maddie.

    i would like to think that even as i write this, she is still being investigated.

    whati think should happen, (it wont!)is for the whole world to club together, ie with money and stuff and bring in the worlds best and hardest detectives, and phycologists,people who dont take prisoners, and give them all cart blanc, so they can be free to do whatever it takes to get and extract any infomation they need, even to the point of torture if need be, and all they do is rubbed their heads together, and focus whole heartedly on this, untill alive, or dead, she is found.

    yeah, there i go again..with my draconian talk, but sometimes desperate messures also require desperate remedies.

    like i said in another post, this can not be allowed to turn into one of those never ending conspiracy theories. at the moment it has only been 4 years, the longer this goes on, the harder it is going to be for the favourable outcome, that we all want.

    i will leave this here for now, and look forward to your valuable coments and input.

    i reckon we are all closer to the real truth, then what we think.

    i have got a funny feeling that this is going to be solved very soon.
    i can almost hear the prison doors slamming shut….can you?.
    god help them if they are lying…huh!.

    i am not a police man, or anything special, and i have nothing to gain from these posts,
    i am just the normal working guy in the street…..one who cares!!!.

    at first i too swallowed the abduction bit, untill i wised up and started reading.
    bottom line….they are doctors, and doctors wouldn’t do such terrible things….would they!?.

    yeah right, i bet they said that about doctor crippen to.

    i’d like to thank the people whom brought the forum part to this site, and please untill maddie is found either way…keep it going, because by doing this, i feel like i am helping in some way.

    thankyou everyone….and keep asking your questions.
    who knows, one day one of you, perhaps me, will hit the right key.

    take care
    Roy Exeter

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    I Don't Believe It! Says:

    I tend to agree with you Sophie. Beginning with the way that Gordon Brown – who at the time was a Chancellor of the Exchequer (not Prime Minister, Foreign Secretary, Justice Minister or even their local MP)- flung his influence upon this case, it is seems to have been characterised by important people doing the McCanns a favour. Another outrageous instance was the way Mrs Justice Hogg declared them innocent in court even before the Portugese prosecutor had given his view of the evidence. And the fact that a (secret, originally) injunction had been passed requiring all official agencies to co-operate with them, even while they were criminal suspects in Portugal really tops it!

    They won’t be undermined by Scotland Yard or the Government. The only possibility of advance I would say will come from Portugal or maybe a writer from America producing a hard-hitting book.

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    Dawn Says:

    Hi Roy, and others, Roy, I’m new on this forum too…very new, only been writing a few days since finding this forum…! (But thinking about this for years!) Perhaps you could read through previous posters on this forum (as I have done) and scroll to the top and to your right you will see a few headings, in red, with some other forum/articles too. I have read lots, (I’m sure you have too) but some of your queries may be answered in your readings and personal musings….) I don’t have many answers to the questions you have…but I’m sure others here do have….or at least plausible theories too

    What I will say is that many, many of us (I would not like to estimate the quantity!), on these pages and elsewhere online are completely OUTRAGED at the McCanns and what has happen to Madeleine!. The arrogance of those involved, and all the Tapas 7 or 9 (or whatever), and all of those who seem to us to be protecting them…..all of them….at the expense of Madeleine, maybe the twins and maybe the children of the Tapas group too!

    There is too much that is being covered up, too many lies and it stinks. Too many know too much and they are all protecting A$$*$ (Sorry folk about my inuendo!). We all want to get to the bottom of this AND we ALL WANT the TRUTH EXPOSED AND JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE!

    Your theories are no more outlandish and than anyone elses IF you can back up your theories with information that you read here or elsewhere. What is true about your theories is that any one of your theories COULD HAVE HAPPENED. SADLY, ONE OF THEM DID!

    With enough theories, perhaps one of those who has been investigating officially will find that this forum gives them just the tiniest idea to piece it all together AND THEN THE CONFIDENCE to bring it forward and follow it through…..

    Keep looking, please Roy, and learning, and pondering, and getting involved. We can work at this together…..for Madeleine. (Because, such as heck, her family are not going to! ) Thanks…..

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    thanks dawn and sophie.
    sophie first, i fear that you are absolutly spot on.
    it shouldn’t be like that…a crime has been commited here,
    weather its neglect, after perhaps one day finding maddie live, or man’slaughter, or perhaps murder.
    we must keep going on about this, forever, if need be. untill this is solved either with help from people like us, or by the law, this must never be allowed to simply be forgotten about.
    it just cant go away.
    they probably think (wrongly!) that if they leave it long enough, we’ll all get bored, and move on.
    (if they think that, then they know nothing about us!)
    but if we do that, where will justice come from for maddie?.
    they call people like us evil, but we’re not, its because we care we are doing it.
    and if we are evil, then what do you call parents who leave their kids home alone?.
    what do you call parents who cant even be bothered to go and look, even whilst the rest of the folk are out looking.
    i watched the doc earlier on, “maddie was here”.
    yes,mum looks good, dosent look like a conspiritor, but she has had plenty of time to spruce up her act. i remember a time, right after the incident, when she couldn’t even look into the camera.
    did you ever notice that.
    i would love to buy a copy of the policemans book that was banned.
    question is….why was it banned?.
    could it have been, that is was alluding too close for comfort too the truth.
    i notice her book madeliene hasn’t been banned.
    she is going to make money out of us, because she knows damn well, that us so called evil people will buy it. is this what this had all been about…..money?.
    sorry, but you’ve got to ask it, havent you?.
    i bet, they will be a lot richer now, then they ever were before maddie disapeared.
    should pay for some more holidays then…eh.
    one of these days, it might get too much for her….she’ll crack.
    people say it was an accident, well fine, then why cant she just for once tell the truth, like she should have done from the start…but i have a problem with this accident theory.
    blood was found, wasn’t it?….maddies blood…not just in one place ie 5a, but in a vehicle a while afterwards….which gives me another theory.
    possible scenario…probably wrong, and i make no apologies for saying it.

    lets just say that they were all about to go out to this tapas place for a meal.
    maddie played up..as kids often do, because she wanted to go too.
    apparently the table had been book…but just as they were going out, maddie threw a wobbly
    and decided that she wasn’t going to be a good girl and go too boring bed.
    there was an altercation…mum lost her temper,(remember maddie was reported crying none stop for about 70 minutes!)could this had been that child against adult altercation?. and in a blind one second fit of rage, she shook maddie, accidentally smashing her head against the wall behind the soafa, or the place where blood was found….maddies blood….it could have happpened this way.
    i mean what mother has had to put up with a kid full of tantrums.
    its not murder, i’m sure she didn’t mean it, but she took a life.
    maddies body suddenly went limp….she was dead.
    oh no….what does kate do now?.
    she has to think of something.
    she calls hubby…naturaly he is upset,who wouldn’t be but he loves his wife, and knows what the implications would mean.
    so…here begins operation cover up.
    someone simular to him is seen carrying what looks like a child…
    being wealthy doctors, did they have another unknown place in that area.
    perhaps they did….and it had a freezer.
    what better place to keep a body, untill they can calm down, get their stories right, whilst they think about how to despose of maddie.
    a little while later, instead of burying her, where a cadaver dog would find her, why not at sea.
    he was a doctor, he would know how to cut open someone..so whoes to say that he didn’t cut her open, and weigh her down with rocks, long enough for the sharks etc to finish her off!!.
    there i go being all draconion again….i dont apologies.
    ok..if i’m wrong…..prove me wrong….i would love to be wrong!.
    i think every one of us on this site, would love to also be wrong.
    but remember what i alluded to in another past post of mine…every single avenue must be checked, no matter how terrible it sounds, or even how miniscule and trivial.
    if we dont do things like this, we wouldn’t be doing right by maddie.

    am i really so wrong?. and if so….how wrong am i?.
    indeed…how close am i, and the rest of us here to being right?.

    i am with you…it stinks
    its bad enough anyone being killed under strange circumstances, but this is/was a beautiful innocent child. it almost makes a grown man want to cry when you look at that pretty face, with her beautiful blond hair trailing like a little madam off the top of her tiny scalp.
    yeah….something stinks alright.
    lies and dishonestly always stink….dont you think.

    i’ll leave it here for now.
    we’ll speak again, and we will keep speaking untill some bright spark of a detective gets his head out of the sand, and solves this.
    come on police….we are all behind you on this.

    thankyou for your time
    take care
    Roy Exeter

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    the more i read about this, and i have read loads, the thicker and thicker the plot gets, and from what i can see, does the MCcann family no favours at all.
    i have read many conspiracy theories on lots of different incidents, but this one must never end up as just a conspiracy theory, for people to muse over in years to come.
    i have read them all, and have secretly decypered most of them, going by the facts and clues given.
    but the maddie story is different.
    we are talking about a little innocent girl here. there are so many inconcistencies.
    i want maddie to be alive, but with everything i have read so far….i still fear the worst.
    it must never be another oswald, jfk thing, not another Elvis dead or a live thing, or another Paul Macartney dead or alive thing.
    this has got to have an answer to it.

    among the many things that bothers me about this.
    i reckon most mothers would say this to,
    what parent, or self respecting mother would happily go out, and leave their children all alone, especially in a foriegn country on holiday, irrespective if they usually trusted the resort or not.
    it dosent matter how close you might be eating, they are still alone.
    and whilst alone, anything can happen.
    they could get up, switch on a cooker or something, pull a hot kettle over themselves, or even get kidnapped and killed. these are suppose to be doctors. i mean who could trust a doctor who would do a thing like that.
    bottom line folks….YOU DO NOT GO OUT, AND LEAVE YOUR KIDS HOME ALONE, OR ANYWHERE ALONE.
    even i know that, and i’m only a mere bloke.
    most women i know, wouldn’t go anywhere too far from her kids, unless at least she had a baby sitter, else most women would entertain such a ludicrous notion.

    i am right arn’t i ladies?.

    just supposin (which would be nice!) that maddie was found alive an well, even after all these years, would she still be allowed to go back to her original parents again?.
    i have heard about lots of cases where children get taken away into care, because of parents doing the very same thing…so why are the rules different for maddie’s parents.
    is it because being doctors, they can knowingly work the system in their own favour.
    if that is so, isn’t that a tad unfair?.
    or am i just being a mere bloke here, and i dont really understand, or am i absolutely spot on.
    i dont have any kids, i wish i did, and even as a mere bloke, i would never ever leave my kids home alone, not even at home.
    these are the most precious pieces of cargo a human, or any living beast can have.
    could you really, (doctor or not!) put your kids at risk it such a crass way.
    isn’t this a case for neglect?, i am still surprised that they were allowed to keep the twins.
    am i the only one who see’s it this way?.
    you must forgive me, i am only a bloke.

    sorry i have to speak my mind.
    such people, should never be allowed to have children.
    there are lots of women whom would love to have kids, but cant, the sort of people whom would never let her kids down, and i bet there are a few of them now, whom are absolutely p###ed off with these parents.
    i’m no expert, but even i know that being a parent, means just that…you are there to protect them.
    in other words you dont go out leaving them all alone…do you?.
    once you are a mother, your days of clubbing it, drinking, staying out late with your friends, even going out eating and drinking with friends at tapas bars become very limited…you cant have it both ways…you are either a mother, or you are not….which is it?.

    one more thing.
    what about this 4th child!?.
    i have only read bits an pieces about this.
    if it is true, this has got to be looked into too….hasn’t it?.
    it would be rellevent…wouldn’t it?.
    this is very vague at best.
    obviously i am not looking in the right places.
    i want to read a full account of this especially.
    this so called 4th child could be the very key.
    please tell me where to look.

    you all should be congratulated…i love the way you lot are kicking over stones.
    i love the never say die attitude you all seem to have.
    it seems to me that the police are not going to get to the bottom of this, but i reckon with a team collective effort between us….we are.
    i hope they are reading this thurorely, because i bet that the real truth is here within our writings. keep searching you police, because the truth is defanately out there….or here.
    once again, thankyou for letting me join in.

    i only wish it was under better circumstances.
    a little girl is missing, perhaps dead, and that is all that should matter.
    however they get to the truth in the end…..who cares.

    would you do any less for your child.

    take care
    Roy

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    i am sorry, my computer had a rush of blood, and accidentally repeated what i posted, on a different part of this site, perhaps i’m tierd!!,tierd of lies!!.
    so please forgive me if you are reading this again.
    perhaps my computer has a mind of its own, and wants everyone of you to read about what i have to say.
    once again sorry
    take care
    Roy Exeter

  29. 79
    sophie Says:

    I Don’t Believe It!:

    Read the Hollie Greig case. The protection and the power around the McCanns is pretty similar and that’s scary. I know that even if the truth were to be revealed, the McCanns would be shielded. I guess that i like so many of us on this site and around the world really need to know what happened to this sweet child even if it is just for closure.

    Have an absolutely fabulous day everyone!!

  30. 80
    I Don't Believe It! Says:

    This might be of particular help to Roy but everyone I think could benefit from reading Paulo Reiss’s well researched piece reminding us of some salient points in this case which I very much doubt KMC addresses in her bestseller.

    http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2011/04/few-details-worth-remembering-before.html

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    LOOKING FOR MADELIENE…….(are they!!?)

    Personally I think that this is the biggest conspiracy ever, especially in our immediate life time. I wonder how it will have been read about, in say…100 years time!.
    Would history say that Maddie was found?.
    or would it be….what we all fear the most?.

    I read somewhere, (I am sure!) that One particular detective, or investigator, be it a private one…whatever!, that Maddie is alive, (well, that is great news!) and also knows not only where she is, but who has got her….well that is equally as brilliant, isn‘t it,…
    if it is true.
    I have always believed, that the proof of any boast, is in eating the pudding.
    Well, if this is indeed true, and is not Bull-Shit, then the response to this is simple, even for a humble poorly paid layman like myself….ie,

    “GO OUT AND GET HER, AND BRING HER HOME!”

    Kick down doors, Use guns if you have to, even if it means taken whomever has got her out…ie killing them. I know it sounds harsh, but I’m sure most of you would agree, that the time of kid gloves is over with.
    No one is going to mourn for him or her, (yes, I said her!, any avenue, remember!)
    No one is going to miss One less dirty pedo in the world….good riddance.
    Sometimes, one has to be cruel, to be kind!.

    The longer it goes on, the harder it might be to find her, especially if she is still alive.
    And if she is still alive, whom is to say, that the people who have her, haven’t changed her appearance…ie perhaps the colour of her hair, or perhaps cut it all off!, I mean what lengths wouldn‘t they go to, to keep a child, that they shouldn‘t have.
    Perhaps they have disguised her as…a boy!!! .
    Who is going to question that?.
    It is not as though adults can search kids….especially these days.
    Teachers, or any adults, have to be very careful, where they put their hands on children, and rightly so to!. Maddie, being a little child, would probably innocently think of dressing up in this way as a game!. Most kids love dressing up, and pretend games…didn’t you?.

    In other words….whatever it takes to get Maddie back.

    Again if this boast is not just hot air, why does it appear that he is kicking his heals
    Has he been stopped?…if so…by whom?…isn’t it in all of our interests for Maddie to be found……now, sooner then later?.
    That so called investigator would be a hero, wouldn’t he?.
    Indeed he could write his own books, and be set up for life…and good luck to him!.
    If he is not Bull-Shitting us…..why don’t he prove it?.

    What is our coalition doing, I would have thought that Mr Cameron especially having kids of his own, would want the same things as us.
    Perhaps it is, but from where I am standing, nothing else seems to be getting done.
    I wonder if Mr Cameron would be dithering if it was One of his children…perish the thought.

    Come on, I’m calling your bluff, fulfil your boast…. Bring Maddie home, or at least to an appropriate adult who would care about her. That’s if there is such a thing for Maddie.
    Right now, I have my doubts.

    Most mothers that I have spoken to, say they would never have gone home, and that they would still be out there now, even if their money ran out, they would live under a rock if they had to, eat off the beach, out of trash cans…so if she cares as much as she purports, then why isn’t she out there? Yes it would be a hardship, but what is Maddie‘s life like at the moment?
    Could she be somewhere alive, crying for her mum, whom is somewhere living off the proceeds of her newly published book?.
    Shame on her!.
    I know they have 2 other children, but surely with dad having to work, (or perhaps he doesn’t now!) relatives would be on hand to look after them, considering the circumstances, and, as I have hinted, Its not as if she, or either of them cant afford it….especially with the new book out…

    ”Madeliene!”

    I tried to buy that today, but it is £15.…but my principles say, that I am not about to help make someone I am not sure that I like….. rich,
    and all this at the expense of Maddie to!.

    I would love to read it.

    Wouldn’t it be great especially for paupers like myself, if the proprietors of this brilliant informative site could post it, or perhaps put relevant extracts from it on here.
    But I suppose if they did that, poor mum wouldn’t make any money, and might not be able to dine at the Tapas bar very much, any more….
    oh no…how my heart bleeds!.

    another thing that bugs me!!!
    with all the boasted technology out there at our disposal, how is it, in this day an age, we cant find just One little Girl, be it dead or alive?.
    They found the Titanic that sunk almost a century ago, (1912!)
    Maddie has only been missing for Four years…
    Perhaps we should get the Titanic’s finders to look for her!.
    I have only just thought about that off the top of my head, and I must say, what a brilliant idea, even for me, a humble layman to come up with.

    It is hard to comprehend that something as appalling as this could happen…but sadly, alas I am afraid to say…it does….as a human race, we don’t seem to have learnt anything…
    What say you?.

    ps….
    i am so glad that i found this site, because believe me, i am not done yet.
    watch this space

    thank you

    Take care
    Roy Exeter

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    The strange tale of Robert Murat!.

    thank you I don’t believe it for your link.

    I have been reading the early stages of the above, ie the strange tale of Robert Murat.
    there is so much of it!.
    I have already got problems, and I am only a little way through, with still tons more to read..
    Please understand, that I am not just willy nilly making things up, that are not there, all I have got, is what I am reading in front of me.

    For instance. Miss Tanners evidence is, questionable to say the least.

    It is stated, that She stated that in the early hours of 4 may 2007…alluding to an individual carrying a child wearing pyjamas…correct!!!!?.
    Question…..Why in the early hours?, wasn’t it suppose to be at night?. I am confused!.
    Night comes before the “early hours”, doesn’t it, even in portugal?.

    So what is it…early hours, or the night before?.

    When asked to describe this person, apparently she couldn’t!, because it was dark.
    And here lies another problem…(at least it is with me.)

    How could she be able to tell if the person being carried was wearing pyjamas in the dark?.
    Why not any other type of clothing?.
    Also in her description, I am sure that she mentions the bottoms were beige!.
    Another problem!!.
    Not that I am an expert in fashion, but wouldn’t beige be hard to tell against the dark?
    Perhaps look black, brown, even grey…anything but beige, surely!.

    i am only mentioning it, because this colour was mentioned in the statement that i read.

    She also mentions they were linen type.
    Aren’t we dealing with specifics now?.
    Surely, unless she knew already, how would she be able to tell that specifically.
    To tell this, surely in the dark, she would have needed to be closer, and to have had a really good look…and if she got that close, surely she would have seen if the child was maddie or not!…..or didn’t she know what maddie looked like?.
    Was she not a friend of the family!?.

    Whom can tell linen type, 5 meters away in the dark?…can anyone.
    Isn’t 5 meters about…16 foot?.
    16 foot, is quite a long way away, especially in the dark.
    Check it out for yourselves…put me right even. I don’t mind….
    if I’m doing this, then I want to be correct.

    Ask yourself this….16 feet away, could you tell flower patterns in the dark.
    Right now I am looking at where I know there is a flower bed, and that is even closer the 16 feet, yet I am finding it hard to see flowers, or even twigs.

    Another problem

    How could she tell if it was a Brown male from the back, if she could only see his long hair?, and more importantly, how on earth would she be able to say weather he wasn’t a tourist or not?
    Wouldn’t that be arrogance, thus pulling assumptions out of the air?.
    Could someone be able to pick a flower design (of her bottoms!) in the dark…and against beige.

    Excuse me for seeming ignorant….
    the artist picture I have seen, looks as if it is in the day time, and the bottoms are plain White…not pink, not beige!!. there is quite a contrast between all 3, isn’t there?.

    Being bothered by this,perhaps with too much time on my hands, I have just conducted a small visual experiment.
    I have a beige coloured folder which I keep some of my paperwork in.
    So I emptied it, and took it outside in the dark with me, and put it somewhere,
    Then I looked at it…..in the darkness, at least from about 16 feet away (5 meters!)
    it looks dark at best, its hard to tell, but it defanately dosen’t look beige!.
    Unless of course, there is another shade of beige, that I don’t know about

    have I missed something.

    Sorry, I’m just trying to establish the real truth…from a supposed eye witness.
    trying to be specific on words.

    I’m sure this lady wasn’t with kate when she would have dressed maddie for bed.
    Could she have been told to say this?.

    (Oh by the way, I am from the old school, and only feel comfortable working in feet and inches, that is all they were teaching us, when I was a child!)
    I have even checked on this with a work colleague, and even he says that 5 feet is about 16 feet.
    I trust his judgement….he is an engineer, he has to know…right!!?.

    How could she be certain that it was a man she saw, from 5 meters away, in the dark.
    heres a thought…….Why not a woman?
    Indeed from the back, in the dark, could this supposed dark hair at the back, be a dark hood…indeed….could that person be Kate,a woman….instead of a man carrying a child?.
    could that also be a possibilty!?.

    the plot as they say….thickens!

    And in that case, perhaps dad had nothing to do with it.!.

    i would be more inclined to believe that he had no knowledge of any of it!.

    Why pick on Robert Murat?

    Is it because he is a convenient target?. how well did they know him?.
    perhaps he is well known around there, because he often looks weired, or perhaps that is just the way he is……and perhaps he really is innocent!.
    I am sure that it is mentioned that he had long strands of hair covering his face.
    but she says, she was looking at the back of him.

    another problem!.

    If she is looking from the back….
    Question…..how can she see his face, covered by dark strands of hair….in the dark.
    From the back?.

    In the pictures I have seen of him, he has nice well groomed short back an sides hair.
    Therefore, why of all people, would she pick him out?……it was dark wasn’t it?.
    was he another oswald!!?….another patsy?.

    As you can see, I have given this a lot of thought.
    like I have said, all I have got, is what is in front of me.

    That is all I have read so far.

    I will leave you with this thought, for now

    Does the term digging yourself deeper into the shit….apply here?.

    All these clues that has been written, and pointed out by you great people, cant all be coincidence…can they?.
    Perhaps the odd one by itself?….but all of them!!!!!!!!!?.

    Like one of the name sake posters on here….I don’t believe it…….either!.

    Again, I hope I have made sense here.
    Please point out if I have missed something

    Once again, thank you for your time, and indulgence.

    Take care
    Roy Exeter

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    LOOKING FOR MADELIENE…….(are they!!?)

    Personally I think that this is the biggest conspiracy ever, especially in our immediate life time. I wonder how it will have been read about, in say…100 years time!.
    Would history say that Maddie was found?.
    or would it be….what we all fear the most?.

    I read somewhere, (I am sure!) that One particular detective, or investigator, be it a private one…whatever!, that Maddie is alive, (well, that is great news!) and also knows not only where she is, but who has got her….well that is equally as brilliant, isn‘t it,…
    if it is true.
    I have always believed, that the proof of any boast, is in eating the pudding.
    Well, if this is indeed true, and is not Bull-Shit, then the response to this is simple, even for a humble poorly paid layman like myself….ie,

    “GO OUT AND GET HER, AND BRING HER HOME!”

    Kick down doors, Use guns if you have to, even if it means taken whomever has got her out…ie killing them. I know it sounds harsh, but I’m sure most of you would agree, that the time of kid gloves is over with.
    No one is going to mourn for him or her, (yes, I said her!, any avenue, remember!)
    No one is going to miss One less dirty pedo in the world….good riddance.
    Sometimes, one has to be cruel, to be kind!.

    The longer it goes on, the harder it might be to find her, especially if she is still alive.
    And if she is still alive, whom is to say, that the people who have her, haven’t changed her appearance…ie perhaps the colour of her hair, or perhaps cut it all off!, I mean what lengths wouldn‘t they go to, to keep a child, that they shouldn‘t have.
    Perhaps they have disguised her as…a boy!!! .
    Who is going to question that?.
    It is not as though adults can search kids….especially these days.
    Teachers, or any adults, have to be very careful, where they put their hands on children, and rightly so to!. Maddie, being a little child, would probably innocently think of dressing up in this way as a game!. Most kids love dressing up, and pretend games…didn’t you?.

    In other words….whatever it takes to get Maddie back.

    Again if this boast is not just hot air, why does it appear that he is kicking his heals
    Has he been stopped?…if so…by whom?…isn’t it in all of our interests for Maddie to be found……now, sooner then later?.
    That so called investigator would be a hero, wouldn’t he?.
    Indeed he could write his own books, and be set up for life…and good luck to him!.
    If he is not Bull-Shitting us…..why don’t he prove it?.

    What is our coalition doing, I would have thought that Mr Cameron especially having kids of his own, would want the same things as us.
    Perhaps it is, but from where I am standing, nothing else seems to be getting done.
    I wonder if Mr Cameron would be dithering if it was One of his children…perish the thought.

    Come on, I’m calling your bluff, fulfil your boast…. Bring Maddie home, or at least to an appropriate adult who would care about her. That’s if there is such a thing for Maddie.
    Right now, I have my doubts.

    Most mothers that I have spoken to, say they would never have gone home, and that they would still be out there now, even if their money ran out, they would live under a rock if they had to, eat off the beach, out of trash cans…so if she cares as much as she purports, then why isn’t she out there? Yes it would be a hardship, but what is Maddie‘s life like at the moment?
    Could she be somewhere alive, crying for her mum, whom is somewhere living off the proceeds of her newly published book?.
    Shame on her!.
    I know they have 2 other children, but surely with dad having to work, (or perhaps he doesn’t now!) relatives would be on hand to look after them, considering the circumstances, and, as I have hinted, Its not as if she, or either of them cant afford it….especially with the new book out…

    ”Madeliene!”

    I tried to buy that today, but it is £15.…but my principles say, that I am not about to help make someone I am not sure that I like….. rich,
    and all this at the expense of Maddie to!.

    I would love to read it.

    Wouldn’t it be great especially for paupers like myself, if the proprietors of this brilliant informative site could post it, or perhaps put relevant extracts from it on here.
    But I suppose if they did that, poor mum wouldn’t make any money, and might not be able to dine at the Tapas bar very much, any more….
    oh no…how my heart bleeds!.

    another thing that bugs me!!!
    with all the boasted technology out there at our disposal, how is it, in this day an age, we cant find just One little Girl, be it dead or alive?.
    They found the Titanic that sunk almost a century ago, (1912!)
    Maddie has only been missing for Four years…
    Perhaps we should get the Titanic’s finders to look for her!.
    I have only just thought about that off the top of my head, and I must say, what a brilliant idea, even for me, a humble layman to come up with.

    It is hard to comprehend that something as appalling as this could happen…but sadly, alas I am afraid to say…it does….as a human race, we don’t seem to have learnt anything…
    What say you?.

    thank you

    Take care
    Roy Exeter

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    Crucial points!

    First of all, please allow me to quote a line, which is something that Kate McCann says in her book…Madeliene.

    “EXACTLY WHERE THEY WERE STANDING, IS NOT CRUCIAL!”

    What a stupid thing to say.
    A little girl is still missing….presumed dead.
    Of course it is crucial, everything about this is crucial, especially if they really want to see Maddie alive again. If she don’t know that, then she cant be a very good mother.
    Wouldn’t it be crucial to get her Daughter Maddie back?.

    I have been scrutinising the so called “Tapas Nine”

    Gerry…
    why would it be important to have a hair cut, and go for a jog, the very day after his daughter goes missing…surely compared to the latter, a hair cut and a jog would be trivial. Plus if not before the fact, surely now after the fact the hairdresser would know if he cut his hair or not…….he must have read all about it by now!.

    My point, why not go and look for Maddie instead?.
    And who would give a damn about their looks or fitness regime, if one’s daughter had only gone missing the night before.
    What doting Father would ever get these kind of priorities wrong?.

    Kate…
    Why not much emotion?.
    Haven’t seen many believable tears!, every mother that I know, wouldn’t be able to stop.
    They would be beside themselves…horrified.

    Why would a child be crying for 18 hours a day…bit excessive wouldn’t you say, unless the child was a teething baby, was Maddie still teething at 4?.

    Dr David Payne…(Egg-Head!!!!!!!)
    A Surgeon would know how to dismember a body!.
    How does he know for certain, that “THEY DIDN’T DO IT!”?.

    Didn’t do what?…….what is this “IT”?.
    What is he alluding to?.
    Is this just a bad choice of words?.

    He also is reported to have said
    “ONE OF OUR PARTY, SAW MADDIE BEING ABDUCTED!”
    How would that party member just had assumed right then that an abduction was in progress?.
    And if that is the case, fearing for the child’s safety, why didn’t that person intervene, thus stopping any abduction from taking place?.
    Most people I know, would have done just that, especially where a child is concerned!.
    That is normal, human nature!.
    And is this saying that that person, ignored this so called incident and walked away?
    That is weird.

    Was this child crying whilst being carried?.

    The word abduction was used, so wouldn’t one assume that a crime was being carried out?, so thinking this, wouldn‘t any right minded person raise the alarm?.
    No mother especially, would just walk away, no matter if the child was one of their’s or not.

    Even as a concerned bystander, wouldn’t you question that right away, especially if you knew it to be a child?.

    Why didn’t Kate use a baby monitor?.
    Fiona Payne used one.
    As Friends, you would have thought they would have all followed suite!.

    Dianne Webster. 1-9=8.
    Apparently she stayed at the Tapas Bar, whilst everyone else, ran back to the compartment!.
    Would everyone, mean……the other 8!?.
    If this is so,
    Would Jane Tanner be one of the 8.?.

    Didn’t she dine with them all?.
    If this is so, how could she had seen the abductor, if she was with everyone else?,
    and if that was the case, then every one else would have seen him, or her, surely.

    8 against one lone abductor…there would be no contest.

    So, did she leave the table, witness the abduction, then go back, without saying anything, then run back to the apartment with everyone else?.
    And only then, say something!!.

    She described an Egg-head shaped person, in the dark…Murat’s head is not Egg-Shaped,
    But David Payne’s head looks slightly that way?….see photo!!!.

    Christ, she must have had a good look to be able to tell this, from 5 meters away, in the dark, perhaps long enough to even be able to save Maddie from being carried away, or at least raise the alarm, and if she was that close, she would probably have been able to see the front of the mans face,
    but oops!!!!!,
    didn’t she say she saw him from the back?.

    Dr Russell O’Brien..
    Why would he lie, about asking the house keeping, to change the bed linen!!!?.
    One faction is lying here.
    If this is a conspiracy, exactly what would be O’Brien’s part be in this?.

    Dr Mathew Oldfield…
    He apparently checked on the McCann children 9.30pm, but he didn’t look to see if Maddie was in bed.
    If he didn’t see Maddie, how could he have been the last person to check on Maddie,

    He didn’t see her!!!!.

    She had been crying for a long time, would she have suddenly stopped conveniently at that time, and if she was crying, surely he would have noticed her then, then presumably gone back and told the parents that Maddie was crying…..again!.

    Perhaps, Maddie wasn’t there at 9.30pm!.
    Perhaps she was gone, before 9.30pm!

    What time did Jane Tanner say that she saw Maddie’s abductor!!!!!!!?

    I am sure it was later then 9.30pm, (unless I have read something wrong!)

    I have scrutinised the Patio doors part, which I am sure you all have.
    Why would they change their story, from going in through the front doors, and then say they went through the Patio doors?.
    Were they drunk!, blind!, how could they not know.?
    They are 2 different entrances aren’t they?, I presume one at the front, ie…front door, and presumably the patio doors would be at ……the back.

    The doors, only lock from the inside.
    Does this mean that these so called responsible people, kept these doors open all day long?. With all of their things, and precious children inside, each time they went out and ate at the Tapas Bar?.

    Surely that is a crime in itself alone!.

    I agree, this makes no sense at all!.
    Does any of it!?.

    Maddie’s last photo.
    How can they prove that this picture was indeed taken on the 3rd of May.?.
    Is there a date stamped on it?/

    It is said, that when Kate looked, she didn’t notice (see) Maddie with Ella.
    And if not, why didn’t she look for her right then.
    Was she not concerned right then?.

    I have read enough today, starting to get tired.

    It still stinks to high heaven.

    So far my summation tells me. (but I will be happy to be wrong!)
    Maddie was gone before the 3rd of May.
    And if that is so, and she wasn’t seen in her bed……where was she really?.

    What is the real honest truth of this terrible event?.

    One last suggestion.
    Perhaps that sighting of a child being carried was on one of the nights before!.
    And all they have done, is brought this abduction story, or lie to the 3rd of May, for some kind of convenience, and they knowingly used this to point the finger at Robert Murat,
    Whom I believe is totally innocent.
    Perhaps they knew he would be in the right place, at the right time, for their concocted web of lies to work?.

    In other words….he was set up to take the fall!.

    Disgusting!!!!!.

    Christ, if you cant trust a Doctor, (especially all those mentioned!) whom can you trust?.
    And we put our lives into these peoples hands, every single day!.

    The quest for Maddie continues!!!!.

    Take care
    Roy Exeter.

  35. 85
    Liz Y Says:

    Sophie, I have followed your advice, and read about the heart-breaking and absolutely horrific, but, sadly, not surprising tale of Holly Greig. I have long suspected paedophilia is at the centre of the disappearance of Madeleine. It explains, somewhat, the level of protection the McCanns command. We really don’t know the half. However, I would probably not have entertained the suggestion, had it not been for the statements of the Gaspars who, to my mind, had no reason to lie, and the total lack of action from the Compo-savvy Payne and Gerry, not a single word from him and his wife via her book. I have tried all the options mentally, but cannot, for the life of me, think of another scenario that answers more of the mysteries, than any other.

    Roy, I’d love to believe Madeleine is safe and well, and she isn’t any danger, but Madeleine is dead, and has been for just over 4 years, I don’t know the date, I don’t know the method, but I do know she’s dead, and I know her beloved parents (who would rather pay the mortgage, trips, top lawyers, PR’s and Spokesmen etc), also know she’s dead. They aren’t bothered about finding

  36. 86
    Dawn Says:

    Hi Post 78 and post 79, ‘Sophie’ and ‘I don’t believe it’. Thanks for the info on Hollie Grieg, and Paulo Reiss es article pages. They are both soo full of information. It just makes Madeleines case even more weird.
    I appreciate you folks pointing me in the direction of more to read as I have only been contributing to this site for about a week.
    Blessings,

    Dawn

  37. 87
    Dawn Says:

    Hi,

    Having read about Hollie and also much more about Madeleine…..the one question that haunts me now is….are the twins in any danger…and the other children on holiday with the group too?

  38. 88
    sophie Says:

    Liz Y:
    “It explains, somewhat, the level of protection the McCanns command. ”

    Yes it certainly does. Two doctors with a group of friends left their kids, all below the age of 3, and went out night after night ina foreign country. They said they were well within view of the apartment block, yet it was discovered that on 2 nights they went to a different venue much further away. They left the door of their apartment opened. Their kid goes missing. The parents are beyond reproach and are projected by the media as being faultless. The media bias was absolutely bizarre to say the least. Celebrities, Media personalities, the Prime Minister, The Royal Family, big business men all threw their support behind the McCanns. They even secured a meeting with the POPE ( remember the catholic church scandals). As far as the Media and everyone else on the McCann’s bandwagon: the McCanns were absolved of any wrong doing. & Do you know why?

    Here’s my take: The McCanns made a deal and this was their payoff – FAME and MONEY.
    Would the truth be known? YES. Sooner or later (and i hope it is sooner), the McCanns would become disillusioned or more demanding and the power that be will not be pleased.

  39. 89
    Dawn Says:

    Hi various posters, I am beginning to see references to the Royal Family…can someone please enlighten me? (I already have a few theories of my own regarding what really happened to Diana!

  40. 90
    sophie Says:

    Dawn:

    Reference The Telegraph 26th May 2007:

    “… Prince Charles and the Duchess of Cornwall also expressed their support for the McCanns. In a statement from Clarence House, the couple said they had been following the case “closely and with deep concern.”

    “….Clarence Mitchell, a spokesman for the family, said: “I can confirm that telephone conversations have taken place between Gerry McCann and Chancellor Gordon Brown. During them, Mr Brown offered both Gerry and Kate his full support ”
    “The future Prime Minister personally spoke to Gerry McCann several times in recent days”

  41. 91
    Liz Y Says:

    Sophie, I agree that the McCanns, (such is their arrogance and petulance), will begin to piss off the whole estabishment in time, if not already. They must be up to their necks in some kind of illicit filth, and able to name names, to have made it thus far. They will, though, sign their own death warrants, because they’re far too pushy, (Gerry is a petty, beligerent, self-centered upstart) and some higher-ups don’t like being pushed too much. They will fall by their own hand, and I personally, can’t wait.
    Roy, As for Jane Tanner, she says she passed Gerry and Jeremy Wilkins, so she knows Gerry has either checked the kids or is just going to. Put yourself in her place, you walk past two people who didn’t see you, then you see a man carrying a child in a blanket (you still have no suspicions), in poor visibility, (bearing in mind you’re going to check your kids). Imagine, nothing on your mind, enjoying your holiday what, WHAT would follow. Would you be able to describe an abdutor who, had beige linen trousers, classic shoes, hair down his neck, AND see that he has child in a blanket across his arms. with the same pyjamas as Madeleine happened to be wearing? Or would it just be a passing glance, the kind you do every day, could you describe the woman who had just walked past you in the street, in such detail? Of course you couldn’t, because the information is not being registered by the brain, it’s not going in, it’s peripheral and unimportant and so, she lied, and a child was dead. Filth!

  42. 92
    Liz Y Says:

    Sophie, You’re absolutely spot on. The MCanns will want more and more, they’re blinded by power and addicted to the attention they are getting, but, one day, they’ll go too far, they’ll expect too much, and it will all come crashing down around them, as you say, sooner rather than later.
    I cannot comprehend the fact that two reasonably learned people, can come up with such puerile answers and explanations, and really believe we’ll accept it, he’s becoming and more like his MP mentors everyday. When Kate appears now she’s got that pained, suffering face on, nothing like the smiley one early on in Madeleine’s disappearance, and Gerry, Ah… Gerry, he’s having a ball, thoroughly enjoying himself, playing to the people. He’s a natural show-off, and he won’t be wrong in anything. Not even, (if their story is true, but it isn’t) being sorry for leaving the kids on their own, but only sorry that he was not there at the exact time that she was taken….WHAT. There is something radically wrong with this couple, they’ve no emotional capacity whatsoever, and no real knowledge of how to treat children. They parked their kids off at every opportunity, didn’t seem to understand how a family holiday works. Too self-centred in the extreme, not at all interested in the kids wellbeing or enjoyment. I have to say I have never come across their type in all my life. Most people you can work out, this pair I cant at all. Selfish, egocentric, petulant, liars.
    Catholic……My arse!

  43. 93
    Liz Y Says:

    Sorry for the double posting, I thought something had gone wrong with the first. I promise not to make another tonight, well perhaps just a little one!

  44. 94
    Roy Exeter Says:

    hi everyone.
    yes i am with all you.
    there are so many unanswered questions…questions that need to be answered, properly, and at the highest of levels.

    here is a thought

    i wonder if the McCann family, or the rest of the tapas group read this site.
    and if they are, and sometimes do….why cant they break their silence and talk to us on here.
    we’re not monsters, we only seek the truth.

    i would hazard a guess, that they do…they must know about these maddie sites, so i would say quite defanately they do…yet they stay quiet.

    they probably hate what i had to say.
    they probably hate us all.
    between you and me, this is one of the reason why i said all the things i said.
    yes, it was slightly imflamatory,purposely designed, to bring them out of the woodwork, from behind that book of hers. as they say, if you cant bring mamma to the mountain, lets bring the mountain to mamma.
    ever since i started posting here, its been hard to sleep.
    all i do is keep thinking…looking at the words, or phrases used.
    then i came up with my idea.
    i wanted to prompt a response…and the best way to find out as much as we can, is to actually talk to the people involved…ie, the McCann family.

    so come on, we are here, we want to help.
    you cant hide behind a book, then sweep it under the carpet.
    nothing you say adds up.
    too many contradictions!.
    it isn’t over, by a long chalk, and i reckon that eventuallly the real truth will come out, and you are going to have to face up to this all over again.

    going by all the things i have read, which are of course the same things that the more educated, switched on detectives can read…i can see this whole sorry can of worms being opened up again.
    and at the moment, the only monsters that i can see, are the McCann parents, and conspiritory tapas 9.
    it is up too you.

    thanks everyone.
    keep it going…you are doing great.

    the quest for maddie’s truth continues!

    take care
    Roy Exeter

    believe it or not you 9, us the Maddie Million plus (MM+…our name! why cant we have a fancy name too?)just want to help.
    and if you are innocent, as you say…fine,lets prove it.
    believe it or not, the MM+ could be the best friends you’ve (the McCann’s) have got.

    if maddie is not dead, then why are you so quiet, accept in your book kate

    Talk to us, perhaps we can come up with a suggestion, or an idea, that you havent thought about.
    it could only take one trivial clue, and if maddie is still alive….she could be back with you.

    accept for the glitzy publication of the “madeliene” novel, oops, i mean book, i havent seen, nor heard of anything else for ages

  45. 95
    Roy Exeter Says:

    hi everyone.
    yes i am with all you.
    there are so many unanswered questions…questions that need to be answered, properly, and at the highest of levels.

    here is a thought

    i wonder if the McCann family, or the rest of the tapas group read this site.
    and if they are, and sometimes do….why cant they break their silence and talk to us on here.
    we’re not monsters, we only seek the truth.

    i would hazard a guess, that they do…they must know about these maddie sites, so i would say quite defanately they do…yet they stay quiet.

    they probably hate what i had to say.
    they probably hate us all.
    between you and me, this is one of the reason why i said all the things i said.
    yes, it was slightly imflamatory,purposely designed, to bring them out of the woodwork, from behind that book of hers. as they say, if you cant bring mamma to the mountain, lets bring the mountain to mamma.
    ever since i started posting here, its been hard to sleep.
    all i do is keep thinking…looking at the words, or phrases used.
    then i came up with my idea.
    i wanted to prompt a response…and the best way to find out as much as we can, is to actually talk to the people involved…ie, the McCann family.

    so come on, we are here, we want to help.
    you cant hide behind a book, then sweep it under the carpet.
    nothing you say adds up.
    too many contradictions!.
    it isn’t over, by a long chalk, and i reckon that eventuallly the real truth will come out, and you are going to have to face up to this all over again.

    going by all the things i have read, which are of course the same things that the more educated, switched on detectives can read…i can see this whole sorry can of worms being opened up again.
    and at the moment, the only monsters that i can see, are the McCann parents, and conspiritory tapas 9.
    it is up too you

    believe it or not you 9, we the Maddie Million plus (MM+…our name! why cant we have a fancy name too?)just want to help.
    and if you are innocent, as you say…fine,lets prove it.
    believe it or not, the MM+ could be the best friends you’ve (the McCann’s) have got.

    if maddie is not dead, then why are you so quiet, accept in your book kate

    Talk to us, perhaps we can come up with a suggestion, or an idea, that you havent thought about.
    it could only take one trivial clue, and if maddie is still alive….she could be back with you.

    accept for the glitzy publication of the “madeliene” novel, oops, i mean book, i havent seen, nor heard of anything else for ages.
    so come on….we dont bite.
    take care
    Roy Exeter

  46. 96
    Liz Y Says:

    Roy, The McCanns don’t just hate us, they’re terrified of us. Most people, in the upper echelons, would ride the storm. Look at all the politicians you can think of, every one of them lies through their teeth, then they sit tight knowing that Joe Public wll accept it and move on. The difference with the McCanns lies, is they have sat tight for 4 years, and we’re not going away. This is a lifetime thing if necessary, but someone will crack, maybe a deathbed confession to avoid eternal damnation. I am not at all religious, but, they are, especially Kate. From hell on earth to eternal damnation, not a easy choice

  47. 97
    Roy Exeter Says:

    Liz,
    i whole heartedly agree with you.

    they once refered to us as evil…i take umbridge to that.
    that is an insult, just like they have been insulting out intelligence, since this whole sorry debackle began…4 years ago.

    do the McCann’s really think that we do this for the good of our health?. and it is nothing more then some inter-net hobby of ours.it would be nice, not having to have a site like this, and if strange things hadn’t occured concerning a little girl called madeliene, this would be so….
    but it isn’t.

    from what i have read, every one of you have valid points, and between the line observations.
    some of what i understand does come from between the lines.
    well, if they wont tell us the truth, how else are we joe public’s suppose to think?.

    surely it could help their case, if they started talking to us joe public’s.

    i bet, if it was someone else in the frame,(another family!) i am sure, being joe public’s themselves, they would be just as concerned as us, as they have familys too, and maddie would still be a little girl doing what children do best, playing and growing up. and then they the McCann’s would be classed as evil, just like we are, by them.

    wouldn’t kate, and gerry,as parents be just as confused and outraged?.
    and smelling a fish themselves, be asking the same questions as us?.

    is it evil, to want to get to the truth?.
    i would say, it was healthy.

    bottom line is folks…….WE CARE!!!!, dont we!?.

    do they really think we like doing this?.
    if maddie had never disapeared, this site wouldn’t need to be here.

    you are right…one day, someone will crack…not everyone can take the same preshore.
    one of them will probably burst…not every one is as strong at keeping secrets, and i wouldn’t mind betting, that this must be tearing some of them apart.

    they cant keep it up forever.
    and to keep this up….forever, it must be.
    at the moment, yes, its working, but forever is a long time, anything can happen.

    perhaps it might just be…..guilt.
    especially, perhaps,knowing they could have prevented it from happening.

    if we are so evil….are we that far from the truth?.

    what happens if they fall out with each other over something, would they still have the same forever commitment?.

    people change!!.

    i will if i have to, (especially now i’ve found you good people)but i dont want to be still doing this same thing in say….10 years time…i would like to think it is solved by then.
    and perhaps we could use this forum, by talking about nice things instead.

    i’ll be here, as long as it takes, if i can live that long.

    we must’nt give up.

    i know this seems boring…but once again Kate, Gerry, tapas members!!!, we only want to help, and if someone knows something that is not yet known….
    my advice…go to the police, anononimous if you have to…
    or just talk too us.

    one of you knows something…
    something defanately untoward happened to Maddie, i just know it in my bones.

    but what!?.

    we will find out.

    the quest for maddie continues.

    take care
    Roy Exeter.

    Site Admin: Roy, you make some great points in your postings. I noted in this post you said that “we care”. You’re absolutely right. It’s almost like an instinctive reaction that good-minded people want to find out what really happened to Madeleine. As the prospects for abduction have been explored exhaustively, it was inevitable that people would turn to the parents and question their alibis along with those of their friends. As those alibis are conflicting and seem to change with the passage of time, it is astonishing why the McCanns still have this hate-mentality towards anyone who challenges their mantric, “Madeleine was abducted”.

    If nobody within the respective families has got the testicular fortitude to ask the same difficult questions to Kate and Gerry then there seems to be little prospect of a solution to this mystery coming from within.

    Sure, someone or all of them know what really happened, but for some strange reason, the veil of protection seems impregnable. One has only to look at the Hollie Greig case to see how corrupt government ministers and the judiciary are allowing paedophiles to walk free.

    From four years of intelligence gathering at Truth for Madeleine, our conclusion is that this is another sickening case about paedophilia. The Portuguese police files have two Doctor witnesses and friends of the McCanns stating their concerns to British Police only 13 days after Madeleine was reported missing. The same British Police held on to this information for almost six months before passing it on to Portuguese investigators. Why?

    Leicestershire Police won’t answer any Freedom of Information requests citing either National Security or that the Madeleine disappearance is an ongoing investigation. Now if they really are involved in a heavyweight investigation then all well and good. One would expect a degree of secrecy under those circumstances. However, the interview technique by Leicestershire Police on the Tapas 7 leaves a lot to be desired. Unless the rogatory interviews in the public domain are fakes, then the real Keystone Cops seem to be those based in Leicester rather than the Algarve.

    Are the British Police letting the McCanns continue as they are to build an even larger case against them? Are they being monitored to see if they reveal where Madeleine is hidden? These scenarios would be good if true but sadly there have been too many false dawns in the McCann case and Operation Task does not instil one with a confidence that the case is being properly investigated behind the scenes.

    Dr Kelly was murdered and that was effectively covered up by the strong Freemasonic network in the UK. Even Norman Baker’s comprehensive book “The Strange Death of Dr David Kelly” serves to cancel out the work of the Freemasons in the Kelly murder. The same thing has happened with Madeleine’s disappearance when the Freemasonic Big-Guns at Kingsley Napley got involved.

    Four years on it is sad and amazing that nobody has ratted out the real perpetrators.

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    i have just been watching the video that Goncalo Amaral helped to make.
    ie the video the McCann’s didn’t want the uk people to see.
    it took me a while to get through it, because i had to keep pausing, to read the subtitles.
    Not being that well travelled, i do not understand Portugese.

    So going by this, if you dont mind i would just like to raise a few things, that to my mind, do not add up.

    1…why are certain people afraid to speak about it, in particular Martin Smith?.
    has he been threatened in some way?, if so, by whom?, does he know something that could be damming?. and if so, isn’t there still such a thing as…..Police protection?.
    Surely if he knows something, and the McCann’s are innocent of any wrong doing, then you would have thought that they would be the first to welcome this man’s input!.

    2…why does Kate fail to answer quite a few of the questions asked by the PJJ…48 i believe?.

    3…why did Gerry blow up in the interview?.
    could this be some form of belayed guilt rising up from within?
    obviously, he wasn’t expecting that particular question to be brought up.
    could it have been, he was so use to their own concocted account, that he didn’t have time to react?.

    4…why would there be fluid traces of some sort in a hire vehicle, some 23 days after Maddie was supposed to have been abducted?.
    could this have been where Maddies dead body had been hidden?.

    those 2 dogs, Eddie and Keeler!!, tell me the whole sorry story in a nutshell.

    trained sniffer dogs…never failed in 200 investigations, so why would they start failing now?.
    perhaps one might have a bad day….but both of them!!!!, in their own trained specific fields.
    ie, cadavor, and blood fluids respectively!!.

    to me, Amarals report, is damming, and completly destroys the abduction theory, which now suggests a lot of people were in on it, a lot of people with practised accounts, of what to say…in other words….a bloody great pack of lies.

    As much as i would love to believe the McCann’s are innocent, the dogs tell me different.

    it pains me to say, from this moment on, until it has been proven otherwise.
    MADDIE IS DEAD, and probably has been ever since….or, perhaps before that.
    i know it, you know it, but more importantly, the McCann’s, and the Tapas crew, have always known it…..haven’t they?.

    I agree with Amaral (this man isn’t stupid!)
    One day, the truth will come out, and he will be vindicated.
    perhaps then, they will all be wishing that they had listened to him to start with?.

    If only all detectives were like him!.

    the quest for Maddie’s justice, goes on.

    thankyou
    take care
    Roy Exeter

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    Roy Exeter Says:

    hi everyone.
    question….where is everyone?.
    its been almost a week since i posted my last, which was the last one on here.
    hope no one has given up on our little girl.

    but to be fair, it cant be easy to have anything to write.
    i havent seen anything in the media for ages, concerning our little maddie.
    i suppose they are just waiting for things to die away, so it can be forgotten about, and hope it all goes away….which would be so convenient….would’nt.
    they would like that!.

    but if they think this will keep me quiet, then i make no appologies, for they just dont know me.
    i dont shut up that easy, especially when i can see all the blatent outstanding wrongs, that have yet to be adressed, and put right.
    does maddie not matter any more.
    i suppose the McCanns with their other children, she is not so important anymore, even though the new book is making money hand over fist for them, at maddie’s expense.
    well….as long as they’re enjoying their nice holidays….thats all that counts…..right!!!?.

    wrong!!!!!!!…
    yes,this is so effing wrong (pardon my bad language)
    i am so frustrated, arn’t you too?…

    i hate loose ends, especially where obviouse justice has not seen to have been served.
    when is someone going to pick up the ball again, and start running again for this little girls justice?. or am i just pissing into the wind!?.

    surely that is not it for maddie!……is it?….i hope not.
    am i wasting my time here.
    i’m just a humble poorly paid man…perhaps when i have my book published, i will use some of my millions to do something for maddie, try an encourage the authorities, (get Amaral back!!) to start searching again….the clues are still all there, i’m sure. i am not going to stay quiet, even if everyone else in the world does.

    dont you find this silence odd?.
    i mean what does this say about certain members of the so called human race.

    its frightening….isn’t it!?.
    what if it was their kids!!, would they be as silent then?.
    i dispair. i feel so useless, i want to cry out and do something, but that is all i am in this case, utterly useless.

    perhaps i am wrong, and i’m happy to be, but it does seem this whole sorry affair has been literally swept under the carpet!!!!!.
    yeah….anything for conveiniance……right!!!?.

    i hope this is not going to suddenly die a death.

    do you feel my anguish too?.

    the quest for maddie, must never be allowed to end, untill it is solved.

    thankyou
    take care
    Roy Exeter

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    Liz Y Says:

    Roy, First you say ‘Where is everyone’& ‘It’s been almost a week’ we are here, nobody is going away, some of us are working, going on holidays, bringing up families and sorting out school runs packed lunches, and all that other stuff. Roy, if you really think this has been swept under the carpet after ‘nearly’ a week’s silence, that’s a bit of an insult to everyone who enables us to have an opinion here. Your comment ‘I hope it’s not going to go away’ is disrespectful to the many people who have spent years trying to get justice, and a decent burial for this little girl. If you don’t hear from these people for a few days, they are there under the surface. It hasn’t been swept under the carpet, people are working behind the scenes, sometimes long after we’ve gone to bed. You really don’t have to keep saying that your a mere man, or a humble poorly paid man or whatever, nobody gives a shit, all we come on here for is Madeleine, it’s not about financial status, or who can write the longest posts etc, its just about, and for, Madeleine.

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