“Madeleine died in the apartment”

Pre-publication

Inspector Amaral

‘CM’ [Correio da Manhã] today starts the exclusive publication of excerpts from the book by Gonçalo Amaral, who believes that Madeleine McCann died inside the apartment at Praia da Luz. The episode of the holidays in 2005, in Mallorca – which raises suspicions about a friend of the couple – and the DNA results are the first parts.

“Madeleine Beth McCann, aged two and a half, and her twin siblings, at that time only a few months old, go away on holidays in the company of the parents, on the island of Mallorca. Three other couples of doctors and their children go along with them. […] S. G. had attended the university in Dundee, between 1987 and 1992, where he met the future mother of Madeleine. K. G. only met Gerry McCann on his wedding with Kate Healy, around 1998, in Liverpool. After that event, the couple S.G. and K.G. become intimate friends with Madeleine’s parents, meeting often, spending weekends together, keeping in touch over the phone.

On the third or fourth night in Mallorca, after dinner, eating and drinking, while sitting around a table on the patio outside the house, K.G. watches a scene that makes her fear for her daughter’s wellbeing, and that of the other children. She was sitting between Gerry McCann and David Payne, when she heard the latter ask whether she, maybe referring to Madeleine, would do ‘this’, then starting to suck on one of his fingers, which he pushed in and out of his mouth, insinuating a phallic object, while at the same time, with the fingers of his other hand, he traced circles around his nipple, in a provocative and sexual manner. At the moment when K.G. looked at Gerry McCann and David Payne with stupefaction, a nervous silence took place. Then everyone continued to chat as if nothing had happened. This episode left K.G. with serious doubts about David Payne’s relationship with children. On another occasion, K.G. would once again see David Payne making the same gestures, this time while speaking about his own daughter. During that holiday period, it was the fathers who usually bathed the children, but from that moment on, K.G. never allowed David Payne to come close to her daughter. After those holidays in Mallorca, K.G. only met David and Fiona Payne on one occasion, and has not spoken to them since.

[…] What is written above was reported to the English police on the 16th of May 2007, only thirteen days after the disappearance of Madeleine, by the couple S. G. and K. G. It was information that was important and pertinent for the investigation. Yet, nothing was transmitted to the Portuguese police.

[…] I think that it was only after I left the investigation, maybe in late October 2007, that K.G.’s deposition was sent to the Portuguese police. It is legitimate to ask: for what reason did the English police, apparently, conceal that testimony for six months? When did they find out that David Payne, who had organized the trip to Mallorca, and who had been signaled with anomalous behaviour towards children, was the same who organized the trip to Portugal, that he was part of the holiday group in the village of Luz where Madeleine had been integrated, that he was the first family friend who could be seen at Kate McCann’s side after the child’s disappearance (as seen further ahead) and that on the date of the deposition he was still in Portugal, and could be confronted with these statements?

[…] In early September, a few days before the McCann couple was constituted as arguidos, Superintendent Stuart Prior travels to Portimão. He brings a first preliminary report [from the forensics lab in Birmingham], and comes to discuss the state of the investigation with us. During a meeting in our office, with the Portuguese and the English investigation teams, Stuart shows his disappointment with the results of the tests. This is where the saga of the FSS reports starts. We read the report and we do not agree with Stuart’s disappointment. The blood residues that were collected from the floor, behind the sofa in apartment 5A, as well as the blood residues that were recovered from the boot of the car that was used by the McCanns, are the issue. We talk about blood residues because the CSI dog is trained to detect only that bodily fluid. The reports that were used to based the decision on, which were written by experts Mark Harrison and Martin Grime, are clear: the CSI dog was used to locate human blood. The Low Copy Number, the technique that is used to determine the DNA from those samples, does not determine from which bodily fluid the DNA comes from. In the first case, it can be read that an incomplete DNA result was obtained, because the sample contained little information, presenting low level DNA indications that come from more than one person. But all the DNA components that are confirmed, match the corresponding components from Madeleine’s DNA profile!

Concerning the second case, after an explanation about the DNA components of Madeleine’s profile, and concluding that it is represented by 19 alleles, it is concluded that 15 are present in the tested sample. This means that 4 alleles are missing to obtain a 100% conclusive match. According to the experts from that lab, those 15 were not enough to conclude, with a high degree of certainty, that we were looking at Madeleine’s DNA profile, even more so because the Low Copy Number found 37 components in the sample. Those 37 components were apparently there because at least three individuals had contributed to that result. Although 15 components from Madeleine’s DNA profile had been found, the result was considered to be complex.

But this first preliminary report went further. In it, the scientist had the unusual care of explaining that in many of the profiles of the lab experts, elements from Madeleine’s DNA profile are present. This means that a good part of the DNA profile of any person can be built by three donors. It is understandable. Two questions were immediately raised. The first one: what use was a DNA profile, in terms of criminal evidence, if it can be the combination of three or more donors.

The other question was simple: why did the DNA profile from those three donors contribute for 15 components of Madeleine’s DNA profile and not that of anyone else, like for example, the scientist who performed the test? But the surprises from the preliminary reports would go even further. […]”

90 Responses to ““Madeleine died in the apartment””

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    margo Says:

    After reading what has been said re the Mallorca holiday – a very serious situation was apparent then re D. Payne. All coming out now isn’t it. Perhaps Madeleine had a bad life for all we know!! All the lies, and strange happenings after Madeleine vanished could have been a cover-up for a murder. IMHO. Madeleine looked a sad child and out on a limb in family photos. Something was not just right in that family.

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    Tony Says:

    Hi Mr.Goncalo

    Sorry, Goncalo I try find why you said this wrong information. Madeleine was abducted and that is
    truth what happened in apartment 5A. Another truth continue in Praia Da Luz and in the Portugal after she was kidnapped by two+one suspects. That is holly truth about, what really happened on 3rd of May 2007. They are also clever men, how to use false dead sense to give you headache for your report. I have got a special question about what is truth and you will have to answer to me agree?

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    Victoria Greyh Says:

    I’m looking for the video that plays Madeleine’s crying and reference to Maddy being left alone the night before she went missing.. can you tell me where to find that? Thank You

    Site Admin: The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEurCP1GGiU

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    MONALISA Says:

    There is DEFINITELY something Kate and Gerry are hiding… Whether she died in their apartment is one thing – but, I doubt very much that the ‘9’ of them could see ‘everything’ from the Tapas Bar!!! ~And, why wash Cuddle Cat????

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    AMANDA Says:

    I THINK DAVID PAYNE WAS THE ONE THAT MURDERED HER AND CARRIED HER BODY OUT AND DUMPED IT SOMEWHERE. I THINK HE RAPED HER, BUT UNFORTANETLY ALSO KILLED HER BY STRANGLING HER WHEN SHE STARTED CRYING. HE SHUTTED HER UP BECAUSE HE WAS SCARED SHE MIGHT WAKE THE TWINS UP. NOT IN ANY NEWSPAPER THAT I`VE READ HERE IN SOUTH AFRICA IT SAID THAT DAVID CAME BACK TO THE TAPAS BAR BEFORE KATE WENT TO GO LOOK IF AL 3 HER CHILDREN WERE STILL FINE. MR GONCALO PLEASE QUESTIONS THIS MAN ( DAVID PAYNE AGAIN AND AGAIN )PLEASE !!!

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    cassie Says:

    Agree with what Amanda has posted. Reckon the group were part of a certain type of group too. Had been doing it for years. People like this are around. Why has David Payne been investigated…because he has friends in high places, and so do the others.

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    zella Says:

    I totally agree with Amanda the investigators must qeustin each and every one of them again and again sooner or later someone will crack…..

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    loulou Says:

    I have always been highly suspicious of the mcanns, when maddy first went missing, in the first crucial hours, they wouldnt realease information on what she was wearing, they wouldnt talk to the press to get the information out there. That is not normal behaviour of parents whose child has gone missing. Heck you would be begging and pleading for help, she was only four years old, which would make any parent highly frantic, as she was at a very helpless vulnerable age. And yet a week or two in they are flying to meet the pope in rome? what in gods name was that all about? madeleine is missing in PORTUGAL and they fly to ROME? you would be scouring the streets, houses, roads, beaches of portugal, not flying to rome to ask the pope for a prayer!! I really am not convinced by these two, just because they hold responsible jobs does not make them viable saints, and now they are asking for more money to help find maddy?? Im not even going to elaborate on what I think happened to her, I really do not have any idea, but what I do know is there is something as I said in beginning very suspicious about the mcanns and thats a fact. The portugese police were made into scapegoats

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    STEPHEN ANDREW PERSAUD Says:

    There was an earthquake off the south coast of England
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7266136.stm

    http://www.travellerspoint.com/forum.cfm?thread=38683&start=11&rows=10

    The whole of the south of England was discussing it and the implications for 2012
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11210738

    MI5 and the Masonic Lodge wanted to put an end to that topic of discussion (earthchanges/mayan calendar 2012) and distract the British public………so they thought they would get a little blonde cherubin girl (who looks like Drew Barrymore in ET) to go missing and tug at everyone’s heart strings.

    The plan was probably to get her doctor parents to drug her and then she was to be kept in a safe house for a few weeks…. she would have been released by her care takers (MI5 handlers) in a public place ….. like a shopping centre……

    Some unsuspecting member of the public would then point out this crying child to a policeman and then it would have been all over the news…worldwide…she together with her parents would have been like the Chilean miners (http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=5145)
    ………celebrities doing the rounds of news ….chat shows and probably visits to presidents and popes…she would have had her own series……she would have been turned into a brand like a real live Dora the explora………we would never hear the end of it….and we would have forgotten about the Earthquake in Britain …….as most people have

    The trouble is they (her parents) probably gave her too much of the sedative and she died as a result…

    When ever has a child abduction had so much attention and support from news paper editors the bbc …sky news CNN….prominent public figures.( http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/history/famous-cases/the-lindbergh-kidnapping)……usually a child goes missing…. it gets 30 seconds at the end of the news…and then a few days later the poor child is found sexually assaulted and dead ……because the pervert acts on an over whelming impulse and does not have time to plan an abduction like he was a member of the SAS………..

    The publicity campaign was driven from the “Top” down…..not the other way around……and the only reason Clarence Mitchell stepped in to be their spokesperson was because they were becoming less and less convincing………….Clarence Mitchell might as well wear a badge say “MI5 Plumber” (to stem the leaks).
    Clarence Mitchell, formerly boss of the Labour government’s Media Monitoring Unit,

    The Investigating detective soon picked up on all the inconsistencies……………..

    http://truthformadeleine.com/

    http://www.madeleinefoundation.org.uk/

    And now once again the same military intelligence cabals are trying to distract from the fact that Iceland looks like it might start to erupt again……
    http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&p=316924

    And also there’s the possibility that the “ring of fire” may explode and lead to a “nuclear winter” :
    http://notrickszone.com/2010/11/05/der-spiegel-geologists-warn-mega-eruption/

    That is why the Generals daughter (who married an MI5 Tibetan specialist who lectured at oxford and she (Aung_San_Suu_Kyi) was also groomed by an MI6 soroptimist “blue rinse” Dame of the realm) has just been released with all the fanfare of the return of a messiah.

    As well as the couple (who under instructions from MI6 went for a sailing “holiday” in the most dangerous waters on the planet)…..have just been released…….they are all ploys to keep the general public unaware of the massive geophysical changes that are and will continue to take place …….and intensify………

    DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE….

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    AnthonyS Says:

    Why, if McCann found she had “vanished from the apartment” did he not run immediately to the restaurant to get his friends to help look for her?
    Why was her DNA discovered in a car which he did not hire until after her alleged abduction?
    Is the answer to it all that they know she is dead and that her body will never be found?
    Could that be the reason why they continue to try to con the public and the media that she might still be alive?
    Have they run out of money again and fear their lifestyle may change unless their coffers fill up again?
    I do not know what happened to Maddie, but as sure as eggs are eggs, there is something very suspicious about her parents.

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    stephen persaud Says:

    I use to own a german shepherd dog and when i went shopping in tesco he would be tied up by the window where I could see him and I would be looking to see if he was there every few seconds……..and this was an Alsation….and I was still more worried about him bieng abducted than those two fakes………how on earth if you have the chance of putting your beloved child in a creche or have a baby sitter (both availabe from the hotel complex) do you say “no its ok…we’re having lunnch on the other side of the tennis courts” we will check every 20 minutes………..they are full of shit

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    loulou Says:

    Yes there are other things going on in the world, but this is a forum to discuss madeleine mccann, I dont think anybody is trying to take anything away from any other subject! I have a whole bunch of views on alot that has happened recently in the world, as Im sure other people here do, its just we are discussing this. As the mcanns have yet again put themselves in the spotlight, I think its time the press stopped viewing them as innocent victims, and now start twitching eyebrows! Now they are going to be writing a book, and have spoken to jk rowlings publisher, where and how do these people get such influential people on side! Im totally bewildered by the power they seem to have, and a little sickened to. They need the money apparently, hmph, how about they get off their backsides and do a little search of their own! well it will be the first time they have! Not ONCE when madeleine vanished did I see either of them go looking for her, and if they say its because of the other 2 children utter balderdash, they were leaving the children regularly throughout the holiday!
    I have read the detectives book, and there is nothing fantasist about it, he never said they did it, he just pointed out inconsistencies in there stories, and quite frankly it should be published!

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    cassie Says:

    Thought do come to mind that someone was with the children in the apartments and something went terribly wrong! Unthinkable though that children can be left alone…what about fire for instance.

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    AnthonyS Says:

    I had an evening with two English detectives last night and it was put to me, that if the McCanns and the friends they were with, were all put into separste rooms at the time, and interviewed by proper methods, we would now know where Maddie is and the McCanns would on the balance of probabilities be inside now.
    Is it too late for this to be done?
    No, I believe not as even now, with the passage of time, inconsistencies in their respective stories would show up and we might get o the bottom of it.
    In the meantime they just go on and on bewildering the public with their ability to manipulate the media.

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    linda Says:

    What if it is the truth & she was abducted..,can you imagine how Heart breaking that is on top of maddie missing with everyone jumping on the band wagon..I usually get a gut feeling about stuff like this & the recent 2 murders in the uk,when these people were on tv pleading for help I felt that it did not ring true ,I stuck with this feeling , telling my family at the time of course.Only to be proved right , Now I have seen Kate & Gerry on TV a few times…& my honest gut feelings are that Kate is absolutely destroyed by this & Gerry I think is consumed by Guilt & Thats due to not checking on Maddie enough or leaving her in a Vunerable place where someone took advantage , Not because he harmed her or killed her..Apart from that theres another thing that bothers me its about The soham killer /Huntly…he had abducted & killed two little girls ,to cut a long story short…..when the case was winding down…it was revealed that some of the officers involved in the case were viewing child pornography on the net & I think they were arrested at the time & obviously charged but I don,t know the outcome….I sometimes wonder if there may be a cover up of some kind..not sure about that as I have not seen any of these people on Tv…..just a thought.imo.

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    linda Says:

    yes please notify me..thank you ..from linda

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    lolou Says:

    well I think there is a little more to detective work than gut feeling! If that was the case no crime would go unsolved! To be right once doesnt mean you are going to be right all the time. that is very very naive assumption. without prejudice

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    Liz Y Says:

    I wonder how all this will end. Will the McCann’s be tottering around on Zimmer Frames, rattling their collection tins, whilst toting a picture of what Madeleine would look like now she’s 60 , if she hadn’t died, which she did. When do the odious McCann’s call it quits. I am sure the collection pot is getting smaller by he minute. What are they doing with other people’s money. Just waiting for one of their buddies to take time out on holiday and report a sighting of a woman with her head in curlers and wearing surgical stockings whilst pulling a natty tartan pullalong covered in Madeleine stickers.
    Why not thank everybody for their donations, and call it a day – 5 years on and nothing, because there is NOTHING, we know it and they do. But, Oh, Oh, wait a moment, stop receiving donations from some people who can ill afford it, not being feted as Celebrities and VIPs, not getting Mortgage payments, not having crack legal teams to save their padded little arses, which probably haven’t got anything to do with kidnap advice. just Extradition Advice (What for?) Slander and Libel Defamation Advice and so on. If they’ve done nothing wrong, wouldn’t you think all these extras could be churned into one Madeleine recovery fund? I have to say that I hope what you created Gerry and Kate, The Golden Goose who lays golden eggs. Will bring about your downfall and I personally can’t wait.

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    lisa Says:

    i have 3 children under the age of 6 and there is no way i would ever have left them on their own to go and eat bloody tapas! i wouldnt even trust a baby sitter from the service that the complex provided to look after my children as it would be a stranger.
    what the hell is wrong with these people! when we go on holiday we do everything with our kids then put them to bed, later than normal, then we stay in!
    oh and just to add, i am a 26 yr old full time mum, my partner works full time but we are working class, if it was us that had left our kids then im sure we would have been charged with neglect

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    loulou Says:

    it has always amazed me they have never been questioned as to why they left three children alone in an apartment in a foreign country, noone else would get away with it and I dont see why they have. this case has stank from the start…….

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    Liz Y Says:

    loulou , you’re right it’s smelt like an fetid open sewer and rats everywhere from the outset. But the rats called the McCanns came out, once again, smelling of roses. The only difference between the rats and the Mccanns, is that rats make excellent parents.
    There is of course, the odd rat who does a bad thing, and he surrounds himself with ‘Upper Class’ rats, and he has fine food and wine. He doesn’t even have to feed his family, or pay for his own sewer. His friends take care of him, they assure him that his life will be good, he doesn’t care about his family. He sold his SOUL for money made on his fellows in the sewer.
    In time, these upper class rats tire of him and he becomes an embarrassment. But he still tries to rattle his tin at every opportunity. Poor old Rat, didn’t make the grade. Only politicians and other liars get to the inner sanctum. The moral: if it talks like a rat, and acts like a rat, then it is a Rat

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    loulou Says:

    and like rats liz, someone will always feed them, knowingly or not!……….

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    John Quinlan Says:

    How two people can earn a living from a missing daughter is beneath contempt. Those two deserve no sympathy and if there is a God, they will both burn in hell for eternity. For the sake of a few pounds for a babysitter they lost a daughter, I hope that the bottle of wine they bought instead tasted good.

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    Liz Y Says:

    Loulou, If The Rats we are talking of go hungry, they’ll steal off their fellows. They are truly putrid, without conscience or morals, flog their granny for a button. They call each other the Rt honourable this and that. They wouldn’t know honourable if it jumped up and bit them on the arse. They are not in positions because they’re honourable, they’re there because they will tread on everyone and everything, to get to the top. The phrase ‘Birds of a feather flock together’ comes to mind. It speaks volumes that Liar is not a word allowed in the Commons.
    They treat us with thinly veiled contempt, Gerry’s face drips with it, how dare we peasants have an opinion or (Worse) a voice. All they are really concerned is keeping Gerry and Kate out of the dock of the Old Bailey, for a reason I can’t begin to understand. All we are concerned about is what happened to a baby, because that’s all she was, a beautiful, innocent and pure baby girl. Who, if all’s to be believed, was sullied and degraded by Paedo Payne, which was bad enough, but far, far, worse than that, by her own father.
    There is something filthy and unspeakable going on here.

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    camille Says:

    Its obvious that there was something evil going on with the group. Payne is protected and others too, which is what seems to be happening. Why, is the burning question. Does the group have friends in high places? Could be the answer.

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    Liz Y Says:

    That is another thing I cannot, for the life of me understand, given the Tapas’s record for claiming damages, suing newspapers and Goncalo… Why, oh why, hasn’t there been a lawsuit from Payne AND Gerry, about the paedophile accusations of two people who have absolutely no need to lie. Instead deadly silence.
    Paedophilia knows no bounds it involves doctors, barristers, judges, bin men etc. It spreads it’s malignant tentacles where it will, mostly anonymously. Its only victims will forever be children. In which case they need locking up forever, nothing is going to be changed by a spell in prison.
    Even if Payne and Gerry only spoke of it, whomever evil thinks, evil does.

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    camille Says:

    Absoluelty agree. Silence speaks oceans of words. Any other person accused of such would be suing or making a complaint. Instead we have silecen. Speaks for itself.

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    Despina Vekris Says:

    I think the church in Portagal should be checked.How on earth did the dogs manage to get the scent in the hired car .I have had different dogs over the years and one even manage to smell cancer in a young family member and lay his head in the correct place and barked That was before the person even looked unwell so iam 100%sure those dogs were correct,Thank goodness there are people like Tony Bennet who isnt afraid to speak

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    Louise Says:

    I’m more and more convinced of the guilt of the Mccanns with each passing day. They have obviously been hiding something from the start,it is blatantly obvious from the interviews. I pray someone will crack and the truth will come out eventually. That poor child. Rest in peace Madeleine.

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    Liz Y Says:

    On the fourth anniversary of your death God bless you little Madeleine, and keep you safe in Heaven. Sadly your folks won’t be joining you there.

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    Amy Says:

    I have always smelt a rat in this horrendous case of ‘child abduction’. The McCaans are both GPs therefore more than capable of anything, they know all too well the effects of Calpol! I dont see them being very distressed throughout this ordeal…and why would a loving mother, who missed her daughter, wash her daughters favourite cuddle toy, the cuddle cat ???? Why?? Poor Madeleine….she did not deserve any of this, cruelty, neglect…yes neglect…who on earth in their right minds leaves their 3 children – a 2 y/o and twin babies ALONE in a strange apartment whiles they go off having a meal and wine ????? I have no sympathy for the McCaans. JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE – THE TRUTH WILL OUT.

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    Liz Y Says:

    Have you noticed that the McCanns have always had an answer ready, excusing the bodily fluids on, ranging from dirty nappies in transit from the apartment to the villa, or leakage from meat products from a shopping trip or, discrediting the dogs who haven’t ben wrong in 200 previous cases. These are a doctor and a consultant for God’s sake, would they really be carrying dirty nappies around?? They seem to always have a ridiculous excuse to any query, and usually one that makes no sense. They have no clue how a parent of an abducted child would feel, so, they’re making it up as they go along.
    They make me feel physically sick.

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    Stacey Says:

    As a mom of two grown children and grandma to twin 2 yr old girls, I cannot imagine anyone leaving their three little ones alone in a hotel room, so they can drink at a bar. Why didn’t they party in their room? And why didn’t they just take one of the children’s grandparents or a nanny with them on vacation? They should at least be arrested and prosecuted for child neglect, abandonment, etc. I think they are involved. I would like to think otherwise, but the sniffer dogs found the truth!
    Rest in peace little Madeleine. You deserved so much better than these two idiots.

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    Sally-mary Says:

    I hope Maddie is safe, well and happy, playing somewhere in a garden. I hope whoever took her, took her because they thought she deserved better parents then the ones she had. You don’t go on holiday and leave your kids, it was not the first time they had done this, so they played a lottery game with their children.In Spain and the likes, you take your kids to the restaraunt with you, it’s a family thing!! There are so many inconsistencies with their stories and why did Kate McCann refuse to answer 48 questions, valid questions I would say!! They said they’d do a lie detector test and when a newspaper offered to pay for it, they changed their minds…well, they would wouldn’t they, I suspect they’d consider it “unreliable” the same way they rubbished off the dogs findings!

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    Nicky Says:

    Liz i totally agree, something very strange going on here. I believe Kate will crack one day and i believe it has more to do with Gerry than her. Time will tell……hopefully. RIP Maddie. 🙁

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    brian t Says:

    I BELIEVE LITTLE KATE WAS DEAD IN THE APPARTMENT,AND GERRY AND ROBERT MURAT CONSPIRED TO GET RID OF KATE.I REALLY BELIEVE THE TWO OF THEM PLACED HER IN A CLOSE BY RIVER BEING HELD DOWN WITH WEIGHTS,NEAR A DOUBLE ARCHED BRIDGE.I THINK ITS TERIBLE ACTING AS THEY KNOW NOTHING,IT’SOBVIOUS WHY THAY LEFT THEM ALONE.

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    ANgela Says:

    Totally sick of the McCanns. They look guilty and they are guilty. Why do the press give them such coverage and why on earth is the government using tax payers money to launch an inquiry. The only inquiry they need is into the McCanns themselves. They were totally negligent in their lack of care for all of theur children – leaving them alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country whilst they eat, drink and be merry. Horrible horrible selfish parents.

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    linda Says:

    I have now changed my views completely,In my opinion taking into account how some women have been known to cover up for their partners, like to turn a blind eye ,or some women know but bury it in their heads like it never happened . I have met women like this & whether its because they,ve heard their men are having affairs or something much more terrible they are capable of either covering it up altogether or pretending its not happening at all.. Hope i,m really wrong, but who knows , seems as the case was not investigated in a properly in the very first instant then unfortunately anything is possible…The Payne Charachter definately needs thoroughly investigating…

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    Jacob Collins Says:

    How could Kate and Gerry have killed Madeleine? Kate and Gerry struggled for children and Madeleine was their dearest wish. If they realised how much of a struggle it was to have children; then why did they have Sean and Amelie or why not put Madeleine up for adoption. With all the media craze at the time of Madeleine’s abduction, I do not think it would be possible for the McCanns to hide Madeleine’s body, especially with the searches conducted by Portugease police. I beleive that Kate McCann’s book ‘Madeleine’ is true and ‘the faked abduction’ is fiction. People are blinded by the truth, they have tried to put the fear of the serious crime of child abudction aside by blaming it on Madeleine’s parents, when there is NO strong evedince. The Portugease police told Kate not to look sad in front of the camera as it would give the abductor of Madeleine some sort of ‘pleasure’ look at the recent case of Shannon Matthews (England) and Kiesha Abrahams (Australia). Their parents cried and cried and begged for their daughter’s return when it turns out that Kiesha was murdered by her mother and Shannon’s abduction faked by her Mum, if you ask me, Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent of any crime and I totally support their view of Madeleine’s tragic story.

    Site Admin: Who said Kate and Gerry killed Madeleine? In England in July 2010 it was reported that Andrew Case killed his wife and two daughters after spending large sums of money on IVF treatment to have a family. Case was debt ridden and there are suggestions that the McCanns were struggling financially. Money has always been a motive for crimes involving homicide. Believe what you like about the two books but as you say yourself – people are blinded by the truth. Perhaps you need to pay Specsavers a visit.

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    loulou Says:

    yes a trip to specsavers is most definitley needed! Ive watched the filmed evidence of the cadaver dog that smelt death behind the couch, I also viewed the happy family footage of jerry mCcann turning the air blue when questioned about spending time with a whole load of kids for a week! these two jerry and kate throw up more questions bout themselves than answer them. and I stand by what I have said previously, why the heck would you go to visit the pope in rome, when your 4yr old daughter is missing in portugal, aswell as the usual leaving the kids alone in that apartment. jeez just the accident waiting to happen with a 4yr old and two 18mth olds alone is concern enough! as a footnote, do you know how difficult it is to get an audience with the pope!

    Site Admin: The Rome trip was most likely a diversion while people were doing things back in Praia da Luz. All the media were concentrating on that Papal visit when it is possible that Madeleine’s body was being moved in Portugal without the media glare. The story about checking the children was a fabricated story because it doesn’t make sense. Who would leave an apartment deliberately left open and unlocked with possessions such as children, passports, money, clothes, camera etc. in there? The child checking story is a botched story made up very quickly to cover for what really happened.

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    Liz Y Says:

    Jacob, Where to start, you state that the McCanns were told by the police, not to show any emotion to the ‘kidnappers’, well that didn’t stop them a few days later, coming out of church all smiles, which disturbed me and a lot of my acquaintances, it just doesn’t sit right that if you believe your daughter is in the hands of paedophiles you just COULDN’T do that, unless you’re a psychopath. The police also begged them not to go public about Madeleine’s eye defect, for fear of endangering her life, as she would have been recognizable and therefore too hot to handle alive. They might have taken the first police advice seriously but not the bit about saving her life. When the LOOK logo came out with Madeleine’s eye defect incorporated into to it, Gerry said something along the lines of, well it could have put her in danger, but it was a brilliant marketing ploy, That is not natural, but then it’s not natural to allow Payne to make sexual comments about your daughter, if the Gaspars are to be believed (and I can’t see what they have to gain by lying).
    I wonder if you have a daughter, and if your daughter was abducted, would you not be out searching with the Resort employees, holidaymakers, locals, well into the night, going out of your mind. Instead they went to bed, and they’ve never searched physically since. Would you also, having lost your daughter to paedophiles, leave your babies in the flat or leave them to attend the daily creche, every day, only yards away from where there big sister had disappeared? Also how could they have the presence of mind to organise publicity and a fund in a few days.
    There is loads and loads more stuff to support what we’re saying, so why don’t you:
    a). Research your subject before you criticise what we are about. b). Crawl back under your stone.
    or, c). Make a donation to the Madeleine fund, then politely ask them why they’re spending peoples hard earned cash on expert lawyers, including an extradition expert, and family expenses like mortgage payments. You have a good day ye hear!!

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    Jacob Collins Says:

    Well I am sorry Liz but that is my view I do not think the McCann’s commited a crime at all I may have got my facts a little muddled up in my first comment but why would Madeleine’s parent’s spend millions of pounds searching for her if they had covered up her murder, it may not have been neccesarlily them who commited the crime but to me if I was in that situation I would eventually crack and not be able to pretend that I’m looking for my daughter or spending money on funding the search for her, read Kate McCann’s book ‘Madeleine’ the TRUE account of what has happened.

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    Liz Y Says:

    Jacob, Please don’t apologise, you can’t help being misguided. Now, just run that past me again, why would Madeleine’s parents spend millions searching for her? Maybe, Jacob, you have slightly missed the point so I’ll enlighten you. The McCanns haven’t spent a single penny of their own money looking for her, AND they never physically looked for her either, but they have spent thousands and thousands of pounds, of other peoples money, on trips, top lawyers including an expert in Extradition, and mortgage payments, petty cash, which we wouldn’t earn the likes of in a several months, they never offered to sell their house or dig into their own pockets. They took money off people, some suffering their own financial hardship. THAT money was taken from them, to help the search for their daughter, I’d like to bet that, had they known what it was being used for, they’d have kept their wallets and purses shut, and turned on another bar of the electric fire. I also, thought it strange that they didn’t crack under the burden of knowing their daughter was, according to them, abducted by paedophiles, imagine your daughter with paedophiles, go on, imagine it. I would have cracked there and then, I wouldn’t be able to stand up, never mind going on nice walks, jogging, or playing tennis, and looking as though they were on a Sunday stroll. Now YOU read the TRUTH, but you won’t, will you, because you’re not really interested are you? You just came on here to bang a big drum about ‘The Book’.
    Hey, and be sure to give the McCanns my regards!!

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    Jacob Collins Says:

    I have read the TRUTH and they have to regain some sense of normality for Sean and Amelie’s sake imagine how you would feel if you never recovered from this tragedy and how it would affect your children you would want to make sure that they had a happy life, the media twists the truth, you wouldn’t be able to live the rest of your life in the dark now would you? I am not just ‘here to bang a big drum about “The Book”‘ as you say but I am here to show my support for the McCanns to show them that there are people out there who do still support them and can see all these lies are ludicrous…..

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    I Don't Believe It Says:

    In the recent RTE interview Gerry is still scratching his nose, pulling his ear and so on at key moments, although he has improved in controlling such movements. When he makes points alluding to the lack of evidence, he invariably smirks.

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    Liz Y Says:

    Oh ‘Mr. Collins’, what a coincidence, ludicrous hmmm……I have surely heard that word before, ah yes, Clarence Mitchell’s very favourite word. Tell me ‘Mr. Collins’, why have you waited this long to complain on behalf of your friends? People don’t usually attack an opinion per se, they usually answer the points they don’t like, sometimes vigourously that I don’t like, but can understand. They often say the McCanns were very wrong in leaving 3 babies in a hotel bedroom, and then go on to say that the McCanns will have to live with that and that’s their punishment poor things. You don’t do that, you don’t even touch on that subject, you don’t touch on anything really. It’s as if you’re family or friend, blindly following the said storyline. You say you’re not banging a big drum about the book, then why are you here now, have you waited all this time till the book was published? Have you waited 4 years to have an opinion? Not been the tiniest bit curious in the other side of the coin. If not, your opinion is worthless, but I don’t think that for one minute, like I said Jacob, give the McCanns my regards!!

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    Liz Y Says:

    Jacob, Have you read ‘The Faked Abduction’ if so, where did you get it? I want a copy myself but it’s hard to get hold of one, since our freedom of speech has been banned

    Site Admin: Faked Abduction is back on sale again –> http://fakedabduction.com/

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    I Don't Believe It Says:

    There are so many odd, inexplicable and contradictory acts and statements of the McCanns and their friends that you could fill a hundred pages just describing them. Here’s a selection:

    1. Kate McCann now claims it never entered her head that there could be any risk to leaving her children alone. And yet one of her friends claimed that the same evening of the abduction Kate had spoken of her uneasiness about leaving her children alone. And these are doctors, people who will have trained in A&E and seen the many and various accidents that befall young children left unattended.

    2. The McCanns have publicised the results of their detectives’ work claiming that Madeleine was being held close to the resort. This was stated quite definitely. But they now say they have no idea where she could be.

    3. The McCanns never refer to their child being a ward of court, although we know from open court proceedings that she was made a ward of court after the abduction.

    4. The McCanns pose as people not being helped by officialdom and yet we know a court order was made requiring every official agency in the land to help them – even while they were criminal suspects in Portugal. We know this because Leics Police resisted their attempt to get hold of police files on that back of that court order.

    5. The McCanns have never published detailed accounts of their Fund, which is not a charity. They publish only the bare minimum.

    6. Their spokesman claimed none of the McCanns or their friends had either mobile phones or watches with them at the dining table on the night of the alleged abduction. He never admitted to telling an untruth, but it seems a completely incredible statement to make.

    7. They seem to lurch from one strategy to another. One moment it is all about drawings of suspects. Another time it is all about alleged sightings. Then it’s touring European capitals…working with the FBI…trying to get an early warning missing child system in place… Then it’s the book. One moment Kate is going to devote her time to working with children’s charities, then we hear nothing more about that. One moment they are intensely religious, the next they seem to have entirely forgotten their deep religious beliefs.

    I am absolutely sickened by the supine nature of our UK media, their refusal to question or investigate.

    The very fact that no UK writer seems to have the courage to write about the story says a hell of a lot I think, since it is such a big story you would expect several books to have been written.

    I think one has to say that the McCanns are geniuses of spin and evasion. Gerry could well have been a politician I think – he has that instinctive ability to present the required version of events and to harness the advice of others. They have been so clever. You will notice as just one example that whilst they always express regret about what happened they never admit to doing anything wrong at all. Gullible people misread their statements (as intended) and think they do admit to a mistake but they don’t. Then they appeal to different groups in different ways. Sometimes there is the religious pose. But other times they emphasise how they are the victims of conspiracy nutters, and pitch for the support of rationalists. They have worked the various political and cultural networks incredibly well. But they have also used the brute force of the law to stunning effect with court orders, libel claims and so on.

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    Jacob Collins Says:

    Liz, I have only just found this site and have found it despicable to beleive that there are still people out there saying that the McCanns and their friends are hiding something. I admit, when Madeleine first went missing, I thought the McCann’s had killed their child but now I know better after reading more on their story. I don’t know the McCanns. But I can see that they are innocent of any crime, hey I’ve just written to them maybe I shall inform them of this site as well.

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    Liz Y Says:

    Jacob, Once again, you give no defence for the facts I raised, I realize with you there is no point in discussion. You are either totally blinkered or thick. Personally I think it’s the latter, and there’s no point in making threats, because for every one of you, there are thousands and thousands of us who have searched for the truth, for Madeleine, we’ve read through court documents, Tapas interviews etc etc and many other things too numerous to mention here, not just read a bloody book full of unsubstantiated bullshit. They, and certainly not you, can’t silence all of us. We’ll keep coming back, and we will have our day, of that I’m sure. Oh, and by the way, don’t you think it’s a little immature to think the McCanns and their cronies don’t know about this site? I don’t know why they are so worried, unless, of course, they are lying.
    Now Jacob, I am not going to waste any more of my time in conversing with you, because you’re becoming a bit of a bore.
    PS. I hope you remembered to include a donation with your letter, because you know, they’ll look for the cheque or cash, and, whether it’s included or not, your precious letter will end up unread and in the shredder. You have a nice weekend!

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    Liz Y Says:

    Site admin, thanks for the info.

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    I Don't Believe It Says:

    Incredible – proper comments being allowed through on the Daily Mail. First time in a long time anything like that has been allowed. The comments are brilliant and are all gettting huge numbers of green arrows (support).

    It shows how people really think in the UK.

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    Liz Y Says:

    Just read the Mail comments – fantastic, maybe this will be the turning point for journalists interested in putting the other side of the story. It certainly seems that there are lot more people onside. It seems the McCanns have reached saturation point, there are a lot of comments on there who once sympathised but are now tired of their constant bleating, whilst other missing kids are being ignored or not taken as seriously. It’s comforting that the comments in favour of the McCanns are getting loads of red arrows (non support), it does seem that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and it’s not just the headlamp of an oncoming train.

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    I Don't Believe It Says:

    Liz Y – It’s certainly encouraging that the Mail feels confident enough to allow through critical comments drawing attention to the gaping holes in the McCann narrative. It could be a sign of better times to come, but we have had false hope before. By the way, I am convinced the Mail haev received many more critical comments than they have published. But the fact they have let through a few is good.

    Good – but I remain puzzled by various aspects of UK media reporting. Here are some of my thoughts:

    1. Of course we have to remember there was a secret injunction on all official agencies requiring them to co-operate with the McCanns. This came to light when Leics Police saw off a previous McCann attempt to get their hands on Police files. I mention it because of course if we were kept in the dark about that injunction, we may have been kept in the dark about other injunctions – perhaps preventing reporting about the McCanns’ lives – we never seem to hear much about their personal histories.

    2. It is amazing that the UK media fails to mention basic features of this case e.g.

    (a) The fact that whatever the McCanns could see from of the rear of the property, they could see nothing of the front or side, so their claim to be watching the property is meaningless, whether it was 10 metres or a 100 metres away.

    (b) That Madeleine was made a ward of court soon after her disappearance and the parents no longer have general legal responsiblity for her.

    (c) That the Fund has never published detailed accounts beyond the bare legal minimum.

    (d) That they never challenge the McCanns on the question of accidental injury to children so young. Anything could happen in half an hour and the McCanns as doctors who had trained in A&E would know that. In what possible way could the McCanns think the children could be “safe” in such circumstances?

    (e) That Clarence Mitchell, their spokesman, claimed that none of the Tapas 9 had a watch or mobile phone with them! (He later gave a different version – that none of them had a mobile with them – no more credible).

    (f) The fact that their “detectives” have claimed they know Madeleine is being held in a lawless village near PDL. The McCanns are never asked about this claim.

    (g) That her friend Rachel has said previously that Kate confessed on the night of the “abduction” her concerns about leaving the children alone, whereas Kate now says that she never for a moment had any qualms.

    (h) That the sniffer dogs found incriminating evidence of cadaver odour at various McCann connected sites.

    Why is the UK media avoiding mention of such facts (and there are many other odd and weird such facts)? Is it laziness? Editorial direction? Incompetence?

    3. The role of commentators has been incredible and disgusting. We have people like Craig Brown now suggesting that a Portugese police officer abducted the child. So many of the commentators just regurgitate what they are told by the McCann machine. For instance, I read one today who talks as though this holiday was a one-off special treat – whereas these inter-family holidays had occurred on a number of occasions (an oddity in terms of the behaviour of the English upper middle classes).

    4. Despite this being the crime of the century and the subject of more column inches in the UK than any other crime in history, no reputable author seems prepared to touch this case in the UK. Why? It doesn’t make sense to me. The market for any book of substance would be huge – the author could earn millions. But reputable authors seem to avoid it like the plague. Why?

    This case is a puzzle within a puzzle. Nothing makes sense. Even Amaral’s theory of some sort of accidental injury in the apartment around 6-7pm has its problems. I don’t claim to know what the answers are, but I know I don’t trust the McCann narrative.

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    Liz Y Says:

    I don’t believe it, Absolutely spot on, but I do believe there is a wider agenda, as I have said before, the powers that be, for some reason, have allowed these people to be far more involved in this case (even when suspects), than in any other case ever, they’ve pulled more strings than a puppeteer. I too, think Amaral’s theory has it’s own limitations. Somehow, I keep coming back to Payne and the paedophile thing. That’s the only thing which would explain the amount of support from the upper echelons. We all know that decent MPs (The ones who want to make a difference) are soon bullied into things they’d rather not do, like fiddling expenses, because they’re told in no uncertain terms, ‘Don’t you spoil things for the rest of us.’ Maybe there have been affairs, heterosexual or same sex, which can be dangled as a threat, all manner of stuff goes on, and all manner of stuff is saved for a rainy day and every man has his price. The easiest way for the McCanns to shut us up is to go before a court and explain why they have lied, why they have never had to explain all the discrepancies and inconsistencies because, as our Clarrie said, there is a wholly innocent explanation for anything the investigation may or may not find (that isn’t verbatim). Surely, if that’s the case, they wouldn’t need to spend tens of thousands for a spokesman to hide behind, because there is only one true story, it’s just a shame they can’t remember it. I’m all for innocent explanations, just tell us what they are. Simples!!
    I just hope that reading the Daily Mail comment may cause readers to do their own investigating.

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    I Don't Believe It Says:

    There is no way we can find out what has been going on due to the multiple layers of legal censorship (injunctions, libel proceedings and so on), informal censorship (e.g. bookshops refusing to stock Amaral’s book), and self-censorship (I think a lot of media folk don’t want to leave the pack and speak out against them).

    The Gaspar statement was mentioned briefly by one newspaper online before being pulled I believe. (I think it was the Sun from memory – could be wrong.) The idea that such a statement, from close friends, is irrelevant to the case is not credible.

    I would say one thing: I think the McCanns – who through instinct or good advice have, since some early wobbles (such as the appalling Panorama programme), have proved masters of media manipulation – have been able to put together interconnecting networks of influence: the Labour Party, Catholic Church, feminists, commercial interests (e.g. in computerised missing children systems), Freemasons, children’s charities and media tycoons. At the same time they have over time harnessed all sorts of strong popular imagery: meeting the Pope, TV detective series, images of innocent children, scary child-stealing gypsies, the woman in jeopardy, the saintly woman, stereotypes about lazy and incompetent Latin types etc etc. They took time to learn that…initially they thought the “modern couple” images (jogging, standing in front of a flip chart and so on) would win sympathy – but they didn’t. But gradually they learned how these images working at a deeper unconscious level were much more effective.

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    margo Says:

    The Mcs and Co will get their knickers in a knot so to speak, and its happening right before our very eyes.

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    I Don't Believe It Says:

    Interesting on Newsnight – the Press Complaints Commission woman admitted – was quite brazen about it – that they issue “desist” notices all the time (i.e. engage in pre-censorship). I’d be v. surprised if they haven’t been applying those to McCann related material.

    Margo – I hope your optimism is justified. But I fear the McCanns have had time to polish up their act. I think in fact that’s one reason why they can never leave the media alone. They tried that for a while, but saw the dangers when Amaral went on the offensive. I think they realise they have to be in a state of “permanent war” – deploying all their influence networks and making their pitch. It’s dressed up as “searching for Madeleine” which of course it isn’t at all as far as most people are concerned.

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    Liz Y Says:

    I Don’t Believe It, I hope that permanent state of war destroys them, they face all their lives in constant battle trying to bully everyone into believing their version of the event, as for continued donations, ….even the worm turns. 2 years for admitting manslaughter will seem like a walk in the park now. I think this time they have overstepped the mark, I’d fervently hope this book will be the catalyst, that will have them falling onto their own swords.

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    margo Says:

    The Mcs could and probably hae actually, got friends in high places. They are part of a network of evil. Why they have not been caught out is beyond belief, but time will tell.

    Site Admin: Kate’s latest book is interesting in the context of a network of evil. The name “Madeleine” appears 666 times in the book.

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    Liz Y Says:

    I have read somewhere that Maddie is an anagram of I’m Dead.

    Site Admin: Good point and if you read Kate’s book, the word “Madeleine” appears 666 times.

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    I Don't Believe It Says:

    Take a look at the “Madeleine – One Year On” clip (about 3 or 4 down)

    http://www.mccannfiles.com/id100.html

    At 1.50 Gerry says they thought they wouldn’t be able to get in the Tapas that night…

    Why ever not? Doesn’t Kate claim in her book that they had a block booking and that in fact the reservations book indicated their party would be attending every night?

    Has Gerry been caught out in a…another misunderstanding?

    Incidentally this clip is replete with the usual mouth coverings, eye shields, mouth swallowings and nose scratchings indicative of something other than a convincing narrative.

    And yet…the UK media want us to canonise them. It’s scary beyond belief!

    Site Admin: Well spotted. The McCanns’ tissue of lies is full of this kind of discrepancy. Regarding the behaviour of the UK Media, they have been gagged with a superinjunction and cannot report certain things about the McCanns.

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    Jake Says:

    It is also possible that Madeleine walked out of the apartment, fell down the steps leading off the patio in the dark, hit her head and died,shortly after Kate discovered her body??

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    Liz Y Says:

    Hi all, Regarding the silence of the media, you can bet your sweet life that the McCanns, have a pending file as big as a house, covering EVERY aspect of this case including all the lies and discrepancies. A bit like when there is an event, good or bad, wedding or death, say, in the royal family. As soon as the event happens, the media will have it covered already, all the footage going back decades has been dragged out of the archives . I think that every journalist in the world, would want to be let off the leash on this one. The way the press have been silenced is alarming and really quite frightening, there must be a whole lot more people involved in this cover-up than first anticipated. We all have a duty to Madeleine, bless her, to be fearless and resolute, for as long as it takes. I am sure we will have our day and, personally, I can’t wait

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    margo Says:

    Could be that Madeleine was given too much of a drug that she had been given before and things went terribly wrong this time. Doubt if this child’s remains will ever be found as they could have been disposed of. Paedos shield each other and the ring closes in when one is about to be charged. Hope all this mess is brought to justice soon. No one will be surprised when facts emerge. Kate was an anaesthetist and knows drugs well. Probably on them herself and the others too.

    Site Admin: During a conversation that we had on the phone with a former police officer in Portugal, he said that Madeleine died during an act of paedophilia in apartment 5A. As there were already some allegations of possible paedophilia from the Gaspar statement, we tend to believe the former police officer’s story rather than just the use of a sedative. There is strong circumstantial evidence that sedatives were used on the children (see Fiona Payne’s statement where she describes Kate putting hands on the twins to see if they were breathing), so we cannot rule out the possibility that sedatives were used on Madeleine as well.

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    Despina Says:

    The neighbour said she heard Madeleine crying daddy daddy the night before she disappeared,could her father have been in the flat with her at that time?

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    Gavin Bolton Says:

    All of this just points in one direction, bunch of pedo’s doing terrible things to their kids, alarm bells ringing in the UK, because they were doctors in the NHS, Portuguese police just not qualified to deal with this type of crime, investigative blunders, lack of proper communication between British and Portuguese authorities, threat to tourism in Portugal, certainly a death, DNA test and dogs do not lie. So how do we get to the bottom of this, very simple set one of the MC’s up in a sex scandal and you can bet your last dollar the other will squeal like a pig. A creepy looking couple with guilt written all over themselves.

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    Gavin Bolton Says:

    Just viewed loads more interview footage on the MC’s, damn why does Mrs MC always look so guilty, no remorse just guilt and why does Mr MC look bothered and irritated. I think Mr MC was doing bad stuff to Madeleine, Mrs MC walked in on it an argument and scuffle ensued and some how Mrs MC caused the death of Madeleine, both are guilty. Now Mr MC has to cover for his wife or she spills the beans, Mr MC is guilty of a lesser disgusting crime, he is caught between a rock and a hard place, protect his wife or public loss of credibility (pedo). Mrs MC knew all along about the pedo stuff, it probably started off as an innocent thing such as baby bounces on daddy’s lap, he gets a woody, mommy laughs, daddy however becomes aroused. This happens many times, Mrs MC laughs but deep down inside she is concerned. At some point Mr MC makes reference to the goings on to one of his male friends, and it becomes a little side joke amongst the Tapas 9. However the end result is no joke. Clearly a bigger plan was put into place to remove the body from the apartment, various eyewitness accounts allude to this, the MC’s went to the local church and confessed to the priest, however they sold it as an accident, omitting to reveal the pedo stuff, the priest assisted in the removal of the body and the burial. MC’s now feel absolved of their crime and can now peddle the “Madeleine was abducted” story.

    Site Admin: Gavin, a magician gets away with his trick by the use of misdirection. It’s what we don’t see that holds the key rather than what we see and have been told by the Tapas 9.

    For instance, the trip to Huelva was a complete nonsensical affair because the town was closed for a public holiday on that day. It had been schedule for the previous day but Gerry cried it off because of some belly ache problem. That effectively stopped the media from following them because the media felt that the trip was cancelled altogether. When the McCanns (complete with Jon Corner, a cameraman and possibly John McCann) went to Huelva the following day, there was no media entourage following them.

    In the Panorama documentary “The Mystery of Madeleine McCann” aired on November 19, 2007, Jon Corner showed footage of the car boot with posters in it but curiously he didn’t answer “no” when asked if Madeleine was in that car boot. He simply said that the boot was full of posters and they went to Huelva to increase awareness.

    Another curiosity is that Jon Corner said that Huelva was used as a base for his film crew. Well, Huelva is not a location with an airport so presumably he had to fly in to Faro and then drive east to Huelva if it was a base (opposite direction to Praia da Luz). But why would he do that when his best friends (the McCanns) were west of Faro in Praia da Luz? Also, what does “base” in the context of two men and a video camera mean?

    Many people who cannot accept the notion that the McCanns (with or without helpers) moved a dead body, always cite that there was this intense media scrum around them at all times. The Huelva trip proves that this is a fallacy. The heat was on in that week. The PJ turned up at the McCanns’ villa with the dogs and they effectively booted them out of the villa with no notice. Is this why Gerry suddenly got the trots?

    Clearly, if the McCanns knew Huelva would be closed due to a public holiday it would make no sense in going there. But it does make sense going there if something was prepared to happen there. Jon Corner’s filming was an effective smokescreen to prove that the car boot did not hold anything other than posters. However, it proves nothing. Without a continuous film showing the entire trip to Huelva there are some many wonderous things that can happen with a video editing suite.

    Some things do not make sense at all – Corner’s use of Huelva as a “base” is one of them.

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    Gavin Bolton Says:

    I still maintain, set the MC’s up against each other, and one of them will spill the beans. This is a terrible crime against an innocent child, everything must be done to get to the bottom of this, or these two monsters will never ever be held accountable. To hell with legalities, the gagging orders, the limited accessing of the investigation files, go after the MC’s, they and only they know the ugly truth.

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    margo Says:

    The chain seems to be getting a weak link. Just wait for it to beak and all hell will break loose. Justice for Madeleine may not be far away.

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    Liz Y Says:

    I don’t believe it, Another false dawn then? Bastards!

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    i dont know Says:

    I always thought that there was something not right about the story, did they ever say why the hell the bairns were left alone in the room? Could they not get room service as a mum I would not even think bout doing something as stupid! I am really interested in this story. But in a way I don’t think that she is dead I think it may just be a scam to get cash and that she is in hiding somewhere! Come on I have seen the pictures of them smiling could you really be that happy if your baby girl was missing or even worse dead? Come on they got free holidays, food, house, fame and fortune! Like the woman not so long ago who pretended her daughter was in a hot air balloon to get attention when really she was in a house hiding! I don’t know what really happened and I don’t think we ever will but I pray that maddie is safe and that no harm has and will come to her she is a beautiful little girl who didn’t deserve any of this bless her xx

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    Ricardo Says:

    Dogs don’t lie. McCanns do.

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    Bex Says:

    I never have been able to get my head around the whole case, but what puzzles me most of all are the looks on Kate and Gerry’s faces. She looks terrified, guilty, grief stricken as you would expect any mother in the same situation to look, yet he looks smug – like he knows a secret and is having the last laugh. As a mother I want nothing more than for the two of them to be innocent as I can not imagine any parent doing to a child what it has been suggested they have done, but the whole thing screams of conspiracy. For the sake of poor little Maddie, somebody please tell the truth.

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    lyn Says:

    Dogs do the job they are trained for and have nothing to hide.

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    Sophie Says:

    I Think That there is a possibility she was abducted seeing as the mcCanns friend saw a man holding a child but you never no gerry and kate might of told someone to dispose the body.!! why wouldnt kate answer the questions!!

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    margo Says:

    The child was dressed like Madeleine. Was she alive? Anything is possible judging by the lies the Mcs and Co have told. They do have something to hide. Been a while now and perhaps time is running out.

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    bazil Says:

    To be honest I have giveb up on the Daily Mail, it seems to be that they will not print any posts that are not supportive of the Mccans. Totally biased. I have saud for a long time that there is more to this case than meets the eye, ther must be some very important persons involved with this case which is why the Mccans are getting so much support from the UK government, Keep digging for the truth and get these murderers on trial

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    Bazil Brush Says:

    Your quite right, she died in the apartment, and I can tell you why, I can give you all the motive that no one else have thought of. Years ago we had a pedophile in our village and he had adopted an Indian girl who was mentally retarded, at the age of 14 she had the mind of a child of about 6 and she was starting to talk to local people about games that she and this Peado was playing, she thought it was all a bit of fun. Now this child Maddie was growing up and what I say is she was starting to talk about certain activity that was going on. The McCanns then realized that they were in danger from this child talk and were faced with one of two choices, let things carry on and be found out and face many years in jail or save their future skins by disposing of the child. Well what about that for a motive

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    Bazil Brush Says:

    Sophie, And all the rest of you get this, she was not abducted, any woman wanting to abduct a child would have gone for one of, or the two babies, younger the better. She was murdered by her parent, and as I stated earlier, the motive was to shut her up because she was starting to innocently talk about Peado activity that she was being subject to.

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    margo Says:

    Well said, Bazil, hit the nail on the head. Mcs and Co surely must have something to hide and as for the British Govt, wasn’t a member (can’t remember his name) accused of having stuff on his computer, etc. Corruption in high places here!

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    David Marks Says:

    Don’t accept the detective’s ideas. I think he may have understandably rearranged the pieces of the jigsaw into the wrong under while facing huge pressure and scrutiny, the like of which many major European city homicide teams would struggle under, never mind a provincial detective with allegations of wrong doing and a demotion under his belt…

    If Madeleine is alive…
    • And the abductor is married, his wife would have to be extremely submissive, OR,
    • Lacking knowledge of the abductor’s business and property dealings – in other words, Madeleine is kept away from the regular family home.
    • And the abductor is single, he is likely to live alone, or with an elderly parent.
    • Their character must be that of a loner, socially maladjusted, lacking social ties. Unlikely to be an elderly man, or a teenage man. Surely the location that she is kept in must be a detached property or one with a lot of privacy.
    My ideas:
    • Unconvinced about this international abduction ring. Prone to believing this is a local issue. In fact the local landscape is full of detached, isolated properties, that could host MM with secrecy.
    • Furthermore, given the nature of the Algarve communities – small isolated villages — I’m prone to believe that the solution is very local. Within 10KM. Abductor likely to come from Luz or surrounding villages. Likely to have connections/strong knowledge of the Ocean club.
    • Due to the public nature of this event, very unlikely MM has ever been out in public – and lives a very limited, harsh existence.
    • Big fear that due to public nature of event — strong chance of homicide having taken place even if not originally planned.
    • Unsure of motive – but likely to be sexual, and the abductor is likely to be a paedophile. May be lacking any sexual convictions as such, but may have an history of domestic and./or sexual abuse of spouse, or certainly child abuse with previous born children.
    • Children of abductor likely to be socially maladjusted.
    • Abductor likely to be relatively prosperous to afford detached property with adjusted interior.
    • May have a history of mental illness, yet has seemingly reformed.
    • Could be socially conservative, family man, to most onlookers – with deeply harboured negative desires beneath.

    Reply: There has never been any evidence that Madeleine was alive after being reported missing. There is no evidence of abduction and never has been any. There is evidence suggesting that Madeleine was not alive on May 3, 2007. Analysing abduction is a complete waste of time. The analysis should focus on the lies and inconsistent stories offered by the parents and their friends.

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    anon Says:

    I’m beginning to think it doesn’t matter. I feel sorry for the McCann’s and don’t really blame them. That’s not to say that I think they are removed from guilt. But I think, well, it happened, and the girl is gone, and the McCann’s are in a very sad situation, and I think they always were. I think it’s a very serious situation, but they know more about serious than anyone. Oh, I suppose it is cult or sect related, and it’s very, very sad, and they, more than anyone, are very, very sad. Of course, as they still have children, my response, in the first instance, may be thought not acceptable. But, it’s not in the first instance. And the truth is far too hard to deal. Far, far, far too hard. So it doesn’t really matter.

    Reading the questions of the Portugese police here, I think they were probably trying to do a very good job. But then the British government wouldn’t send them the evidence they needed, simply didn’t agree to give phone records and so on, and got involved to warn them against going for the McCanns. And the McCann’s, actually very troubled, whatever happened, can’t answer. At the end of the day, yes, after that, they did OK anyway. I think they know much more than it seems, but are helpless, or have decided they are not able, whether they are right or not, that’s how it truly seems to them. I think they actually support the McCanns, largely, most of them, excluding Gonzalo. And I think there are reasons. Beyond that, well, I think it doesn’t matter, for one reason, because there simply is no, no, getting beyond that, nor for the British police. When everything is like that, I just think “it doesn’t matter” to pop up might be something natural. It’s not the world some might have thought it was. It’s awful, and so sad, but that’s also meaningless, absolutely, unless Godot comes.

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    anon Says:

    … That’s not saying I’m against Gonzalo particularly or at all. He has a deep feeling from an investigation. I just think the whole thing has a different nature, and the whole thing, as a vast, vast, vast social issue involving huge numbers of people in some way, actually brings out something to do with the beast in society. And it’s kind of impossible. And it matters, but it doesn’t matter. And it matters. It doesn’t matter.

    I do mean, by deep analysis, not that one has to or it is best to conclude ‘it doesn’t matter’, but it’s the most appropriate option. I know people may be offended or disgusted by that. But, the whole thing, it’s a deep, deep thing. It seems, there is no bottom. Nothing to add up. Nothing, anywhere, adds up.

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    anon Says:

    Yet, it matters. At the same time. Of course. I think I’d been eaten by maybe Hotel California. And I needed to write the two comments above. And they hold true. While, it matters. (Sorry if they upset.)

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    anon Says:

    … You see, how I started – what’s the point?

    Mentioning one “tiny” part – a child sexual abuse record by Gerry McCann has gone missing from the records.

    Reported at Good Quality Wrist Bands blog,
    http://goodqualitywristbands.blogspot.com/,
    text taken there from a Twitter post.

    “Gerry McCann was convicted for child sex abuses in 2002, althought the evidence has been hacked and emptied from the case file by someone who has access to the National Sex Offenders Register, namely Jim Gamble though the CEOP mainframe connected to every police station crime files in the UK, the reference for this conviction still exists in the judiscial reference files and confiemes that Gerald P McCann was placed on the Child Sex Offenders Register following conviction in court, and is still on that register today! .”

    Are there all kinds of rings going on?

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    lou1970 Says:

    Seriously was gerry mccann put on sex offenders register ????

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    Olivia lawrence Says:

    I came across Gerry M in the local hairdressers, I had seen both the parents around as I live in the same village. I have always been very intuitive and at times psychic since a child. I saw him and felt nothing …….but as he stood up and was about a foot away and As he looked at me and smiled I was filled with I can only describe it as a dark feeling that came over me ….and the strangest feeling of fear. He has an evil aura. I was taken by surprise on how it affected me.
    I was initially in support…… since our encounter I’m convinced he’s involved.
    Think about it, they have to keep up this pretence for the twins, if they found out what really happened it would destroy them.
    Looking at the two of them it will be Kate that cracks he never will.

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    Ginger Snyder Says:

    The child was never abducted the dogs are trained and they alerted, she died in apartment 5A. How did she die, will I believe she was being sexually abused and drugged as this was a club or cult and these people would do things to the kids. The testimony from of one of the Tapas 7 stated that Kate was upset that Gerry was gone so long to check on the kids and the upstairs neighbor heard crying and her screaming daddy daddy. This is how she was killed, and then he stuffed the body in the blue bag and hid it away until he could get back to the restaurant and said he was watching the football game as Kate was annoyed he was gone so long. Then she went to check on the kids and discovers Madeleine is gone. David Payne and Gerry may have been abusing the little girl as there stories and the tennis story and the going out on the boat is just a cover. With your information in the comments that Gerry had been convicted in 2002 of pedophilia, they would use the cases against the parents. She either died from an overdose of medicine or sexual abuse that traumatized the little girl. I keep wondering how the blood got behind the couch unless she had been hidden there and in the wardrobe, just the strangest circumstances when you follow the blood. The parents are beyond guilty, the mothers have the clothes alerted to her and to the little girl and cuddle cat, just really too sad for words.

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    tony Says:

    with freemasons running the show these perverted people will never be dealt with ,poss if they die

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