“Madeleine died in the apartment”

Pre-publication

Inspector Amaral

‘CM’ [Correio da Manhã] today starts the exclusive publication of excerpts from the book by Gonçalo Amaral, who believes that Madeleine McCann died inside the apartment at Praia da Luz. The episode of the holidays in 2005, in Mallorca – which raises suspicions about a friend of the couple – and the DNA results are the first parts.

“Madeleine Beth McCann, aged two and a half, and her twin siblings, at that time only a few months old, go away on holidays in the company of the parents, on the island of Mallorca. Three other couples of doctors and their children go along with them. […] S. G. had attended the university in Dundee, between 1987 and 1992, where he met the future mother of Madeleine. K. G. only met Gerry McCann on his wedding with Kate Healy, around 1998, in Liverpool. After that event, the couple S.G. and K.G. become intimate friends with Madeleine’s parents, meeting often, spending weekends together, keeping in touch over the phone.

On the third or fourth night in Mallorca, after dinner, eating and drinking, while sitting around a table on the patio outside the house, K.G. watches a scene that makes her fear for her daughter’s wellbeing, and that of the other children. She was sitting between Gerry McCann and David Payne, when she heard the latter ask whether she, maybe referring to Madeleine, would do ‘this’, then starting to suck on one of his fingers, which he pushed in and out of his mouth, insinuating a phallic object, while at the same time, with the fingers of his other hand, he traced circles around his nipple, in a provocative and sexual manner. At the moment when K.G. looked at Gerry McCann and David Payne with stupefaction, a nervous silence took place. Then everyone continued to chat as if nothing had happened. This episode left K.G. with serious doubts about David Payne’s relationship with children. On another occasion, K.G. would once again see David Payne making the same gestures, this time while speaking about his own daughter. During that holiday period, it was the fathers who usually bathed the children, but from that moment on, K.G. never allowed David Payne to come close to her daughter. After those holidays in Mallorca, K.G. only met David and Fiona Payne on one occasion, and has not spoken to them since.

[…] What is written above was reported to the English police on the 16th of May 2007, only thirteen days after the disappearance of Madeleine, by the couple S. G. and K. G. It was information that was important and pertinent for the investigation. Yet, nothing was transmitted to the Portuguese police.

[…] I think that it was only after I left the investigation, maybe in late October 2007, that K.G.’s deposition was sent to the Portuguese police. It is legitimate to ask: for what reason did the English police, apparently, conceal that testimony for six months? When did they find out that David Payne, who had organized the trip to Mallorca, and who had been signaled with anomalous behaviour towards children, was the same who organized the trip to Portugal, that he was part of the holiday group in the village of Luz where Madeleine had been integrated, that he was the first family friend who could be seen at Kate McCann’s side after the child’s disappearance (as seen further ahead) and that on the date of the deposition he was still in Portugal, and could be confronted with these statements?

[…] In early September, a few days before the McCann couple was constituted as arguidos, Superintendent Stuart Prior travels to Portimão. He brings a first preliminary report [from the forensics lab in Birmingham], and comes to discuss the state of the investigation with us. During a meeting in our office, with the Portuguese and the English investigation teams, Stuart shows his disappointment with the results of the tests. This is where the saga of the FSS reports starts. We read the report and we do not agree with Stuart’s disappointment. The blood residues that were collected from the floor, behind the sofa in apartment 5A, as well as the blood residues that were recovered from the boot of the car that was used by the McCanns, are the issue. We talk about blood residues because the CSI dog is trained to detect only that bodily fluid. The reports that were used to based the decision on, which were written by experts Mark Harrison and Martin Grime, are clear: the CSI dog was used to locate human blood. The Low Copy Number, the technique that is used to determine the DNA from those samples, does not determine from which bodily fluid the DNA comes from. In the first case, it can be read that an incomplete DNA result was obtained, because the sample contained little information, presenting low level DNA indications that come from more than one person. But all the DNA components that are confirmed, match the corresponding components from Madeleine’s DNA profile!

Concerning the second case, after an explanation about the DNA components of Madeleine’s profile, and concluding that it is represented by 19 alleles, it is concluded that 15 are present in the tested sample. This means that 4 alleles are missing to obtain a 100% conclusive match. According to the experts from that lab, those 15 were not enough to conclude, with a high degree of certainty, that we were looking at Madeleine’s DNA profile, even more so because the Low Copy Number found 37 components in the sample. Those 37 components were apparently there because at least three individuals had contributed to that result. Although 15 components from Madeleine’s DNA profile had been found, the result was considered to be complex.

But this first preliminary report went further. In it, the scientist had the unusual care of explaining that in many of the profiles of the lab experts, elements from Madeleine’s DNA profile are present. This means that a good part of the DNA profile of any person can be built by three donors. It is understandable. Two questions were immediately raised. The first one: what use was a DNA profile, in terms of criminal evidence, if it can be the combination of three or more donors.

The other question was simple: why did the DNA profile from those three donors contribute for 15 components of Madeleine’s DNA profile and not that of anyone else, like for example, the scientist who performed the test? But the surprises from the preliminary reports would go even further. […]”

90 Responses to ““Madeleine died in the apartment””

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    margo Says:

    After reading what has been said re the Mallorca holiday – a very serious situation was apparent then re D. Payne. All coming out now isn’t it. Perhaps Madeleine had a bad life for all we know!! All the lies, and strange happenings after Madeleine vanished could have been a cover-up for a murder. IMHO. Madeleine looked a sad child and out on a limb in family photos. Something was not just right in that family.

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    Tony Says:

    Hi Mr.Goncalo

    Sorry, Goncalo I try find why you said this wrong information. Madeleine was abducted and that is
    truth what happened in apartment 5A. Another truth continue in Praia Da Luz and in the Portugal after she was kidnapped by two+one suspects. That is holly truth about, what really happened on 3rd of May 2007. They are also clever men, how to use false dead sense to give you headache for your report. I have got a special question about what is truth and you will have to answer to me agree?

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    Victoria Greyh Says:

    I’m looking for the video that plays Madeleine’s crying and reference to Maddy being left alone the night before she went missing.. can you tell me where to find that? Thank You

    Site Admin: The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEurCP1GGiU

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    MONALISA Says:

    There is DEFINITELY something Kate and Gerry are hiding… Whether she died in their apartment is one thing – but, I doubt very much that the ‘9’ of them could see ‘everything’ from the Tapas Bar!!! ~And, why wash Cuddle Cat????

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    AMANDA Says:

    I THINK DAVID PAYNE WAS THE ONE THAT MURDERED HER AND CARRIED HER BODY OUT AND DUMPED IT SOMEWHERE. I THINK HE RAPED HER, BUT UNFORTANETLY ALSO KILLED HER BY STRANGLING HER WHEN SHE STARTED CRYING. HE SHUTTED HER UP BECAUSE HE WAS SCARED SHE MIGHT WAKE THE TWINS UP. NOT IN ANY NEWSPAPER THAT I`VE READ HERE IN SOUTH AFRICA IT SAID THAT DAVID CAME BACK TO THE TAPAS BAR BEFORE KATE WENT TO GO LOOK IF AL 3 HER CHILDREN WERE STILL FINE. MR GONCALO PLEASE QUESTIONS THIS MAN ( DAVID PAYNE AGAIN AND AGAIN )PLEASE !!!

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    cassie Says:

    Agree with what Amanda has posted. Reckon the group were part of a certain type of group too. Had been doing it for years. People like this are around. Why has David Payne been investigated…because he has friends in high places, and so do the others.

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    zella Says:

    I totally agree with Amanda the investigators must qeustin each and every one of them again and again sooner or later someone will crack…..

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    loulou Says:

    I have always been highly suspicious of the mcanns, when maddy first went missing, in the first crucial hours, they wouldnt realease information on what she was wearing, they wouldnt talk to the press to get the information out there. That is not normal behaviour of parents whose child has gone missing. Heck you would be begging and pleading for help, she was only four years old, which would make any parent highly frantic, as she was at a very helpless vulnerable age. And yet a week or two in they are flying to meet the pope in rome? what in gods name was that all about? madeleine is missing in PORTUGAL and they fly to ROME? you would be scouring the streets, houses, roads, beaches of portugal, not flying to rome to ask the pope for a prayer!! I really am not convinced by these two, just because they hold responsible jobs does not make them viable saints, and now they are asking for more money to help find maddy?? Im not even going to elaborate on what I think happened to her, I really do not have any idea, but what I do know is there is something as I said in beginning very suspicious about the mcanns and thats a fact. The portugese police were made into scapegoats

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    STEPHEN ANDREW PERSAUD Says:

    There was an earthquake off the south coast of England
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7266136.stm

    http://www.travellerspoint.com/forum.cfm?thread=38683&start=11&rows=10

    The whole of the south of England was discussing it and the implications for 2012
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-11210738

    MI5 and the Masonic Lodge wanted to put an end to that topic of discussion (earthchanges/mayan calendar 2012) and distract the British public………so they thought they would get a little blonde cherubin girl (who looks like Drew Barrymore in ET) to go missing and tug at everyone’s heart strings.

    The plan was probably to get her doctor parents to drug her and then she was to be kept in a safe house for a few weeks…. she would have been released by her care takers (MI5 handlers) in a public place ….. like a shopping centre……

    Some unsuspecting member of the public would then point out this crying child to a policeman and then it would have been all over the news…worldwide…she together with her parents would have been like the Chilean miners (http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=5145)
    ………celebrities doing the rounds of news ….chat shows and probably visits to presidents and popes…she would have had her own series……she would have been turned into a brand like a real live Dora the explora………we would never hear the end of it….and we would have forgotten about the Earthquake in Britain …….as most people have

    The trouble is they (her parents) probably gave her too much of the sedative and she died as a result…

    When ever has a child abduction had so much attention and support from news paper editors the bbc …sky news CNN….prominent public figures.( http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/history/famous-cases/the-lindbergh-kidnapping)……usually a child goes missing…. it gets 30 seconds at the end of the news…and then a few days later the poor child is found sexually assaulted and dead ……because the pervert acts on an over whelming impulse and does not have time to plan an abduction like he was a member of the SAS………..

    The publicity campaign was driven from the “Top” down…..not the other way around……and the only reason Clarence Mitchell stepped in to be their spokesperson was because they were becoming less and less convincing………….Clarence Mitchell might as well wear a badge say “MI5 Plumber” (to stem the leaks).
    Clarence Mitchell, formerly boss of the Labour government’s Media Monitoring Unit,

    The Investigating detective soon picked up on all the inconsistencies……………..

    http://truthformadeleine.com/

    http://www.madeleinefoundation.org.uk/

    And now once again the same military intelligence cabals are trying to distract from the fact that Iceland looks like it might start to erupt again……
    http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=39&p=316924

    And also there’s the possibility that the “ring of fire” may explode and lead to a “nuclear winter” :
    http://notrickszone.com/2010/11/05/der-spiegel-geologists-warn-mega-eruption/

    That is why the Generals daughter (who married an MI5 Tibetan specialist who lectured at oxford and she (Aung_San_Suu_Kyi) was also groomed by an MI6 soroptimist “blue rinse” Dame of the realm) has just been released with all the fanfare of the return of a messiah.

    As well as the couple (who under instructions from MI6 went for a sailing “holiday” in the most dangerous waters on the planet)…..have just been released…….they are all ploys to keep the general public unaware of the massive geophysical changes that are and will continue to take place …….and intensify………

    DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE….

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    AnthonyS Says:

    Why, if McCann found she had “vanished from the apartment” did he not run immediately to the restaurant to get his friends to help look for her?
    Why was her DNA discovered in a car which he did not hire until after her alleged abduction?
    Is the answer to it all that they know she is dead and that her body will never be found?
    Could that be the reason why they continue to try to con the public and the media that she might still be alive?
    Have they run out of money again and fear their lifestyle may change unless their coffers fill up again?
    I do not know what happened to Maddie, but as sure as eggs are eggs, there is something very suspicious about her parents.

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    stephen persaud Says:

    I use to own a german shepherd dog and when i went shopping in tesco he would be tied up by the window where I could see him and I would be looking to see if he was there every few seconds……..and this was an Alsation….and I was still more worried about him bieng abducted than those two fakes………how on earth if you have the chance of putting your beloved child in a creche or have a baby sitter (both availabe from the hotel complex) do you say “no its ok…we’re having lunnch on the other side of the tennis courts” we will check every 20 minutes………..they are full of shit

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    loulou Says:

    Yes there are other things going on in the world, but this is a forum to discuss madeleine mccann, I dont think anybody is trying to take anything away from any other subject! I have a whole bunch of views on alot that has happened recently in the world, as Im sure other people here do, its just we are discussing this. As the mcanns have yet again put themselves in the spotlight, I think its time the press stopped viewing them as innocent victims, and now start twitching eyebrows! Now they are going to be writing a book, and have spoken to jk rowlings publisher, where and how do these people get such influential people on side! Im totally bewildered by the power they seem to have, and a little sickened to. They need the money apparently, hmph, how about they get off their backsides and do a little search of their own! well it will be the first time they have! Not ONCE when madeleine vanished did I see either of them go looking for her, and if they say its because of the other 2 children utter balderdash, they were leaving the children regularly throughout the holiday!
    I have read the detectives book, and there is nothing fantasist about it, he never said they did it, he just pointed out inconsistencies in there stories, and quite frankly it should be published!

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    cassie Says:

    Thought do come to mind that someone was with the children in the apartments and something went terribly wrong! Unthinkable though that children can be left alone…what about fire for instance.

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    AnthonyS Says:

    I had an evening with two English detectives last night and it was put to me, that if the McCanns and the friends they were with, were all put into separste rooms at the time, and interviewed by proper methods, we would now know where Maddie is and the McCanns would on the balance of probabilities be inside now.
    Is it too late for this to be done?
    No, I believe not as even now, with the passage of time, inconsistencies in their respective stories would show up and we might get o the bottom of it.
    In the meantime they just go on and on bewildering the public with their ability to manipulate the media.

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    linda Says:

    What if it is the truth & she was abducted..,can you imagine how Heart breaking that is on top of maddie missing with everyone jumping on the band wagon..I usually get a gut feeling about stuff like this & the recent 2 murders in the uk,when these people were on tv pleading for help I felt that it did not ring true ,I stuck with this feeling , telling my family at the time of course.Only to be proved right , Now I have seen Kate & Gerry on TV a few times…& my honest gut feelings are that Kate is absolutely destroyed by this & Gerry I think is consumed by Guilt & Thats due to not checking on Maddie enough or leaving her in a Vunerable place where someone took advantage , Not because he harmed her or killed her..Apart from that theres another thing that bothers me its about The soham killer /Huntly…he had abducted & killed two little girls ,to cut a long story short…..when the case was winding down…it was revealed that some of the officers involved in the case were viewing child pornography on the net & I think they were arrested at the time & obviously charged but I don,t know the outcome….I sometimes wonder if there may be a cover up of some kind..not sure about that as I have not seen any of these people on Tv…..just a thought.imo.

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    linda Says:

    yes please notify me..thank you ..from linda

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    lolou Says:

    well I think there is a little more to detective work than gut feeling! If that was the case no crime would go unsolved! To be right once doesnt mean you are going to be right all the time. that is very very naive assumption. without prejudice

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    Liz Y Says:

    I wonder how all this will end. Will the McCann’s be tottering around on Zimmer Frames, rattling their collection tins, whilst toting a picture of what Madeleine would look like now she’s 60 , if she hadn’t died, which she did. When do the odious McCann’s call it quits. I am sure the collection pot is getting smaller by he minute. What are they doing with other people’s money. Just waiting for one of their buddies to take time out on holiday and report a sighting of a woman with her head in curlers and wearing surgical stockings whilst pulling a natty tartan pullalong covered in Madeleine stickers.
    Why not thank everybody for their donations, and call it a day – 5 years on and nothing, because there is NOTHING, we know it and they do. But, Oh, Oh, wait a moment, stop receiving donations from some people who can ill afford it, not being feted as Celebrities and VIPs, not getting Mortgage payments, not having crack legal teams to save their padded little arses, which probably haven’t got anything to do with kidnap advice. just Extradition Advice (What for?) Slander and Libel Defamation Advice and so on. If they’ve done nothing wrong, wouldn’t you think all these extras could be churned into one Madeleine recovery fund? I have to say that I hope what you created Gerry and Kate, The Golden Goose who lays golden eggs. Will bring about your downfall and I personally can’t wait.

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    lisa Says:

    i have 3 children under the age of 6 and there is no way i would ever have left them on their own to go and eat bloody tapas! i wouldnt even trust a baby sitter from the service that the complex provided to look after my children as it would be a stranger.
    what the hell is wrong with these people! when we go on holiday we do everything with our kids then put them to bed, later than normal, then we stay in!
    oh and just to add, i am a 26 yr old full time mum, my partner works full time but we are working class, if it was us that had left our kids then im sure we would have been charged with neglect

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    loulou Says:

    it has always amazed me they have never been questioned as to why they left three children alone in an apartment in a foreign country, noone else would get away with it and I dont see why they have. this case has stank from the start…….

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    Liz Y Says:

    loulou , you’re right it’s smelt like an fetid open sewer and rats everywhere from the outset. But the rats called the McCanns came out, once again, smelling of roses. The only difference between the rats and the Mccanns, is that rats make excellent parents.
    There is of course, the odd rat who does a bad thing, and he surrounds himself with ‘Upper Class’ rats, and he has fine food and wine. He doesn’t even have to feed his family, or pay for his own sewer. His friends take care of him, they assure him that his life will be good, he doesn’t care about his family. He sold his SOUL for money made on his fellows in the sewer.
    In time, these upper class rats tire of him and he becomes an embarrassment. But he still tries to rattle his tin at every opportunity. Poor old Rat, didn’t make the grade. Only politicians and other liars get to the inner sanctum. The moral: if it talks like a rat, and acts like a rat, then it is a Rat

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    loulou Says:

    and like rats liz, someone will always feed them, knowingly or not!……….

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    John Quinlan Says:

    How two people can earn a living from a missing daughter is beneath contempt. Those two deserve no sympathy and if there is a God, they will both burn in hell for eternity. For the sake of a few pounds for a babysitter they lost a daughter, I hope that the bottle of wine they bought instead tasted good.

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    Liz Y Says:

    Loulou, If The Rats we are talking of go hungry, they’ll steal off their fellows. They are truly putrid, without conscience or morals, flog their granny for a button. They call each other the Rt honourable this and that. They wouldn’t know honourable if it jumped up and bit them on the arse. They are not in positions because they’re honourable, they’re there because they will tread on everyone and everything, to get to the top. The phrase ‘Birds of a feather flock together’ comes to mind. It speaks volumes that Liar is not a word allowed in the Commons.
    They treat us with thinly veiled contempt, Gerry’s face drips with it, how dare we peasants have an opinion or (Worse) a voice. All they are really concerned is keeping Gerry and Kate out of the dock of the Old Bailey, for a reason I can’t begin to understand. All we are concerned about is what happened to a baby, because that’s all she was, a beautiful, innocent and pure baby girl. Who, if all’s to be believed, was sullied and degraded by Paedo Payne, which was bad enough, but far, far, worse than that, by her own father.
    There is something filthy and unspeakable going on here.

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    camille Says:

    Its obvious that there was something evil going on with the group. Payne is protected and others too, which is what seems to be happening. Why, is the burning question. Does the group have friends in high places? Could be the answer.

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    Liz Y Says:

    That is another thing I cannot, for the life of me understand, given the Tapas’s record for claiming damages, suing newspapers and Goncalo… Why, oh why, hasn’t there been a lawsuit from Payne AND Gerry, about the paedophile accusations of two people who have absolutely no need to lie. Instead deadly silence.
    Paedophilia knows no bounds it involves doctors, barristers, judges, bin men etc. It spreads it’s malignant tentacles where it will, mostly anonymously. Its only victims will forever be children. In which case they need locking up forever, nothing is going to be changed by a spell in prison.
    Even if Payne and Gerry only spoke of it, whomever evil thinks, evil does.

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    camille Says:

    Absoluelty agree. Silence speaks oceans of words. Any other person accused of such would be suing or making a complaint. Instead we have silecen. Speaks for itself.

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    Despina Vekris Says:

    I think the church in Portagal should be checked.How on earth did the dogs manage to get the scent in the hired car .I have had different dogs over the years and one even manage to smell cancer in a young family member and lay his head in the correct place and barked That was before the person even looked unwell so iam 100%sure those dogs were correct,Thank goodness there are people like Tony Bennet who isnt afraid to speak

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    Louise Says:

    I’m more and more convinced of the guilt of the Mccanns with each passing day. They have obviously been hiding something from the start,it is blatantly obvious from the interviews. I pray someone will crack and the truth will come out eventually. That poor child. Rest in peace Madeleine.

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    Liz Y Says:

    On the fourth anniversary of your death God bless you little Madeleine, and keep you safe in Heaven. Sadly your folks won’t be joining you there.

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    Amy Says:

    I have always smelt a rat in this horrendous case of ‘child abduction’. The McCaans are both GPs therefore more than capable of anything, they know all too well the effects of Calpol! I dont see them being very distressed throughout this ordeal…and why would a loving mother, who missed her daughter, wash her daughters favourite cuddle toy, the cuddle cat ???? Why?? Poor Madeleine….she did not deserve any of this, cruelty, neglect…yes neglect…who on earth in their right minds leaves their 3 children – a 2 y/o and twin babies ALONE in a strange apartment whiles they go off having a meal and wine ????? I have no sympathy for the McCaans. JUSTICE FOR MADELEINE – THE TRUTH WILL OUT.

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    Liz Y Says:

    Have you noticed that the McCanns have always had an answer ready, excusing the bodily fluids on, ranging from dirty nappies in transit from the apartment to the villa, or leakage from meat products from a shopping trip or, discrediting the dogs who haven’t ben wrong in 200 previous cases. These are a doctor and a consultant for God’s sake, would they really be carrying dirty nappies around?? They seem to always have a ridiculous excuse to any query, and usually one that makes no sense. They have no clue how a parent of an abducted child would feel, so, they’re making it up as they go along.
    They make me feel physically sick.

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    Stacey Says:

    As a mom of two grown children and grandma to twin 2 yr old girls, I cannot imagine anyone leaving their three little ones alone in a hotel room, so they can drink at a bar. Why didn’t they party in their room? And why didn’t they just take one of the children’s grandparents or a nanny with them on vacation? They should at least be arrested and prosecuted for child neglect, abandonment, etc. I think they are involved. I would like to think otherwise, but the sniffer dogs found the truth!
    Rest in peace little Madeleine. You deserved so much better than these two idiots.

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    Sally-mary Says:

    I hope Maddie is safe, well and happy, playing somewhere in a garden. I hope whoever took her, took her because they thought she deserved better parents then the ones she had. You don’t go on holiday and leave your kids, it was not the first time they had done this, so they played a lottery game with their children.In Spain and the likes, you take your kids to the restaraunt with you, it’s a family thing!! There are so many inconsistencies with their stories and why did Kate McCann refuse to answer 48 questions, valid questions I would say!! They said they’d do a lie detector test and when a newspaper offered to pay for it, they changed their minds…well, they would wouldn’t they, I suspect they’d consider it “unreliable” the same way they rubbished off the dogs findings!

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    Nicky Says:

    Liz i totally agree, something very strange going on here. I believe Kate will crack one day and i believe it has more to do with Gerry than her. Time will tell……hopefully. RIP Maddie. 🙁

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    brian t Says:

    I BELIEVE LITTLE KATE WAS DEAD IN THE APPARTMENT,AND GERRY AND ROBERT MURAT CONSPIRED TO GET RID OF KATE.I REALLY BELIEVE THE TWO OF THEM PLACED HER IN A CLOSE BY RIVER BEING HELD DOWN WITH WEIGHTS,NEAR A DOUBLE ARCHED BRIDGE.I THINK ITS TERIBLE ACTING AS THEY KNOW NOTHING,IT’SOBVIOUS WHY THAY LEFT THEM ALONE.

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    ANgela Says:

    Totally sick of the McCanns. They look guilty and they are guilty. Why do the press give them such coverage and why on earth is the government using tax payers money to launch an inquiry. The only inquiry they need is into the McCanns themselves. They were totally negligent in their lack of care for all of theur children – leaving them alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country whilst they eat, drink and be merry. Horrible horrible selfish parents.

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    linda Says:

    I have now changed my views completely,In my opinion taking into account how some women have been known to cover up for their partners, like to turn a blind eye ,or some women know but bury it in their heads like it never happened . I have met women like this & whether its because they,ve heard their men are having affairs or something much more terrible they are capable of either covering it up altogether or pretending its not happening at all.. Hope i,m really wrong, but who knows , seems as the case was not investigated in a properly in the very first instant then unfortunately anything is possible…The Payne Charachter definately needs thoroughly investigating…

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    Jacob Collins Says:

    How could Kate and Gerry have killed Madeleine? Kate and Gerry struggled for children and Madeleine was their dearest wish. If they realised how much of a struggle it was to have children; then why did they have Sean and Amelie or why not put Madeleine up for adoption. With all the media craze at the time of Madeleine’s abduction, I do not think it would be possible for the McCanns to hide Madeleine’s body, especially with the searches conducted by Portugease police. I beleive that Kate McCann’s book ‘Madeleine’ is true and ‘the faked abduction’ is fiction. People are blinded by the truth, they have tried to put the fear of the serious crime of child abudction aside by blaming it on Madeleine’s parents, when there is NO strong evedince. The Portugease police told Kate not to look sad in front of the camera as it would give the abductor of Madeleine some sort of ‘pleasure’ look at the recent case of Shannon Matthews (England) and Kiesha Abrahams (Australia). Their parents cried and cried and begged for their daughter’s return when it turns out that Kiesha was murdered by her mother and Shannon’s abduction faked by her Mum, if you ask me, Kate and Gerry McCann are innocent of any crime and I totally support their view of Madeleine’s tragic story.

    Site Admin: Who said Kate and Gerry killed Madeleine? In England in July 2010 it was reported that Andrew Case killed his wife and two daughters after spending large sums of money on IVF treatment to have a family. Case was debt ridden and there are suggestions that the McCanns were struggling financially. Money has always been a motive for crimes involving homicide. Believe what you like about the two books but as you say yourself – people are blinded by the truth. Perhaps you need to pay Specsavers a visit.

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    loulou Says:

    yes a trip to specsavers is most definitley needed! Ive watched the filmed evidence of the cadaver dog that smelt death behind the couch, I also viewed the happy family footage of jerry mCcann turning the air blue when questioned about spending time with a whole load of kids for a week! these two jerry and kate throw up more questions bout themselves than answer them. and I stand by what I have said previously, why the heck would you go to visit the pope in rome, when your 4yr old daughter is missing in portugal, aswell as the usual leaving the kids alone in that apartment. jeez just the accident waiting to happen with a 4yr old and two 18mth olds alone is concern enough! as a footnote, do you know how difficult it is to get an audience with the pope!

    Site Admin: The Rome trip was most likely a diversion while people were doing things back in Praia da Luz. All the media were concentrating on that Papal visit when it is possible that Madeleine’s body was being moved in Portugal without the media glare. The story about checking the children was a fabricated story because it doesn’t make sense. Who would leave an apartment deliberately left open and unlocked with possessions such as children, passports, money, clothes, camera etc. in there? The child checking story is a botched story made up very quickly to cover for what really happened.

  41. 41
    Liz Y Says:

    Jacob, Where to start, you state that the McCanns were told by the police, not to show any emotion to the ‘kidnappers’, well that didn’t stop them a few days later, coming out of church all smiles, which disturbed me and a lot of my acquaintances, it just doesn’t sit right that if you believe your daughter is in the hands of paedophiles you just COULDN’T do that, unless you’re a psychopath. The police also begged them not to go public about Madeleine’s eye defect, for fear of endangering her life, as she would have been recognizable and therefore too hot to handle alive. They might have taken the first police advice seriously but not the bit about saving her life. When the LOOK logo came out with Madeleine’s eye defect incorporated into to it, Gerry said something along the lines of, well it could have put her in danger, but it was a brilliant marketing ploy, That is not natural, but then it’s not natural to allow Payne to make sexual comments about your daughter, if the Gaspars are to be believed (and I can’t see what they have to gain by lying).
    I wonder if you have a daughter, and if your daughter was abducted, would you not be out searching with the Resort employees, holidaymakers, locals, well into the night, going out of your mind. Instead they went to bed, and they’ve never searched physically since. Would you also, having lost your daughter to paedophiles, leave your babies in the flat or leave them to attend the daily creche, every day, only yards away from where there big sister had disappeared? Also how could they have the presence of mind to organise publicity and a fund in a few days.
    There is loads and loads more stuff to support what we’re saying, so why don’t you:
    a). Research your subject before you criticise what we are about. b). Crawl back under your stone.
    or, c). Make a donation to the Madeleine fund, then politely ask them why they’re spending peoples hard earned cash on expert lawyers, including an extradition expert, and family expenses like mortgage payments. You have a good day ye hear!!

  42. 42
    Jacob Collins Says:

    Well I am sorry Liz but that is my view I do not think the McCann’s commited a crime at all I may have got my facts a little muddled up in my first comment but why would Madeleine’s parent’s spend millions of pounds searching for her if they had covered up her murder, it may not have been neccesarlily them who commited the crime but to me if I was in that situation I would eventually crack and not be able to pretend that I’m looking for my daughter or spending money on funding the search for her, read Kate McCann’s book ‘Madeleine’ the TRUE account of what has happened.

  43. 43
    Liz Y Says:

    Jacob, Please don’t apologise, you can’t help being misguided. Now, just run that past me again, why would Madeleine’s parents spend millions searching for her? Maybe, Jacob, you have slightly missed the point so I’ll enlighten you. The McCanns haven’t spent a single penny of their own money looking for her, AND they never physically looked for her either, but they have spent thousands and thousands of pounds, of other peoples money, on trips, top lawyers including an expert in Extradition, and mortgage payments, petty cash, which we wouldn’t earn the likes of in a several months, they never offered to sell their house or dig into their own pockets. They took money off people, some suffering their own financial hardship. THAT money was taken from them, to help the search for their daughter, I’d like to bet that, had they known what it was being used for, they’d have kept their wallets and purses shut, and turned on another bar of the electric fire. I also, thought it strange that they didn’t crack under the burden of knowing their daughter was, according to them, abducted by paedophiles, imagine your daughter with paedophiles, go on, imagine it. I would have cracked there and then, I wouldn’t be able to stand up, never mind going on nice walks, jogging, or playing tennis, and looking as though they were on a Sunday stroll. Now YOU read the TRUTH, but you won’t, will you, because you’re not really interested are you? You just came on here to bang a big drum about ‘The Book’.
    Hey, and be sure to give the McCanns my regards!!

  44. 44
    Jacob Collins Says:

    I have read the TRUTH and they have to regain some sense of normality for Sean and Amelie’s sake imagine how you would feel if you never recovered from this tragedy and how it would affect your children you would want to make sure that they had a happy life, the media twists the truth, you wouldn’t be able to live the rest of your life in the dark now would you? I am not just ‘here to bang a big drum about “The Book”‘ as you say but I am here to show my support for the McCanns to show them that there are people out there who do still support them and can see all these lies are ludicrous…..

  45. 45
    I Don't Believe It Says:

    In the recent RTE interview Gerry is still scratching his nose, pulling his ear and so on at key moments, although he has improved in controlling such movements. When he makes points alluding to the lack of evidence, he invariably smirks.

  46. 46
    Liz Y Says:

    Oh ‘Mr. Collins’, what a coincidence, ludicrous hmmm……I have surely heard that word before, ah yes, Clarence Mitchell’s very favourite word. Tell me ‘Mr. Collins’, why have you waited this long to complain on behalf of your friends? People don’t usually attack an opinion per se, they usually answer the points they don’t like, sometimes vigourously that I don’t like, but can understand. They often say the McCanns were very wrong in leaving 3 babies in a hotel bedroom, and then go on to say that the McCanns will have to live with that and that’s their punishment poor things. You don’t do that, you don’t even touch on that subject, you don’t touch on anything really. It’s as if you’re family or friend, blindly following the said storyline. You say you’re not banging a big drum about the book, then why are you here now, have you waited all this time till the book was published? Have you waited 4 years to have an opinion? Not been the tiniest bit curious in the other side of the coin. If not, your opinion is worthless, but I don’t think that for one minute, like I said Jacob, give the McCanns my regards!!

  47. 47
    Liz Y Says:

    Jacob, Have you read ‘The Faked Abduction’ if so, where did you get it? I want a copy myself but it’s hard to get hold of one, since our freedom of speech has been banned

    Site Admin: Faked Abduction is back on sale again –> http://fakedabduction.com/

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    I Don't Believe It Says:

    There are so many odd, inexplicable and contradictory acts and statements of the McCanns and their friends that you could fill a hundred pages just describing them. Here’s a selection:

    1. Kate McCann now claims it never entered her head that there could be any risk to leaving her children alone. And yet one of her friends claimed that the same evening of the abduction Kate had spoken of her uneasiness about leaving her children alone. And these are doctors, people who will have trained in A&E and seen the many and various accidents that befall young children left unattended.

    2. The McCanns have publicised the results of their detectives’ work claiming that Madeleine was being held close to the resort. This was stated quite definitely. But they now say they have no idea where she could be.

    3. The McCanns never refer to their child being a ward of court, although we know from open court proceedings that she was made a ward of court after the abduction.

    4. The McCanns pose as people not being helped by officialdom and yet we know a court order was made requiring every official agency in the land to help them – even while they were criminal suspects in Portugal. We know this because Leics Police resisted their attempt to get hold of police files on that back of that court order.

    5. The McCanns have never published detailed accounts of their Fund, which is not a charity. They publish only the bare minimum.

    6. Their spokesman claimed none of the McCanns or their friends had either mobile phones or watches with them at the dining table on the night of the alleged abduction. He never admitted to telling an untruth, but it seems a completely incredible statement to make.

    7. They seem to lurch from one strategy to another. One moment it is all about drawings of suspects. Another time it is all about alleged sightings. Then it’s touring European capitals…working with the FBI…trying to get an early warning missing child system in place… Then it’s the book. One moment Kate is going to devote her time to working with children’s charities, then we hear nothing more about that. One moment they are intensely religious, the next they seem to have entirely forgotten their deep religious beliefs.

    I am absolutely sickened by the supine nature of our UK media, their refusal to question or investigate.

    The very fact that no UK writer seems to have the courage to write about the story says a hell of a lot I think, since it is such a big story you would expect several books to have been written.

    I think one has to say that the McCanns are geniuses of spin and evasion. Gerry could well have been a politician I think – he has that instinctive ability to present the required version of events and to harness the advice of others. They have been so clever. You will notice as just one example that whilst they always express regret about what happened they never admit to doing anything wrong at all. Gullible people misread their statements (as intended) and think they do admit to a mistake but they don’t. Then they appeal to different groups in different ways. Sometimes there is the religious pose. But other times they emphasise how they are the victims of conspiracy nutters, and pitch for the support of rationalists. They have worked the various political and cultural networks incredibly well. But they have also used the brute force of the law to stunning effect with court orders, libel claims and so on.

  49. 49
    Jacob Collins Says:

    Liz, I have only just found this site and have found it despicable to beleive that there are still people out there saying that the McCanns and their friends are hiding something. I admit, when Madeleine first went missing, I thought the McCann’s had killed their child but now I know better after reading more on their story. I don’t know the McCanns. But I can see that they are innocent of any crime, hey I’ve just written to them maybe I shall inform them of this site as well.

  50. 50
    Liz Y Says:

    Jacob, Once again, you give no defence for the facts I raised, I realize with you there is no point in discussion. You are either totally blinkered or thick. Personally I think it’s the latter, and there’s no point in making threats, because for every one of you, there are thousands and thousands of us who have searched for the truth, for Madeleine, we’ve read through court documents, Tapas interviews etc etc and many other things too numerous to mention here, not just read a bloody book full of unsubstantiated bullshit. They, and certainly not you, can’t silence all of us. We’ll keep coming back, and we will have our day, of that I’m sure. Oh, and by the way, don’t you think it’s a little immature to think the McCanns and their cronies don’t know about this site? I don’t know why they are so worried, unless, of course, they are lying.
    Now Jacob, I am not going to waste any more of my time in conversing with you, because you’re becoming a bit of a bore.
    PS. I hope you remembered to include a donation with your letter, because you know, they’ll look for the cheque or cash, and, whether it’s included or not, your precious letter will end up unread and in the shredder. You have a nice weekend!

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